We need a Pass rush !!

[blue_or_die]

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[TecnoGenius]

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Haha, blue goggles because we won.  Rewatch the game, especially the first half.  Maier on most plays had all day long.  That's why he was able to make all of those deep attempts, those were 4-5s pockets.  Whenever they wanted to go deep, they were able to go deep.  That's a pass rush problem.

Note: For me one of the main definitions of "bad pass rush" is how many times the QB gets >3s in the pocket, even when our guys are bringing 4 (or more) and trying like mad (instead of hanging back).

[TecnoGenius]

Jefferson is held to a higher standard I guess... leading the league in knockdowns and 2nd in sacks and he's "taking games off"...

It's a fact the he does this every season.  I've noticed this every season he's been here.  Ask any uber-Sask fan if Willie used to take "games off" there and they'll say ya.

The stats in the previous games have nothing to do with if he's taking this week off.  And saying this does not minimize what he does for us or say he's a bad player.  It seems like we go through this every year.  It is what it is and Willie is there for us in the big games when we really need him.  It's just his thing, every season, and we still win so I really don't care.  But I do take note of it, and that's ok.

Willie is absolutely held to a higher standard because he's billed as our #1 top D player, and I do believe he's our highest paid.  I wouldn't rip on Haba for doing the same things.

We have been spoiled having the Dline and DC we have, as well as the DB's we always seem to find (who then get recruited/bought away and replaced, like our DT's), and LB's led by Biggie here...  My Gosh, we have had an embarrassment of riches, and still people seem enabled to complain.

Agree on everything.  And if we want to improve we have to look critically at the last game and what we were bad at.  It is a total fact that our flaws in that game were 1) ST coverage, 2) zero O passing game, 3) minimal DL pressure.  I guess add 4) kick returns, but that's our backup guy not a big $$ starter like Willie.  If you disagree then you tell me what parts you think were bad and where it slots in.

When our D has an "off game" by our standards, and only play superhuman, the boo birds come out with a thread like "We need a pass rush".

No one's booing.  Just noticing what we saw on field.  I think we have the best DL in the league, and I've thought that all year.  Doesn't mean we can't notice an off game and all the deep pass attempts it enabled.

Maier was rushed just about every throw, and was picking turf pellets out of his teeth most passing plays.  If we didn't knock the ball down, it wobbled out.  He wasn't helped by his league leading ball droppers, but still, very few throws were made unmolested or unhurried.

Not what I saw, sorry.  Read the GDT while you rewatch and I and others were moaning about the pass rush every time they stunk, which was often.  But I guess I could be wrong as it's hard to gauge it really well live while paying attention to everything else.  It will require a rewatch, and I'll admit if I'm wrong; but I don't think so! 

[TecnoGenius]

Players wearing out is cumulative during the season. It's just another reason we need to add another DL to spell Jeffcoat and Jefferson.

This is an extremely good point and could actually explain everything, and make everyone here "happy".  It could explain Willie doing his "games off" thing every year.  You take so many beatings and go max-stamina so many weeks in a row, it is very tempting to take it easy for a game when everyone knows the opponent is weak.

It really might be a lack of rotation.  I can't recall a season where we had so little DE rotation!  We might be asking too much and if true, hopefully the DEs and DL coach are addressing this with MOS.  We certainly don't want our star DEs to be completely out of juice come post-season!!

[TecnoGenius]

Are you guys okay? The defense won us the football game. Willie Jefferson is having a career year. The pass rush is just fine.

The D did win us the game!  100%.  And I feel great!  Everything you say is true, except is wasn't "fine" in this one game, at least for half of it.  It was weak and ineffective for a ton of 2nd & long guaranteed-pass plays.  But it didn't matter in the end.

[TecnoGenius]

Willie had at least 2 massive knock downs. He was better in the second half. You under cutting his production. Watch the game again and let me know? Jeffcoat had to massive tackles, one for a loss, Fatboi had a sack. Lawson also has a massive tackle for a loss.

I have taken your word for it about the 2nd half, and will take your advice to rewatch and report back.  I value your take on it.  Everything us naysayers are saying here is based on initial live view -- initial impressions -- and thus might be missing the subtleties.  My main beef is almost no sacks, and Maier having all day way too often.

