Power Rankings

Jesse · August 04, 2023, 10:48:58 PM

Quote from: theaardvark on August 04, 2023, 03:59:30 PM
So,

Toronto beats BC 45-24

We beat BC 50-14

And Toronto is better?

OK...

OTT beats WPG 31-28

And HAM beats OTT 21-13

Therefore HAM is better than WPG.

TecnoGenius · August 05, 2023, 12:51:51 AM

Ya, you definitely need to look at the averages. Any Given Sunday means you can't trust the results of one game. Now, if a team trends a certain way, or repeats a result often, then you can read something into it.

theaardvark · August 05, 2023, 04:40:51 AM

OK, Toronto is not undefeated.

Toronto has lost significant players.

I really think there is a case for WPG to be #1 on the power rankings after this week....

Lincoln Locomotive · August 05, 2023, 01:39:20 PM

Quote from: theaardvark on August 05, 2023, 04:40:51 AM
OK, Toronto is not undefeated.

Toronto has lost significant players.

I really think there is a case for WPG to be #1 on the power rankings after this week....

They should definitely move ahead of BC albeit I wouldn't lose any sleep over it if TO retains their #1 ranking despite losing to the 2-5 Stamps.
What's apparent is that any team is one starting QB injury away from losing on any given day. Most of us picked TO to win and surprise surprise....Kelly goes down relatively early in the game and their undefeated streak is over. It's the CFL man....and really for me it's all about getting to play in the Grey Cup.

TBURGESS · August 05, 2023, 02:14:59 PM

6-1 > 6-2
Both TOR & WPG beat BC big time

Jesse · August 05, 2023, 02:46:08 PM

Quote from: TBURGESS on August 05, 2023, 02:14:59 PM
6-1 > 6-2
Both TOR & WPG beat BC big time

But it's power rankings, not standings.

I'd say we look much stronger than Toronto does right now.

TBURGESS · August 05, 2023, 06:06:10 PM

Quote from: Jesse on August 05, 2023, 02:46:08 PM
But it's power rankings, not standings.

I'd say we look much stronger than Toronto does right now.

What makes us 'more powerful'? Beating BC? Tor did that a couple of weeks back. Losing to BC? Toronto hasn't done that. Losing to Ottawa? Toronto hasn't done that either.

Jesse · August 05, 2023, 07:01:28 PM

Quote from: TBURGESS on August 05, 2023, 06:06:10 PM
What makes us 'more powerful'? Beating BC? Tor did that a couple of weeks back. Losing to BC? Toronto hasn't done that. Losing to Ottawa? Toronto hasn't done that either.

Beating BC in the matter that we did while returning a bunch of guys that were injured/absent in the first meeting in the same week that Toronto lost and lost a few players to injury, yes.

If the power ranking are a snap shot into the current week and looking ahead to next week and not just copy/pasting the standings, then yes. I think we look better at this moment.

ichabod_crane · August 05, 2023, 07:16:49 PM

Quote from: John T. on August 04, 2023, 03:52:43 PM
I remember that some Winnipeg sports broadcaster, way back in the '70s - maybe Jack Wells, but I'm not sure - called it the Bozo Syndrome, and referred to both the Bombers and the Jets of that time; it was a reference to how great teams would sometimes play down to the level of their opponents, resulting in embarrassing losses to very weak opponents. To this day, that's how I think of it. The good news is that Bozo Syndrome does not usually lessen the number of championships a team wins, unless it happens in the championship game, which, to be fair, has happened to the Bombers at least twice in my memory (2001 and last year).

Still, I'd rather lose to Ottawa than to BC or Toronto. BC has lost only the the two teams that are arguably better than them, and that's no way to win championships.

Pretty sure it was Jack matheson that coined the BOZO syndrome monicker. Cactus created many of his own too. Catch and jammer kids (Paul Bennett and Rick house). Still miss the happy honker award! ?Twas a golden age with that post game analysis crew in the 80?s!

bunker · August 05, 2023, 08:11:31 PM

Quote from: ichabod_crane on August 05, 2023, 07:16:49 PM

Pretty sure it was Jack matheson that coined the BOZO syndrome monicker. Cactus created many of his own too. Catch and jammer kids (Paul Bennett and Rick house). Still miss the happy honker award! ?Twas a golden age with that post game analysis crew in the 80?s!

And don't forget Mitch Zalnasky with the stats, lol. Agree that was a fun post game. Many memories of driving back from the game with everyone honking all at once. Probably a law against it now. Wells was a real character.

I don't really put much stock in power rankings, but if you're going to use it the way its intended, as a snap shot of who's riding high and who's in the gutter, I think the bombers have to be considered #1 right now, given their dominant win over a good team, and Toronto's loss of not only their game to Calgary, but one of their best defensive players and their #1 QB. If Kelly gets healthy and they start looking dominant again, then of course its subject to change, but this week, Bombers reign.

theaardvark · August 06, 2023, 03:58:16 AM

Quote from: TBURGESS on August 05, 2023, 06:06:10 PM
What makes us 'more powerful'? Beating BC? Tor did that a couple of weeks back. Losing to BC? Toronto hasn't done that. Losing to Ottawa? Toronto hasn't done that either.

Beating Calgary? Toronto hasn't done that... Hanging a fiftyburger on BC?

Power rankings are *today*. Today, we are on a winning streak, Toronto is on a losing streak.

We have a 3 deep QB corps that are all healthy and capable of starting a CFL game. Toronto has 1 good QB who missed the second half of their last game, and Cameron Dukes and Scott Bryan.

Sure, I have a bias. But as far as power, today, we are ahead of BC, no doubt, and I think we are better than Toronto.

TBURGESS · August 06, 2023, 02:29:29 PM

Power rankings aren't a snapshot in time, nor are they today. They are supposed to show how good each team is overall.

We had a great game. We beat the #2 team to become the #2 team. We played our first full game of the season. Overall, we've lost more games than Toronto & we've only dominated one game this year.

Jesse · August 06, 2023, 02:47:22 PM

Quote from: TBURGESS on August 06, 2023, 02:29:29 PM
Power rankings aren't a snapshot in time, nor are they today. They are supposed to show how good each team is overall.

We had a great game. We beat the #2 team to become the #2 team. We played our first full game of the season. Overall, we've lost more games than Toronto & we've only dominated one game this year.

Well. I disagree with most of this.

theaardvark · August 06, 2023, 03:03:34 PM

Quote from: TBURGESS on August 06, 2023, 02:29:29 PM
Power rankings aren't a snapshot in time, nor are they today. They are supposed to show how good each team is overall.

We had a great game. We beat the #2 team to become the #2 team. We played our first full game of the season. Overall, we've lost more games than Toronto & we've only dominated one game this year.

We beat the number 2 team, the number 1 team lost embarrassingly to the number 8 team, and not only did they lose the game, they lost more players, including possibly the best players on O and D, whereas we've gained back some top players.

So, if we go and beat up on the #9 team, and they lose to the #5 team, are we #1? Or, because they got to 6 first, do they stay #1?

Power rankings are the ranking *today*. Standings are the ranking of the team over the season.

If they are "how good is the team overall", then there is no doubt who is #1. Us. Especially of Kelly his the 1 game or 6 game...

BBRT · August 06, 2023, 03:40:48 PM

Quote from: Jesse on August 06, 2023, 02:47:22 PM
Well. I disagree with most of this.

I guess we can all agree to dis-agree on this one. I am with TB on this one. I think Ards just has his blue glasses on too tight with his analysis. IMHO and it is only my opinion Toronto should be listed as first and the Bombers second for now. However things do change and really the Power ratings have zero value other than a discussion point.