Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2023/2024 Season

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Quote from: theaardvark on August 18, 2023, 08:57:20 PM
"No team has come looking to trade for.."  is something we don't know.

Of course we don't know definitively; that's a given considering our position as fans relative to the organization. I'm speaking to the somewhat obvious implication in that no proposed trade or interested has come to light in any reported capacity as far as league insiders are concerned.

Quote from: theaardvark on August 18, 2023, 08:57:20 PM
A: There could have been trades floated, just not what Chevy wants. 

B: With both players being exceptionally high grade, isn't it strange no one is knocking down the door to get these pieces they can build around?   If signing in Winnipeg will take x+ vs. x to sign with another team, you'd think other teams would be more interested in them than we are... 

Indeed, Cheveldayoff doesn't seem like the type of GM to entertain disadvantageous trades, especially with his top players. But again to my previous point: no reported trade proposals have come to light in the seven or so weeks since free agency began. That's telling.

And it's not necessarily strange. It's not common to see pending UFAs get much interest at this time of year unless the team to which they belong is looking to shed salary. That doesn't appear to be the case with the Jets right now (projected to have around $1.8M of cap space to start the 2023-24 season).

Quote from: theaardvark on August 18, 2023, 08:57:20 PM
You're right, we've gotten a lot of good mileage out of both players, truthfully, its not like they are assets with long futures ahead like Dubois (or Liane that we traded for Dubois) had.  And sure, teams trading for 55 or 37 would be signing them to 5-8 year deals expecting to possibly buy out/trade the last few.  But they both can help teams now, and could be pieces that make that last step to contender. 

We aren't going to get a haul of current stars for either, but there should be trades available with some future prospects/picks.  Is there a FA C out there that can bridge us a year of development? 

I think the team has moved forward on many fronts, and it will be interesting to see what the new look team will be.  Not sure how much different it could be without 55 or 37 or both, but it would be be way to allow a new group of leaders to take over.

To me, there aren't any trades available at this time based on the apparent lack of interest from 31 other teams. What's worth noting is 18 of those teams have less than $1M worth of projected cap space, of which 12 have none whatsoever.

New leaders have already taken over recently. Morrissey, Connor, Lowry - to name a few. But that doesn't mean there isn't room in the leadership for players like Scheifele or Hellebuyck. I'm merely speculating but now that Wheeler's gone - the last of the old guard, as it were - the leadership issues could be sorted out with the current group and perhaps we see improvement in how the team plays in terms of its consistency.

The future of both players beyond next season seems very unclear, IMO. I don't expect that changing any time soon.
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If some of our draft choices (e.g. Lucius, Lambert, McGroarty, Barlow, Salomonsson, DiVincentiis and Milic) manage to crack the starting lineup in the next year or so, perhaps we can trade MS55 or CH37 for draft choices.

Jesse

We got screwed by covid. The time has come to move these big pieces and the flat cap has made it impossible for other teams to take them on.

So the only option becomes trading them at the deadline when their cap hits are reduced and teams may have a bit more flexibility/desperation to make a play-off push.

That or lose them for nothing - which I half expect from Chevy.
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Well, for Sheiffle, I would propose a contract higher than 8 million for five years, same with Hellbuch.  If they were only looking for a chance to win and some equal pay to others, maybe it keeps them.


Of course if they hate Winnipeg then there isn?t much to say.

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Pigskin

So MS55 and Heinola for Chytil and Schneider of the Rangers? Rumored on CJOB today.
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Quote from: Pigskin on September 01, 2023, 05:54:04 PM
So MS55 and Heinola for Chytil and Schneider of the Rangers? Rumored on CJOB today.

MAKE THE DEAL!

Lol...

Makes sense, re-unite MS55 with BW26..

Kinda makes our D situation even worse, though...
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Quote from: theaardvark on September 01, 2023, 06:21:46 PM
MAKE THE DEAL!

Lol...

Makes sense, re-unite MS55 with BW26..

Kinda makes our D situation even worse, though...

How?
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Quote from: Pigskin on September 01, 2023, 11:07:50 PM
How?

IIRC, we're going to have to expose a D man to waivers... this would mean Heinola wouldn't be one of those...  Scheider makes the top 6...
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Quote from: theaardvark on September 01, 2023, 11:29:36 PM
IIRC, we're going to have to expose a D man to waivers... this would mean Heinola wouldn't be one of those...  Scheider makes the top 6...

The only guy on our D core that is untouchable, is JM44. Schneider is 6'3" 210. Would add some size and skill to our D. I can think of a couple of guys making 6M I could part with. 
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Quote from: Pigskin on September 02, 2023, 03:57:49 AM
The only guy on our D core that is untouchable, is JM44. Schneider is 6'3" 210. Would add some size and skill to our D. I can think of a couple of guys making 6M I could part with. 

But how are you going to part with them?
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Quote from: Pigskin on September 02, 2023, 03:57:49 AM
The only guy on our D core that is untouchable, is JM44. Schneider is 6'3" 210. Would add some size and skill to our D. I can think of a couple of guys making 6M I could part with. 

Quote from: Jesse on September 02, 2023, 02:00:27 PM
But how are you going to part with them?

+1...  can we even buy out the $6mil D?  No one has cap space to trade them to.  short of a Kerrigan, they are on the roster...  no saving sending them to the Moose, and I'm sure they clear waivers...
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Quote from: theaardvark on September 02, 2023, 03:27:44 PM
+1...  can we even buy out the $6mil D?  No one has cap space to trade them to.  short of a Kerrigan, they are on the roster...  no saving sending them to the Moose, and I'm sure they clear waivers...

It's really not that hard. Just like Montreal did with Petry. Trade him for a draft pick or prospect, and retain a percentage of his salary.
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