Chris Jones Watch - Front Office SMS

[theaardvark]

How did Khari lose his job, but Chris hasn't? 

Not keeping up with the Jones'


Anyone who thinks the front office SMS has been anything positive for the league is delusional.  It is literally killing the CFL.  It should be abolished immediately.  There is zero benefit to having it in place. 

Teams that NEED to make a change cannot.  Edmonton is getting killed at the gate.  They could easily afford to eat Jone's salary IF they could get rid of Jones.  Likewise any other struggling team that needs a front office adjustment.

The only reason for front office adjustments is poor play.

Poor play kills gate.

Restricting teams from making adjustments to their front office dooms them to financial hardship far beyond having to eat some salary.

This madness has to stop.

This is NOT financial control/security.  This is financial suicide.

[Waffler]

Jim Toth was just saying on CJOB he doesn't think Jones survives this loss. I have to agree.

[theaardvark]

Jim Toth was just saying on CJOB he doesn't think Jones survives this loss. I have to agree.

But they have their HC, GM and DC $ all tied up in him...

Geroy to GM, Maxie to DC, but who to HC?  Macadoo?  Jim Barker?  Paul Lapolice?

[Sir Blue and Gold]

I don't think they'll fire him now if they didn't get rid of him during the bye. I know the game did not go as expected but did anyone really think beforehand they would win? Edmonton obviously must have come in realizing it was going to be a tall task.

I know they blew a 22 point lead and that stings...but clearly the plan was to keep going with Jones out of the bye so I'm not sure why another home loss to the Bombers makes it suddenly urgent.

[theaardvark]

I don't think they'll fire him now if they didn't get rid of him during the bye. I know the game did not go as expected but did anyone really think beforehand they would win? Edmonton obviously must have come in realizing it was going to be a tall task.

I know they blew a 22 point lead and that stings...but clearly the plan was to keep going with Jones out of the bye so I'm not sure why another home loss to the Bombers makes it suddenly urgent.

Nothing to do with losing to the Bombers, that was expected.  I had people suggesting to me that -14 was too small.  I had one guy want to bet me at -28. 

Its HOW they lost.  22 points up.  Penalty after penalty, a 60 yard drive for TD after a fumble where we actually gained 10 yards, the rest being penalties. 

It was a 3 phase breakdown of beyond epic proportions, at home.  Sure there have been larger comebacks, but not when facing 22 losses at home IN A ROW.  How Jones handed this to the Bombers is the key.  Not that he did, but how he did...

He has been under the microscope all year, and this just takes the cake.

[Jesse]

Jim Toth was just saying on CJOB he doesn't think Jones survives this loss. I have to agree.

I don't think they financially can. Especially this year.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Nothing to do with losing to the Bombers, that was expected.  I had people suggesting to me that -14 was too small.  I had one guy want to bet me at -28. 

Its HOW they lost.  22 points up.  Penalty after penalty, a 60 yard drive for TD after a fumble where we actually gained 10 yards, the rest being penalties. 

It was a 3 phase breakdown of beyond epic proportions, at home.  Sure there have been larger comebacks, but not when facing 22 losses at home IN A ROW.  How Jones handed this to the Bombers is the key.  Not that he did, but how he did...

He has been under the microscope all year, and this just takes the cake.

Why is blowing a 22 point lead so much more fireable than getting shut out twice by the same divisional opponent? They've been disappointing all year. Yesterday was more of the same.

It's an emotional loss for sure. But you don't run your front office or make very important, long term decisions on emotion. If they were going to keep him out of the bye, I don't know why you'd change now.

[The Zipp]

I don't think they financially can. Especially this year.

Blow the cap and take the penalty??  I dunno this is a tricky one - the season is over for the Elks, they are into pre-season for next season.  I am sure they have crunched the numbers and thought about canning him - how can you not??

[RebusRankin]

Is it on one year deal that he's on or are there two more years after this one? Both have been reported. If you owe him for the next 2.5 years, its tough to axe him. Toth mentioned today on CJOB that the staff is made up of Jones's buddies so that the overall approach likely would not change. I think they're better off firing him but I'm a fan sitting at a computer.

