He SEALS the deal

[theaardvark]

For all those waiting for Damian Jackson to record a stat, there ya go.  He has a perfect reception record now.

More than that, he was playing Iron Man football in all three facets. 

He took snaps a DE and wasn't lights out, but occupied one or two linemen.

He was on teams, running up and down the field.

He was in at FB, blocking and catching a pass.

I'm not sure how much the SHOULD have used him in the 4th quarter, its nice to get subs in in garbage time, but he was playing almost every down for a bit.  Watching him on the sidelines on the rare plays off, and even between plays on the field, he looked gassed.  Completely gassed.  And yet he stood forth and said "Yes Sir, may I have another!"

Call it a man crush, or call it astute coaching, but Jackson deserves a spot on this team.  I was waiting for him to "Rudy" on one of the last plays and break through and sack Alexander...

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

For all those waiting for Damian Jackson to record a stat, there ya go.  He has a perfect reception record now.

More than that, he was playing Iron Man football in all three facets. 

He took snaps a DE and wasn't lights out, but occupied one or two linemen.

He was on teams, running up and down the field.

He was in at FB, blocking and catching a pass.

I'm not sure how much the SHOULD have used him in the 4th quarter, its nice to get subs in in garbage time, but he was playing almost every down for a bit.  Watching him on the sidelines on the rare plays off, and even between plays on the field, he looked gassed.  Completely gassed.  And yet he stood forth and said "Yes Sir, may I have another!"

Call it a man crush, or call it astute coaching, but Jackson deserves a spot on this team.  I was waiting for him to "Rudy" on one of the last plays and break through and sack Alexander...

I hope Jackson is content sitting on the PR list waiting for opportunities, I can't see them holding a roster spot for him as they already have a backlog of good players coming off the I.R. with more to come.  Clements, Lawrence, Parker, Miller Hansen, Haba....there simply isn't enough roster space to keep a jack of all trades master of none playing.

[Blue In BC]

Is he a DE playing FB or a FB playing DE?  The only issue with keeping " Rudy " on the roster is ratio implications. I'd still be curious to know how many reps he gets in each facet. I don't think he's had many reps on defence prior to last night's garbage time. Cole, Bennett, Maruo and Briggs were getting those in the past. Now that Gauthier is back he'll get some of those as well.

I only noticed him in the 2nd half once we had a big lead and our offence went to more running plays.

[theaardvark]

Jackson, no doubt, will do whatever he is told, he's said that on many occasions.

Most of our non starters rarely play except on teams.  Most of them back up at one or two positions.

Jackson is tasked at FB and backup DE and LS.  3 very divergent positions, one of which (LS) is Very Specialized. 

He has had, what, 8 professional games of experience to date? 

There might be more to him yet, and I am anxious to see what develops.

[blue_or_die]

Im sorry aards, but is this thread a joke?

I appreciate Jackson?s effort and ?heart?, but I expect players to do as they?re told. I don?t think some reps in a blowout justify the questionable rostering over the last several weeks. No offence to Jackson, but this seems like an overreaction.

[LXTSN]

Yeah it's cool having a seal on the roster, and I find myself rooting for him when he's on the field.
However, it does feel like a waste of a roster spot.
He's a good lead blocker, but that's really his only CFL level skill. I'd say he's well below average at everything else that he's been asked to do.
Again... Great story! I'm always cheering for him! I just think we really would be better off with Parker on the roster to play special teams and backup DB.

[DM83]

He?s a great guy.
But I have met hundreds of CIS who had  one better skill. Faster, tackler, blocker.
I have never met a Canadian, who was a better SEAL.

[GOLDMEMBER]

Im sorry aards, but is this thread a joke?

I appreciate Jackson?s effort and ?heart?, but I expect players to do as they?re told. I don?t think some reps in a blowout justify the questionable rostering over the last several weeks. No offence to Jackson, but this seems like an overreaction.

It is. Classic Ards.

[The Zipp]

Yeah it's cool having a seal on the roster, and I find myself rooting for him when he's on the field.
However, it does feel like a waste of a roster spot.
He's a good lead blocker, but that's really his only CFL level skill. I'd say he's well below average at everything else that he's been asked to do.
Again... Great story! I'm always cheering for him! I just think we really would be better off with Parker on the roster to play special teams and backup DB.

Good summary of likely the thoughts of most of us

[dd]

I can honestly say I don?t know who you are talking and couldn?t give a rip if he?s a Rudy, this isn?t little league  in professional sports you can either play the game or you can?t, there?s no room for sentiment and feeling sorry for the guy because he tries hard. Everybody tries hard. Brutal thread.

