Ricky Walker

Started by Pigskin, August 04, 2023, 05:53:26 PM

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pjrocksmb

#30
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 26, 2023, 03:34:45 PM
I didn't read or hear exactly what Brown said. I was under the impression he was discussing not having a true 7th DL as a DI. I don't think there is a concern about our starters.
Early in the season and on a few different occasions he said our depth was weak.  Shared the same sediment on the forum about the quality and depth at this position.  He wasn't sold on Walker.  He was wrong thus far imo.



Sir Blue and Gold

#31
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 26, 2023, 03:34:45 PM
I didn't read or hear exactly what Brown said. I was under the impression he was discussing not having a true 7th DL as a DI. I don't think there is a concern about our starters.

Ummm no. That's your concern but Doug Brown did not say anything about the number of defensive lineman dressed or share any concerns whatsoever around that "issue". He was simply talking about how, in his opinion, certain players have improved and asked Lawson to walk him through certain plays, which is how additional details on the interior reads came up.

Blue In BC

#32
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 26, 2023, 04:15:16 PM
Ummm no. That's your concern but Doug Brown did not say anything about the number of defensive lineman dressed or share any concerns whatsoever around that "issue". He was simply talking about how, in his opinion, certain players have improved and asked Lawson to walk him through certain plays, which is how additional details on the interior reads came up.

Read the comment above yours. He said both. I suppose you could take that as overall depth including PR or AR or both.

That comment showed up in this or another string previously.

Add it's not JUST my comment. Others have said the same. You just seem to have a need to prove me wrong. Time for you to change your mission in life.
Take no prisoners

Pigskin

#33
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 26, 2023, 09:27:48 PM
Read the comment above yours. He said both. I suppose you could take that as overall depth including PR or AR or both.

That comment showed up in this or another string previously.

Add it's not JUST my comment. Others have said the same. You just seem to have a need to prove me wrong. Time for you to change your mission in life.

So, as of today. Lawson and Thomas, are playing much better. Walker has been rock solid, plus.  JJ and JW have been outstanding. Bennett is improving. Haba has been running at practice and had been looking pretty good for a 1st. year player. We also have a Canadian and American DTs on the PR. We also have the German wrecking ball still on the 6 game. Our DL is looking good. 
Don't go through life looking in the rearview mirror.

pjrocksmb

#34
Quote from: Pigskin on August 26, 2023, 09:57:06 PM
So, as of today. Lawson and Thomas, are playing much better. Walker has been rock solid, plus.  JJ and JW have been outstanding. Bennett is improving. Haba has been running at practice and had been looking pretty good for a 1st. year player. We also have a Canadian and American DTs on the PR. We also have the German wrecking ball still on the 6 game. Our DL is looking good. 
Sums it up well.  Brown seen weakness and we have only seen strength.  If we stay healthy and get a few faces back we will be dominate once again.  Go BLUE!!

bunker

Quote from: Pigskin on August 26, 2023, 09:57:06 PM
So, as of today. Lawson and Thomas, are playing much better. Walker has been rock solid, plus.  JJ and JW have been outstanding. Bennett is improving. Haba has been running at practice and had been looking pretty good for a 1st. year player. We also have a Canadian and American DTs on the PR. We also have the German wrecking ball still on the 6 game. Our DL is looking good. 
Curious what they do with the DA spots once Haba is healthy. They need to use 2 DA spots on Sergio and a returner, and Cole has been a DA all season. Hard to believe Jackson survives as a DA, although stranger things have happened. Darby is a another possibility as a 6th Db/SAM. Bennet has played a bit better recently, but Haba was impressive in his short time on the field. Do they use Haba as a DA to go to 7 D lineman? Injuries could also be a factor going forward.

Pigskin

#36
Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 26, 2023, 10:24:25 PM
Sums it up well.  Brown seen weakness and we have only seen strength.  If we stay healthy and get a few faces back we will be dominate once again.  Go BLUE!!

Not what I said, and I disagree. Brown was spot on. This DL has improved a lot since the first 5-6 games of the season.
Don't go through life looking in the rearview mirror.

pjrocksmb

#37
Quote from: Pigskin on August 26, 2023, 11:42:36 PM
Not what I said, and I disagree. Brown was spot on. This DL has improved a lot since the first 5-6 games of the season.
Brown wasn't spot on.  He was worried about our depth and pedigree at the position which ended up being a none issue.  We didn't add anyone, even lost a guy.  Our guys proved through their strong play that we had nothing to worry about.  Now they just have to prove it for the rest of the year. Our vets have played well, new faces have been reasonable and our role players stepped up.  We have rotated well.

Your original post summed up my feelings about the DL and provided evidence on why Brown was off base imo.

Agree we have improved as we went.

Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 26, 2023, 09:27:48 PM
Read the comment above yours. He said both. I suppose you could take that as overall depth including PR or AR or both.

That comment showed up in this or another string previously.

Add it's not JUST my comment. Others have said the same. You just seem to have a need to prove me wrong. Time for you to change your mission in life.