[GOLDMEMBER]

Jim Toth was just saying on CJOB he doesn't think Jones survives this loss. I have to agree.

Jim I gotta giant useless flapper Toth. Consider the source LOL

[ichabod_crane]

Why they even brought Jones in the first place was a bizarre decision! He bolts on the team a few years ago on the midnight train to Regina. Then does almost a similar thing with the riders. This is the guy you want heading up your franchise? Maybe Looking for a quick fix instead or a proper rebuild.

[Jesse]

Is it on one year deal that he's on or are there two more years after this one? Both have been reported. If you owe him for the next 2.5 years, its tough to axe him. Toth mentioned today on CJOB that the staff is made up of Jones's buddies so that the overall approach likely would not change. I think they're better off firing him but I'm a fan sitting at a computer.

Cui confirmed he was on a 4 year deal with 2 left after this one.

[theaardvark]

Why is blowing a 22 point lead so much more fireable than getting shut out twice by the same divisional opponent? They've been disappointing all year. Yesterday was more of the same.

It's an emotional loss for sure. But you don't run your front office or make very important, long term decisions on emotion. If they were going to keep him out of the bye, I don't know why you'd change now.

Why?  Because when you put up a donut, losing is expected.  But when you jump out to a 22 point lead while hanging that donut on your opponent, knock out their starting QB, at home, where you haven't won in years, AND you manage to lose... that takes some skill... at losing.

Cui confirmed he was on a 4 year deal with 2 left after this one.

When he first signed, everyone reported it was a series of 4 1 year deals.  Cui said this year it was a 4 year deal.  Hodge was on 680 today and speculated that in the offseason, Cui converted the deal.  Plus, many of Jones' cronies are on multiyear deals.

If you sign a player to a guaranteed contract and he is declared physically unable to perform, you get SMS relief on the contract you still have to pay.

Maybe the Elks can look into getting Jones declared incompetent (in a legal form), and designate him as long term injured... 

The CFL has to fix the front office SMS issue... I know its to prevent the haves from hiring everyone away from the have nots, and I can see there needs to be a cap, but like the provisions for injured players and the SMS, there has to be a provision for firing coaches/GM's that are killing your franchise, and revitalizing the gate.

[bunker]

Why?  Because when you put up a donut, losing is expected.  But when you jump out to a 22 point lead while hanging that donut on your opponenet, at home, where you haven't won in years, AND you manage to lose... that takes some skill... at losing.

When he first signed, everyone reported it was a series of 4 1 year deals.  Cui said this year it was a 4 year deal.  Hodge was on 680 today and speculated that in the offseason, Cui converted the deal.  Plus, many of Jones' cronies are on multiyear deals.

If you sign a player to a guaranteed contract and he is declared physically unable to perform, you get SMS relief on the contract you still have to pay.

Maybe the Elks can look into getting Jones declared incompetent (in a legal form), and designate him as long term injured... 

The CFL has to fix the front office SMS issue... I know its to revent the haves from hiring everyone away from the have nots, and I can see there needs to be a cap, but like the provisions for injured players and the SMS, there has to be a provision for firing coaches/GM's that are killing your franchise, and revitalizing the gate.

Why in the world would Cui convert him to a 4 year deal in the off-season after their horrendous record? Makes no sense.

[theaardvark]

Just an FYI...

Attendance (in thousands):

Team   2018 2023   % change
SSK   32.1   28.1   -12.5
EDM   31.1   24.7   -20.6
BC   20   22.9   14.5
MTL   17.3   17.4   0.6
OTT   23.3   18.2   -21.9
TOR   14.2   14.2   0.0
WPG   26.9   28.5   5.9
HAM   23.5   22.9   -2.6
CGY   26.3   21.4   -18.6


Winning teams have more gate.  Teams stuck with bad coaches do not win.  Self fulfilling prophecy.