[Pete]

the only rationalle I can see for Jackson being on the roster for every game is that O'Shea is making a statement..see if you put in the effort every day you will be rewarded

[TecnoGenius]

Holy smokes!  You guys attacking Aards for stating what MOS is clearly thinking??  The proof is in the pudding and Jackson remains on the field despite the Sayers Of Nay for how many weeks now?  Bash his contribution all you want, as it is sometimes questionable, but you can't say MOS et al aren't valuing him highly enough to leave some decent other guys off the roster!

To me he feels like an IMP version of Miller.  He's even taking passes now!  Maybe get a run play next time too!  He doesn't really get the ST stats, as he's part of the last wave.  But they put him out there nonetheless.  MOS and coordinators aren't dumb: they're doing it for a reason.

If Grant comes off IR I bet it's McCrae who gets benched, not Jackson!!  Maybe even Haba, too!  Maybe.

[TecnoGenius]

Watching him on the sidelines on the rare plays off, and even between plays on the field, he looked gassed.  Completely gassed.

Ya, I noticed that shot too.  I thought he was going to upchuck!  That might be an age thing, he might not be able to keep up with all the reps on so many phases at his age.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Holy smokes!  You guys attacking Aards for stating what MOS is clearly thinking??  The proof is in the pudding and Jackson remains on the field despite the Sayers Of Nay for how many weeks now?  Bash his contribution all you want, as it is sometimes questionable, but you can't say MOS et al aren't valuing him highly enough to leave some decent other guys off the roster!

To me he feels like an IMP version of Miller.  He's even taking passes now!  Maybe get a run play next time too!  He doesn't really get the ST stats, as he's part of the last wave.  But they put him out there nonetheless.  MOS and coordinators aren't dumb: they're doing it for a reason.

If Grant comes off IR I bet it's McCrae who gets benched, not Jackson!!  Maybe even Haba, too!  Maybe.

Agree. Not sure about what will happen when Grant comes back but he will be hard to take out. He provides excellent value for one roster spot. He's good on the teams. He's a good lead blocker as a fullback. His defensive end rushes were straight bullrush but it's still helpful in a rotation. He's also the backup long snapper which, in a close, important game is important even though it's unlikely he'll be needed there. If he was Canadian he could have had a 15 year CFL career.

[blue_or_die]

Holy smokes!  You guys attacking Aards for stating what MOS is clearly thinking??  The proof is in the pudding and Jackson remains on the field despite the Sayers Of Nay for how many weeks now?  Bash his contribution all you want, as it is sometimes questionable, but you can't say MOS et al aren't valuing him highly enough to leave some decent other guys off the roster!

To me he feels like an IMP version of Miller.  He's even taking passes now!  Maybe get a run play next time too!  He doesn't really get the ST stats, as he's part of the last wave.  But they put him out there nonetheless.  MOS and coordinators aren't dumb: they're doing it for a reason.

If Grant comes off IR I bet it's McCrae who gets benched, not Jackson!!  Maybe even Haba, too!  Maybe.

If this guy is contributing, that?s all fine and good, but acting like he?s the next coming because rostered guy plays football is the pendulum swinging the opposite way entirely. Let?s keep our crushes in check here and base them on play rather than pure intangibles.

[Blue In BC]

Holy smokes!  You guys attacking Aards for stating what MOS is clearly thinking??  The proof is in the pudding and Jackson remains on the field despite the Sayers Of Nay for how many weeks now?  Bash his contribution all you want, as it is sometimes questionable, but you can't say MOS et al aren't valuing him highly enough to leave some decent other guys off the roster!

To me he feels like an IMP version of Miller.  He's even taking passes now!  Maybe get a run play next time too!  He doesn't really get the ST stats, as he's part of the last wave.  But they put him out there nonetheless.  MOS and coordinators aren't dumb: they're doing it for a reason.

If Grant comes off IR I bet it's McCrae who gets benched, not Jackson!!  Maybe even Haba, too!  Maybe.

I doubt McCrae comes off the roster when Grant returns. At least not as a direct choice between him or Jackson.  McCrae gets used a few times on offence and adds a different problem for defences. McCrae has 30 touches on offence for 255 yards.

If Jackson was a Canadian it wouldn't be an issue.

[pjrocksmb]

Jackson is a contributing member of this club and I have no idea why there are folks against him being on the roster but of course they are entitled to setiment.

I prefer him over Parker slightly, currently.

Tough decisions coming up as we get healthy but the fact is that he can do three jobs.  Long snap, DL and FB.

McRae over Jackson imo.

The poster who called this thread brutal is wrong imo.
Thanks for creating this Ards and to all that have chimed in.  Good debate here.

[Blue In BC]

Jackson is a contributing member of this club and I have no idea why there are folks against him being on the roster.

I prefer him over Parker slightly, currently.

Tough decisions coming up as we get healthy but the fact is that he can do three jobs.  Long snap, DL and FB.