And like someone else said, a lot of this could be scheme, like prioritizing the run stop.  The DL (and LBers) did maybe their best run stop of the season.  It could be Hall was smiling and 100% happy with his pass rush because he didn't want any pass rush.  And if he's happy and this was the plan then I'm happy.  But I wouldn't bet money on that, because we always emphasize pass rush on 2nd&long.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Haha, blue goggles because we won.  Rewatch the game, especially the first half.  Maier on most plays had all day long.  That's why he was able to make all of those deep attempts, those were 4-5s pockets.  Whenever they wanted to go deep, they were able to go deep.  That's a pass rush problem.

Note: For me one of the main definitions of "bad pass rush" is how many times the QB gets >3s in the pocket, even when our guys are bringing 4 (or more) and trying like mad (instead of hanging back).

Maier finished 11 of 24 for 190 yards. 0 TDs 1 Int. He had less than 100 yards passing in the first half.

[TecnoGenius]

Maier finished 11 of 24 for 190 yards. 0 TDs 1 Int. He had less than 100 yards passing in the first half.

Still doesn't mean our pass rush was effective.  My guess is there was 100+ yards of dropped balls that were good passes by Maier.

Let's try another approach: when you were watching Maier have all day in the pocket on obvious passing downs (as well as 1st downs), did you get frustrated at how long he had, and how often it happened?

My rule of thumb is when the QB has time to light a cigarette and drink a 2-4 then our pass rush is failing. 

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Still doesn't mean our pass rush was effective.  My guess is there was 100+ yards of dropped balls that were good passes by Maier.

Let's try another approach: when you were watching Maier have all day in the pocket on obvious passing downs (as well as 1st downs), did you get frustrated at how long he had, and how often it happened?

My rule of thumb is when the QB has time to light a cigarette and drink a 2-4 then our pass rush is failing. 

If we are holding opposition quarterbacks to no touchdowns, less than 100 yards passing per half then maybe it doesn't really matter what you think of the pass rush? We weren't necessarily pinning our ears back but we weren't up 20 points either. The plan was likely to neutralize the run game, as it's the only thing Calgary is good at, first which requires some patience.

[DM83]

Keep in mind Techno, the defense isn?t into sacks so much, but rather take away what the offence wants to do, and hold the, to second and long, on second down let them dink and dunk and be held to under the first down marker, and let them punt.

Don?t forget it seems like many of the teams will be bringing in significant NFL cuts.

[blue_gold_84]

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+1

Defense had a solid outing, Jefferson included. There's more to what a player contributes than just his stat line, anyway.

[GOLDMEMBER]

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+2

I do not what game Austin and others were watching last week but it sure was not the Blue Bomber game. They were very good last week. Calgary was ridiculously crap on 2nd and long.

This thread is a joke authored by one who barely watches these games.

[LXTSN]

Might want to lock this thread up lol
29 sacks on the season puts us in second place behind Calgary who has 31.
Can't get that much better to be honest

[pjrocksmb]

Keep in mind Techno, the defense isn?t into sacks so much, but rather take away what the offence wants to do, and hold the, to second and long, on second down let them dink and dunk and be held to under the first down marker, and let them punt.

Don?t forget it seems like many of the teams will be bringing in significant NFL cuts.

Well said, I don't see us bringing in too many bodies but that's just my best guess

If we are holding opposition quarterbacks to no touchdowns, less than 100 yards passing per half then maybe it doesn't really matter what you think of the pass rush? We weren't necessarily pinning our ears back but we weren't up 20 points either. The plan was likely to neutralize the run game, as it's the only thing Calgary is good at, first which requires some patience.

exactly

+1

Defense had a solid outing, Jefferson included. There's more to what a player contributes than just his stat line, anyway.

+3

Willie sure isn?t the player he used to be plus every time he does something good he makes a Big issue of it.

Yeah he sucks.  Only one of best all time.  Let's cut him.  Father time got to him.  NEXT.  Come down to WPG, Willie going to eat.

Are you guys okay? The defense won us the football game. Willie Jefferson is having a career year. The pass rush is just fine.

Fact are presented above.  Classic forum moment here.

Might want to lock this thread up lol
29 sacks on the season puts us in second place behind Calgary who has 31.
Can't get that much better to be honest

Nothing burger here lol

The numbers don't lie but there will always be those that still complain even when we are the best or near it.  Haba will help.

[Tiger]

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Agreed.   Could we use some better? Sure. Always.

12 points, no majors and stopped both deadly Calgary running backs to 51 yards - I?m trembling.

Garbage indeed.