Seeing as you didn't hear the segment you can believe me or not. He never said we didn't have enough bodies in rotation on the defensive line.

pjrocksmb

#39
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 27, 2023, 12:38:07 AM
Seeing as you didn't hear the segment you can believe me or not. He never said we didn't have enough bodies in rotation on the defensive line.
He seams to be taking every angle possible to be supporting his view about too few DL and too many LBs.  I believe our roster decisions have been solid and all we do is win.

Once the season is over we will likely know how well we managed the roster and how our players held up on played.  So far so good!

Blue In BC

Quote from: Pigskin on August 26, 2023, 09:57:06 PM
So, as of today. Lawson and Thomas, are playing much better. Walker has been rock solid, plus.  JJ and JW have been outstanding. Bennett is improving. Haba has been running at practice and had been looking pretty good for a 1st. year player. We also have a Canadian and American DTs on the PR. We also have the German wrecking ball still on the 6 game. Our DL is looking good. 

Yes. We'll be even better when we get Hansen back. He'll also help our ST's. I think Haba would be great to get back but that becomes a choice on what we can or want to do with our DI's.
Take no prisoners

Blue In BC

Quote from: bunker on August 26, 2023, 10:42:14 PM
Curious what they do with the DA spots once Haba is healthy. They need to use 2 DA spots on Sergio and a returner, and Cole has been a DA all season. Hard to believe Jackson survives as a DA, although stranger things have happened. Darby is a another possibility as a 6th Db/SAM. Bennet has played a bit better recently, but Haba was impressive in his short time on the field. Do they use Haba as a DA to go to 7 D lineman? Injuries could also be a factor going forward.

Yeah, it's a big question but new injuries could change the dynamic. Darby is a bit of odd situation. He's not starting and he's not a DI. He qualifies as a Nationalized American but I don't know they are doing that. Technically they don't have to, in theory he could replace Kramdi due to an injury or any DB.

However it is possible that they bump him once Haba and Grant return.
Take no prisoners

Throw Long Bannatyne

#42
Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 27, 2023, 12:31:44 AM
Brown wasn't spot on.  He was worried about our depth and pedigree at the position which ended up being a none issue.  We didn't add anyone, even lost a guy.  Our guys proved through their strong play that we had nothing to worry about.  Now they just have to prove it for the rest of the year. Our vets have played well, new faces have been reasonable and our role players stepped up.  We have rotated well.

Your original post summed up my feelings about the DL and provided evidence on why Brown was off base imo.

Agree we have improved as we went.

The season is only half over, can't predict it's all going to be smooth sailing through to the end of the year based on the first half because it probably won't be.  Important in the last half to preserve Jeffcoat, Jackson and Walker so they're fresh for the playoffs, Haba and Fox will have to return to the rotation at some point for that to happen. Risking the health of Jeffcoat is as bad as losing Grant for an extended period of time, without his contribution Willy is less than half as effective as he can be, and without a strong pass-rush the secondary usually falls to pieces. 

Blue In BC

#43
Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 27, 2023, 12:43:10 AM
He seams to be taking every angle possible to be supporting his view about too few DL and too many LBs.  I believe our roster decisions have been solid and all we do is win.

Once the season is over we will likely know how well we managed the roster and how our players held up on played.  So far so good!

You've never doubted any player or any coaches decision. You live in a world of where everything is sunshine and roses. Nice to be positive but you could add a smig of reality every now and again.

BTW, I never said we had too many LB's. My comments are soley a focus on a DL versus Mr Seal.

Here's one of many comments about Jackson from the other site. Maybe you should read that string.



     
    On 2023-08-25 at 11:12 AM, Stickem said:

    Jackson got a shot at offence and really didn't do too much on the play.....Seems he needs a lot of work....After his attempted run, went back to the bench,  looked like he was totally bagged, and was chuckin' up his lunch.....Looks like Osh is happy with him though

and needs tons of work as a DE....he has a bad get off...no snap anticipation and is basically flat footed as the oline is coming out of their stance.....I see why he doesn't get any meaningful defensive snaps...again good story and will put it on line for team in whatever capacity, but really is a waste of a DA spot, and to be quite frank a stupid roster move

EDIT: Regarding LB's, if Clements was healthy he'd be a more effective player as well. He is effective on ST's and defence. 
Take no prisoners

pjrocksmb

#44
I debated the pros and cons of players all the time.  I have debated coaches decisions and roster moves.   I have been a big supporter of this group for many years but I am never shy to voice my opinion or criticism.  I don't live in a world where everything is sunshine and roses; I simply state my opinion on the players, coaches and management on here as it relates to the CFL.

We all have a role to play here and I value yours.  Our realities are based on our own views and we are all here to present and debate everything CFL.

I recall you mentioned that we had ten LBs in another post and figured that meant you were thinking we were dressing too many.  I thought your position was to dress a DL over Jackson.  I am sorry if I made incorrect assumptions.

I don't appreciate you making strong statements above that don't fully illustrate my role or how I post on here.  Yes I'm positive but I provide more than just that imo.  There is  small group on here that likes to go to the PJ is only positive argument when we get in a debate.  That stick gets old fast.  Let's focus on the ball club please.

There are some that share you view on Jackson taking a roster spot and some that are happy with management's decision on that.  This debate will continue.