McRae over Jackson imo.

The poster who called this thread brutal is wrong.  This is a good discussion and he didn't even know who we are talking about.

It's simple. He's taking a spot as a DI mostly likely at the expense of one on the DL instead. Sure our DL is playing very well but what happens if there is an injury or the game is clsoer and fresh players are needed?

The Argo game is an example of trying to balance the roster depth across the chart. They choose 8 DL instead of having an extra DB. Once they had an injury in the secondary, Calgary started moving the ball more.

It's a risk analysis issue.

In the case of the Bombers what happens if Jefferson, Jeffcoat or Walker have an in game injury? Do we really feel comfortable with Cole or Bennett taking most reps?  Obviously Haba is injured so we don't currently have him as a choice.

Using another example might be Lemon. I don't know if we tried to sign him or whether he was too high a hit to the SMS. However, would you prefer him as a DI over Jackson? Whether there is or will be an injury, another DL shares the load in keeping everyone fresh.

We won TOP with 36 minutes against the Als so if you can do that, it's not as necessary. We didn't have any injuries.


Conversely we lost TOP against the Redblacks and the DL was gassed in the 4th Q.

[pjrocksmb]

It's simple. He's taking a spot as a DI mostly likely at the expense of one on the DL instead. Sure our DL is playing very well but what happens if there is an injury or the game is clsoer and fresh players are needed?

The Argo game is an example of trying to balance the roster depth across the chart. They choose 8 DL instead of having an extra DB. Once they had an injury in the secondary, Calgary started moving the ball more.

It's a risk analysis issue.

In the case of the Bombers what happens if Jefferson, Jeffcoat or Walker have an in game injury? Do we really feel comfortable with Cole or Bennett taking most reps?  Obviously Haba is injured so we don't currently have him as a choice.

Using another example might be Lemon. I don't know if we tried to sign him or whether he was too high a hit to the SMS. However, would you prefer him as a DI over Jackson? Whether there is or will be an injury, another DL shares the load in keeping everyone fresh.

We won TOP with 36 minutes against the Als so if you can do that, it's not as necessary. We didn't have any injuries.


Conversely we lost TOP against the Redblacks and the DL was gassed in the 4th Q.

These roster decisions always have a big impact.  Yes having an extra DB has its benefits but Jackson's blocking does as well.  A key injury at DL is a risk but we could rotate and be ok.  Two injuries at DL would hurt us.

I wasn't for signing Lemon.  Keeping the DL fresh important but generally we have been doing a good job at that.

Will be interesting how this plays out going forward.  Some interesting points here.

[Blue In BC]

These roster decisions always have a big impact.  Yes having an extra DB has its benefits but Jackson's blocking does as well.  A key injury at DL is a risk but we could rotate and be ok.  Two injuries at DL would hurt us.

I wasn't for signing Lemon.  Keeping the DL fresh important but generally we have been doing a good job at that.

Will be interesting how this plays out going forward.  Some interesting points here.

Every game is different and the timing of any injury is a factor. It's not a factor that can be pre-determined.  Lemon was just an example but answer the same question about Haba when he's healthy. Keeping in mind is that we only have 3 DI spots to consider due to having an import kicker.  Would you honestly not take Lemon on the roster over Jackson if we had that choice? Lemon is a force and very disruptive DL.

When Grant returns we'll only have 2 other DI spots to consider. Cole has been good and better than Jackson on ST's and gets more reps on the DL.

On ST's we added Exume and then Gauthier this week. I'm not sure who we removed from that role, but we have lots of players that could play ST's. We might even get Ford back who I would think would take on that role. Mike Miller? Is he coming back in 2023?

Jackson hasn't seemed to make an impact on ST's so I think he could replaced in that role easily.

I'd like to know how many times Jackson lines up on offence. I generally only start to notice him in the 4th Q when we have a big lead and a run focused. That's not a bad thing but it was Miller's role.  I don't think it's very probable that Jackson will be used as an offensive threat. That only happened when we were up by 30 points. It was a throw away play.

Honestly I may have seen a couple of times in his blocking role where he might have made an impact. More often than not we see an extra OL blocking than Jackson. He has 9 DT's and 9 ST's. Jackson has zero.

I appreciate the back story and if he was Canadian it would be good whether we list him as a FB or a DE, it's the question of what are the other options.

[pjrocksmb]

He plays a lot on jumbo.  Can't comment on his effectiveness but must be decent.

Haba over Jackson if that's the direct swap.

Wasn't for bringing in Lemon full stop.

[Blue In BC]

He plays a lot on jumbo.  Can't comment on his effectiveness but must be decent.

Haba over Jackson if that's the direct swap.

Wasn't for bringing in Lemon full stop.

Can you or someone come up with how many times he does that in a game?

[pjrocksmb]

Can you or someone come up with how many times he does that in a game?

I can't now but I'll start a count next game.  Some pvr or rewatch and they might.  I would say 5 to 10 min, guess lol.

[3rdand1.5]

He is incredibly versatile....whether that is enough once we guys healthy and back is yet to be determined....But IF he can contribute at,at least a Bennet level on the D-line then I am all for keeping him on.

[Blue In BC]

He is incredibly versatile....whether that is enough once we guys healthy and back is yet to be determined....But IF he can contribute at,at least a Bennet level on the D-line then I am all for keeping him on.

Bennett has 6 DT's and 2 ST's and he's a Canadian. Jackosn hasn't recorded a stat. So at the moment he he's not as effective as Bennett.

[pjrocksmb]

Bennett has 6 DT's and 2 ST's and he's a Canadian. Jackosn hasn't recorded a stat. So at the moment he he's not as effective as Bennett.

He is contributing in other ways though

I would put Bennett's value slightly more than Jackson.  Being Canadian with upside means these reps for him now will pay off.

Depending when Miller comes back or if he gets nicked again, these reps are also very good for Jackson as when the weather turns the jumbo for both protection and run packages could seal a victory for us.

[RebusRankin]

If Jackson was Canadian, nobody would be complaining but he's not. I suspect when Habba gets healthy, we seem him replace Jackson. Jackson doesn't take that many reps blocking on offense in most games. Generally its a handful (under 10). We use Dobson as a 6th blocker much more frequently and I suspect Eli gets more reps for jumbo too.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

At the end of the year I'll bet Jackson is sitting on the PR, Haba, Parker and whichever other young prospect they want to return next year will not.  Doubt any other team will be interested in "Project Multi-tasker" enough to grab him, so O'Shea will probably invite him back to TC again next season.

[TecnoGenius]

At the end of the year I'll bet Jackson is sitting on the PR, Haba, Parker and whichever other young prospect they want to return next year will not.  Doubt any other team will be interested in "Project Multi-tasker" enough to grab him, so O'Shea will probably invite him back to TC again next season.

I think McCrae, as the moment is just placeholding for Grant.  Grant back, McCrae off.  No dig against McCrae, just roster requirements at the moment.

And Jackson is just placeholding for Miller.  Miller back, Jackson off.  So we'd regain Haba or Parker or whoever as a side effect of the freed up DI, but not the main reason.

The longer Miller is gone, the longer Jackson will stay in.  It doesn't matter if depth at DL in non-existent when Jackson can fill in and stuff a hole.  We clearly want a FB, and Jackson is the only one.

Thus TLB is almost certainly correct, should the team get healthier and not have any new injuries at said positions.

I'd bet a premium-level munchie at a IGF or BC Place on the above! 

And I'm pretty sure we're the only team rostering an IMP at FB?  For many years too.  Right?

[Blue In BC]

I think McCrae, as the moment is just placeholding for Grant.  Grant back, McCrae off.  No dig against McCrae, just roster requirements at the moment.

And Jackson is just placeholding for Miller.  Miller back, Jackson off.  So we'd regain Haba or Parker or whoever as a side effect of the freed up DI, but not the main reason.

The longer Miller is gone, the longer Jackson will stay in.  It doesn't matter if depth at DL in non-existent when Jackson can fill in and stuff a hole.  We clearly want a FB, and Jackson is the only one.

Thus TLB is almost certainly correct, should the team get healthier and not have any new injuries at said positions.

I'd bet a premium-level munchie at a IGF or BC Place on the above! 

And I'm pretty sure we're the only team rostering an IMP at FB?  For many years too.  Right?

McCrae is still a good player to use on offence. If Oliveria gets nicked in game he might end up starting before Augustine. That would force a ratio change on offence but that's what I think would happen. He can sub in for a receiver as well and be effective because of his speed.

[pjrocksmb]

McCrae is still a good player to use on offence. If Oliveria gets nicked in game he might end up starting before Augustine. That would force a ratio change on offence but that's what I think would happen. He can sub in for a receiver as well and be effective because of his speed.

I would play Augustine ahead of McCrae at RB.

[3rdand1.5]

Bennett has 6 DT's and 2 ST's and he's a Canadian. Jackosn hasn't recorded a stat. So at the moment he he's not as effective as Bennett.

True...but this was the first game I saw him get D-line reps...It took Bennet weeks to get a stat other than a penalty.

Yes Bennet is CDN and has a possible bright future but today if he can contribute occasionally on the D-line to the level of Bennet it gives us roster flexibility to have him play multiple positions and not have to roster an extra D-lineman in the rotation .

The real question is....can he contribute at at least a Bennet level.....

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I would play Augustine ahead of McCrae at RB.

I agree, time for O'Shea to give Johnny a fair shake, he's been more than patient waiting for his opportunity to play and has played well when given the chance to contribute.

[Blue In BC]

True...but this was the first game I saw him get D-line reps...It took Bennet weeks to get a stat other than a penalty.

Yes Bennet is CDN and has a possible bright future but today if he can contribute occasionally on the D-line to the level of Bennet it gives us roster flexibility to have him play multiple positions and not have to roster an extra D-lineman in the rotation .

The real question is....can he contribute at at least a Bennet level.....

Bennett has had 1 DT in each of the last 6 games.  He's not yet a force so it's a small sample. However he does seem to be progressing. A Canadian that can contribute on the DL would be an asset if he continues to get reps. If we're in games where we're in firm control then he'll get those reps.

[Blue In BC]

I agree, time for O'Shea to give Johnny a fair shake, he's been more than patient waiting for his opportunity to play and has played well when given the chance to contribute.

I can't totally disagree. It's strange that Augustine doesn't get a few reps on offence. That said, McCrae is getting a few reps and is productive in meaningful time. He's at a disadvantage ratio wise but that's a fact.

In the past Augustine has had some big plays as a RB and receiver. IMO he's a little more elusive and faster than Oliveria but perhaps it's a blocking issue?
OTOH, Augustine does seem to be capable when he does get those reps.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

I can't totally disagree. It's strange that Augustine doesn't get a few reps on offence. That said, McCrae is getting a few reps and is productive in meaningful time. He's at a disadvantage ratio wise but that's a fact.

In the past Augustine has had some big plays as a RB and receiver. IMO he's a little more elusive and faster than Oliveria but perhaps it's a blocking issue?
OTOH, Augustine does seem to be capable when he does get those reps.

It's mostly because a stiff breeze usually tackles Augustine. Great athlete, just not physical enough to be more than a change up at running back.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

It's mostly because a stiff breeze usually tackles Augustine. Great athlete, just not physical enough to be more than a change up at running back.

Disagree, he's smaller than Olie but much quicker, so he's not a direct substitute for the hard running, like McCrae he needs space to succeed.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Disagree, he's smaller than Olie but much quicker, so he's not a direct substitute for the hard running, like McCrae he needs space to succeed.

Yes. That's why he's not used more.

[dd]

I just don?t get the whole Johnny Augustine situation. The guy is faster and more athletic than Brady yet we let him rot away on the sideline. I just don?t get it. Brady has been awesome and is an extremely physical back but why not spell in JA and  give Brady a rest and his body a rest so he can be more productive in the long run and JA s in the groove with the offense in the event of injury to BO?? It would be the smart thing to do, oh there I just answered my own question !!

[theaardvark]

Augustine does yeoman's work on teams, and is a ratio pinch sub for BO20.  He will be on the roster ahead of McCrae, IMHO.

Jackson does back up at a lot of positions, which when you have a limited number of DA's is important.  A backup is never supposed to play every down, so having a guy at 80% of 3 spots vs. a guy that is 85% of 1 spot, I know who I'm dressing.  

Haba vs. Jackson, that's not really the trade off.  When Haba becomes healthy, he dresses as part of rotation, not as a "backup".  We should dress 7 DL when possible.

If Jackson had a different passport, he's on this roster for as long as he wants.  That's a given.

As a American, he's in that gray area, and there are usually Nats that can backup at LS, FB and DE, so it is harder to dress an American for that purpose.  But, we really don't have a backup LS or DE, so he gives something we don't otherwise have, in one roster spot.    

[theaardvark]

Disagree, he's smaller than Olie but much quicker, so he's not a direct substitute for the hard running, like McCrae he needs space to succeed.

If he was functionally equivalent to BO20, he'd be on another roster probably.

He is different, but right now, BO20 is tearing up the league.  So, lets sit him and put an inferior player in for him.  Said no coach ever.

On the other hand, if teams figure out how to scheme to stop BO20 and we need a different look, JA27 is there to come in.  He no doubt has a package in Buck's playbook that they can roll out on a moments notice id BO20 gets injured, or is not being effective.

[bunker]

Its great that Jackson can be a back-up long snapper, but that's pretty low on my priority list for a DA. When''s the last time our long snapper was injured in a game? And how did we survive for several years before Jackson arrived on the scene to save the day. I think that aspect of his value is nice to have, but pretty minor in the grand scheme of things. Cole plays on teams where he's more impactful than Jackson, and can also back up at LB. And Canadian fullbacks are a dime a dozen. If he's not off the active roster once Grant, Haba and Miller are back, then I don't know what to say.

[Blue In BC]

Augustine does yeoman's work on teams, and is a ratio pinch sub for BO20.  He will be on the roster ahead of McCrae, IMHO.

Jackson does back up at a lot of positions, which when you have a limited number of DA's is important.  A backup is never supposed to play every down, so having a guy at 80% of 3 spots vs. a guy that is 85% of 1 spot, I know who I'm dressing.  

Haba vs. Jackson, that's not really the trade off.  When Haba becomes healthy, he dresses as part of rotation, not as a "backup".  We should dress 7 DL when possible.

If Jackson had a different passport, he's on this roster for as long as he wants.  That's a given.

As a American, he's in that gray area, and there are usually Nats that can backup at LS, FB and DE, so it is harder to dress an American for that purpose.  But, we really don't have a backup LS or DE, so he gives something we don't otherwise have, in one roster spot.    

I could back up a bunch of positions on the roster. It doesn't mean I'd be any good at any of them.

[Blue In BC]

It's mostly because a stiff breeze usually tackles Augustine. Great athlete, just not physical enough to be more than a change up at running back.

That's true but there have been more opportunities to give him some reps then he's seen. It gives Oliveria a breather and protects him from injury. If in fact he's the next man up, he needs a few reps in games we have under control. Bailey, McCrae and Demski get reps but those are in very meaningful game time. When the game is no longer on the line, I'd like to see Augustine in the game.

The downside is that when he does come in for those instances, the defence already knows we're running to run down the clock. Catch 22 for him and he often gets nailed in the backfield.

[theaardvark]

I could back up a bunch of positions on the roster. It doesn't mean I'd be any good at any of them.

But is Jackson better than you backing up at those spots? 

Hence my comments about "Is 80% at three spots better than 85% at one?"

[pjrocksmb]

But is Jackson better than you backing up at those spots? 

Hence my comments about "Is 80% at three spots better than 85% at one?"

The I could backup comment is a little much.  Your math checks out imo. 

[Blue In BC]

But is Jackson better than you backing up at those spots? 

Hence my comments about "Is 80% at three spots better than 85% at one?"

Well I'm 74 so sure he'd be better. When I was 30 I'd say possibly not. My point is that where is he actually effective or even most effective?  I'm open to someone showing a few clips from games.



     
 

 


For the sake of responding to PJ: I played in the touch league in Vancouver for 15 - 20 years. Maybe 100 games. In that time I played against current and future CFL players. I also played against 1 NFL 6 year veteran receiver.

Jim Young, Mike Strickland ( RB ), Mike Strickand ( MLB ), Pete Ohler QB ( caught a pass from him ), Walt Passaglia, receiver, Mark McDonald, Lorne Richardson.  A couple of those guys are in the Hall of Fame.


In 1990 ( IIRC the right year ) I played on a team with Vince Danielson ( all star SB ) and Shawn Graham ( Bomber and Lions in early 1990's ). Another player on that team was the DC for Vancouver Tech.

In the winter probably played 100 games ( nearly every Sunday ). Full contact, no equipment. Played several games against Dan Huckluck who was still playing FB for the Lions. And yes, I did tackle him several times and have the cleat marks to prove it. 

A funny bit, sort of playing against Dan Huckluck. I hit one of their receivers on the sideline so hard ( didn't mean to hit him that hard ) but he went to the hospital. Their team went home. Playing with no equipment can be painful.

So, I have caught a pass from a QB that threw a TD in a Grey Cup and I have tackled a CFL FB and I've had to cover Jim Young and other CFL receivers.



Does he knock down blockers on coverage or returns? He hasn't recorded an actual stat. He's not in the 1st wave and seems to get washed out quickly.

On defence his reps are in garbage time. As the other site mentioned, he's not quick off the ball and is a flat footed bull rusher with little success. No stats recorded.

He does get a few reps on offence as a blocker but I've only noticed him a significant block once. One reception for 1 yard in garbage time.

So I'm in the show something he can hang his hat on. For those that go to games perhaps more can be seen than on TV. On TV you can't always see what each player is doing or even when he goes on the field.

I've asked a few times: How many reps is he getting in any category. That might be useful along with some video " highlights ".

[RebusRankin]

Augustine does yeoman's work on teams, and is a ratio pinch sub for BO20.  He will be on the roster ahead of McCrae, IMHO.

Jackson does back up at a lot of positions, which when you have a limited number of DA's is important.  A backup is never supposed to play every down, so having a guy at 80% of 3 spots vs. a guy that is 85% of 1 spot, I know who I'm dressing.  

Haba vs. Jackson, that's not really the trade off.  When Haba becomes healthy, he dresses as part of rotation, not as a "backup".  We should dress 7 DL when possible.

If Jackson had a different passport, he's on this roster for as long as he wants.  That's a given.

As a American, he's in that gray area, and there are usually Nats that can backup at LS, FB and DE, so it is harder to dress an American for that purpose.  But, we really don't have a backup LS or DE, so he gives something we don't otherwise have, in one roster spot.    

Bennett is a back up DE. He takes regular rotational reps. He's recorded some tackles and we've seen some pressures.

[Blue In BC]

Bennett is a back up DE. He takes regular rotational reps. He's recorded some tackles and we've seen some pressures.

Bennett seems to be improving and he was our 1st choice in the draft @ # 8 this year.

[bunker]

Well I'm 74 so sure he'd be better. When I was 30 I'd say possibly not. My point is that where is he actually effective or even most effective?  I'm open to someone showing a few clips from games.



     
 

 


For the sake of responding to PJ: I played in the touch league in Vancouver for 15 - 20 years. Maybe 100 games. In that time I played against current and future CFL players. I also played against 1 NFL 6 year veteran receiver.

Jim Young, Mike Strickland ( RB ), Mike Strickand ( MLB ), Pete Ohler QB ( caught a pass from him ), Walt Passaglia, receiver, Mark McDonald, Lorne Richardson.  A couple of those guys are in the Hall of Fame.


In 1990 ( IIRC the right year ) I played on a team with Vince Danielson ( all star SB ) and Shawn Graham ( Bomber and Lions in early 1990's ). Another player on that team was the DC for Vancouver Tech.

In the winter probably played 100 games ( nearly every Sunday ). Full contact, no equipment. Played several games against Dan Huckluck who was still playing FB for the Lions. And yes, I did tackle him several times and have the cleat marks to prove it. 

A funny bit, sort of playing against Dan Huckluck. I hit one of their receivers on the sideline so hard ( didn't mean to hit him that hard ) but he went to the hospital. Their team went home. Playing with no equipment can be painful.

So, I have caught a pass from a QB that threw a TD in a Grey Cup and I have tackled a CFL FB and I've had to cover Jim Young and other CFL receivers.



Does he knock down blockers on coverage or returns? He hasn't recorded an actual stat. He's not in the 1st wave and seems to get washed out quickly.

On defence his reps are in garbage time. As the other site mentioned, he's not quick off the ball and is a flat footed bull rusher with little success. No stats recorded.

He does get a few reps on offence as a blocker but I've only noticed him a significant block once. One reception for 1 yard in garbage time.

So I'm in the show something he can hang his hat on. For those that go to games perhaps more can be seen than on TV. On TV you can't always see what each player is doing or even when he goes on the field.

I've asked a few times: How many reps is he getting in any category. That might be useful along with some video " highlights ".

I rewatched one game focusing on Jackson only. It was pretty tedious and I won't be doing it again. Based on that one game, his blocking seemed decent, his play on special teams nothing special. Beyond that, I think its almost impossible to objectively grade him, because you'd have to watch every one of his plays, and know what his assignment is.

But they clearly have some offensive sets where a blocker/FB sets up one yard behind the line of scrimmage, outside the tackle, usually the left tackle. These are often jumbo sets where an additional O-line man is also in, positioned outside the left tackle. So Buck has clearly diagrammed some plays that require a FB in the blocking scheme, and as long as we run these sets as a main part of our offence (even if its for only 5-7 plays a game), it looks like a FB will be on the roster, and until/if Miller is back, it looks like that's going to be Jackson.

[Blue In BC]

Haba, Hansen and Garbutt are nearly identical size to Jackson. IIRC Jackson is new to playing FB and FB is just a title anyway. If you're going to convert a DE to FB those other guys could learn that role as well.

Hansen in particular is fearless. Haba knows how to shed or sustain blocks and he's quick. The downside is Hansen and Haba are currently injured.

Who would currently be our back up FB?

[DM83]

Nice resume blue?.the good old days.

[pjrocksmb]

Haba, Hansen and Garbutt are nearly identical size to Jackson. IIRC Jackson is new to playing FB and FB is just a title anyway. If you're going to convert a DE to FB those other guys could learn that role as well.

Hansen in particular is fearless. Haba knows how to shed or sustain blocks and he's quick. The downside is Hansen and Haba are currently injured.

Who would currently be our back up FB?

Good question, no idea who is our 3rd string FB.  Wade Miller? Lol

Thanks bunker for putting that work in.   Does sound boring to do!  I won't be able to watch the next game so will be interesting to see how much we used him.

[Blue In BC]

Nice resume blue?.the good old days.

I've got the x-ray history to back that up. lol

I never weighed more than 160 lbs @ 5'11" in those days. We played tackle in the winter to keep warmer. But I used to limp all week after playing and then was ready to go the following Sunday.

Ironically I broke my right wrist in a Touch league practice. It was a week after separating the shoulder on the same side. I continued to practice and threw my right arm up to knock down a pass and then figured it was time to go get a cast.

[Blue In BC]

Good question, no idea who is our 3rd string FB.  Wade Miller? Lol

Thanks bunker for putting that work in.   Does sound boring to do!  I won't be able to watch the next game so will be interesting to see how much we used him.

PVR. 

[TecnoGenius]

Its great that Jackson can be a back-up long snapper, but that's pretty low on my priority list for a DA. When''s the last time our long snapper was injured in a game?

Rempel getting trucked and concussed, and ushered in the Rempel Rule that you can't truck the LS.  I think Thomas Miles was our backup LS and finished the game and subsequent weeks.

That's not that long ago.  I does pay to have at least 1 player that can at least half-bass LS duty in a pinch.

[TecnoGenius]

Well I'm 74 so sure he'd be better. When I was 30 I'd say possibly not. My point is that where is he actually effective or even most effective?  I'm open to someone showing a few clips from games.

In prior games he seemed to whiff blocks or block the wrong guy, often left blocking air.  The last game he seemed to be better at picking up his guy.  So I think he's improving and seeing things better.

[TecnoGenius]

So Buck has clearly diagrammed some plays that require a FB in the blocking scheme, and as long as we run these sets as a main part of our offence (even if its for only 5-7 plays a game), it looks like a FB will be on the roster, and until/if Miller is back, it looks like that's going to be Jackson.

Ya, he's like a 6th or 7th OL that can move around faster, so the D's don't quite know where he's going to attack.  He's also a great diversion, if teams want to focus on where Jackson is lead blocking, Buck can just send Brady the other way.

More importantly, we've now shown he's a sneak-out pass threat, so someone (SAM?) has to spy him.  I still want to see Eli catch a pass as TE... I'd love to see a play with both Eli and Jackson in (we have done that) and they spy Jackson but ignore Eli who goes 8 yards downfield and turns to catch a pass.

[TecnoGenius]

Who would currently be our back up FB?

Miller.  Or we play with no FB: didn't we do that most of the season already?  If Miller isn't back yet and Jackson gets injured then the FB is empty space.

[bunker]

Rempel getting trucked and concussed, and ushered in the Rempel Rule that you can't truck the LS.  I think Thomas Miles was our backup LS and finished the game and subsequent weeks.

That's not that long ago.  I does pay to have at least 1 player that can at least half-bass LS duty in a pinch.

Now to that you bring it up, I recall that one.  That's 4 years ago. We could go another 10 years without a long snapper injury now that the rule has been changed. I  think you need someone designated as doing it in a pinch, but I wouldn't dedicate a roster spot for something that's very unlikely to happen.

[Blue In BC]

Now to that you bring it up, I recall that one.  That's 4 years ago. We could go another 10 years without a long snapper injury now that the rule has been changed. I  think you need someone designated as doing it in a pinch, but I wouldn't dedicate a roster spot for something that's very unlikely to happen.

I'd guess we'd use one of the 2 extra OL for an in game injury situation. There must be someone that does reps in practice besides Benson and Jackson?

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

If he was functionally equivalent to BO20, he'd be on another roster probably.

He is different, but right now, BO20 is tearing up the league.  So, lets sit him and put an inferior player in for him.  Said no coach ever.

On the other hand, if teams figure out how to scheme to stop BO20 and we need a different look, JA27 is there to come in.  He no doubt has a package in Buck's playbook that they can roll out on a moments notice id BO20 gets injured, or is not being effective.

Just to be clear, I'm suggesting Augustine fills McCrae's role as an occasional offensive weapon, since McCrae is likely to be removed from the game-day with the return of Grant.  Not suggesting he replaces Brady running the ball except in garbage time, as he did last game.  Anyone assuming Johnny can't run and also receive needs to review the highlights of the 2021 LDC and Banjo Bowl in which he excelled in both games.

[theaardvark]

Bennett is a back up DE. He takes regular rotational reps. He's recorded some tackles and we've seen some pressures.

Bennett is not a "backup", he is part of the rotation.  A backup is someone who does not play unless there is an injury... 

[Jesse]

Bennett is not a "backup", he is part of the rotation.  A backup is someone who does not play unless there is an injury... 

That's a ridiculous thing to say. You're just making up definitions.

[GOLDMEMBER]

Just to be clear, I'm suggesting Augustine fills McCrae's role as an occasional offensive weapon, since McCrae is likely to be removed from the game-day with the return of Grant.  Not suggesting he replaces Brady running the ball except in garbage time, as he did last game.  Anyone assuming Johnny can't run and also receive needs to review the highlights of the 2021 LDC and Banjo Bowl in which he excelled in both games.

That was 2 years ago but I do not mind that move as well. Johnny gets little opportunity. He really is not a kick returner though. Could be a nightmare there in handling those kicks.

[DM83]

He?s a good player. I am guessing he is too small to be a regular everydown back?