Power Rankings

[TBURGESS]

Does a Fiftyburger mean more?

No more than dropping 2 shutouts on a team does.

[LXTSN]

I don't think it is garbage, a weird characteristic of this team seems to be that they occasionally **** the bed and lose to the very worst teams. It's a really bad personality trait to possess.  I won't be surprised if the Argos lose a few games this season, but I'll be surprised if the teams that beat them won't be fairly capable challengers.

I think the win today proves that they still have the capability to flip the switch and dominate!
I'll take the team that looses occasionally to the bad teams, rather than the team that just can't quite beat the good teams.
(Of course, I'd prefer the team that just wins every game lol)

[John T.]

I think the win today proves that they still have the capability to flip the switch and dominate!
I'll take the team that looses occasionally to the bad teams, rather than the team that just can't quite beat the good teams.
(Of course, I'd prefer the team that just wins every game lol)

I remember that some Winnipeg sports broadcaster, way back in the '70s - maybe Jack Wells, but I'm not sure - called it the Bozo Syndrome, and referred to both the Bombers and the Jets of that time; it was a reference to how great teams would sometimes play down to the level of their opponents, resulting in embarrassing losses to very weak opponents. To this day, that's how I think of it. The good news is that Bozo Syndrome does not usually lessen the number of championships a team wins, unless it happens in the championship game, which, to be fair, has happened to the Bombers at least twice in my memory (2001 and last year).

Still, I'd rather lose to Ottawa than to BC or Toronto. BC has lost only the the two teams that are arguably better than them, and that's no way to win championships.

[theaardvark]

So,

Toronto beats BC 45-24

We beat BC 50-14

And Toronto is better?

OK...

[jayrock]

So,

Toronto beats BC 45-24

We beat BC 50-14

And Toronto is better?

OK...

You also lost to BC.
trying to say you are a better team, because you beat the same team by different scores just make no sense.

[LXTSN]

So,

Toronto beats BC 45-24

We beat BC 50-14

And Toronto is better?

OK...

Right now Toronto hasn't lost a game... so they're better than everyone.

[theaardvark]

Power rankings are not a measure of what your team is averaged over the season, or what it is going to be, but rather a measure of who is best Today.

What happened in the past, or what may happen in the future, has little bearing on the *Current* power rank.

I would suggest using results against a common team is one of the better measures. 

After this week is done, should Toronto lose, I would suggest we take spot 1.  If Toronto wins unconvincingly, I would say we have an argument for us taking #1.  If they rout CGY in CGY, sure, the can keep #1, but we are undoubtedly #2.

Right now Toronto hasn't lost a game... so they're better than everyone.

Toronto has not beaten us.  So, no, they are not definitively better than everyone.  They are better than the teams they have proven they can beat.

[blue_or_die]

Power rankings are not a measure of what your team is averaged over the season, or what it is going to be, but rather a measure of who is best Today.

What happened in the past, or what may happen in the future, has little bearing on the *Current* power rank.

I would suggest using results against a common team is one of the better measures. 

After this week is done, should Toronto lose, I would suggest we take spot 1.  If Toronto wins unconvincingly, I would say we have an argument for us taking #1.  If they rout CGY in CGY, sure, the can keep #1, but we are undoubtedly #2.

Toronto has not beaten us.  So, no, they are not definitively better than everyone.  They are better than the teams they have proven they can beat.

It's fine to question thing like "who they beat" etc, and even though the criteria is loose, it's not going to fly to have the only undefeated team ranked any lower than #1. We did usurp BC for #2 this week though.

You're right that if Toronto loses we have at the very least a very good argument for #1 but still might not get it.

[tlf]

It's fine to question thing like "who they beat" etc, and even though the criteria is loose, it's not going to fly to have the only undefeated team ranked any lower than #1. We did usurp BC for #2 this week though.

You're right that if Toronto loses we have at the very least a very good argument for #1 but still might not get it.

Toronto's winning percentage will still be higher, so I'd suspect they'd still get it.  6-1 vs 6-2... They have the edge by not losing that second game...IF they lost.  Big if.  Since they are playing the Stamps, I'm unsure this will be the week.  Never know though!

We play TO Sept 29th, and the Lions right after.  Fun couple of weeks!

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Toronto's winning percentage will still be higher, so I'd suspect they'd still get it.  6-1 vs 6-2... They have the edge by not losing that second game...IF they lost.  Big if.  Since they are playing the Stamps, I'm unsure this will be the week.  Never know though!

We play TO Sept 29th, and the Lions right after.  Fun couple of weeks!

I've lost all faith the Stamps can pull themselves up by their bootstraps and win games consistently as they've done so many times in the past, they've officially fallen on hard times and are no longer viable contenders.  I'd bet there is a coaching shakeup coming in the off-season.

[LXTSN]

Toronto has not beaten us.  So, no, they are not definitively better than everyone.  They are better than the teams they have proven they can beat.

It would be some crazy level of disrespect to have a team that's 6-0 not be ranked #1.
Or if Toronto was actually not a great team I could understand, but I think they've proven it to everyone that they can play!
They just won a championship last year and haven't lost since. What more would you need them to do?

[Pigskin]

You also lost to BC.
trying to say you are a better team, because you beat the same team by different scores just make no sense.

And we lost to Ottawa. In a very embarrassing way. Toronto is #1. We will see what happens in late September.

[TecnoGenius]

Power rankings are not a measure of what your team is averaged over the season, or what it is going to be, but rather a measure of who is best Today.

I think it's more than that.  Power rankings should measure the "power" of a team at that moment: power being the ability to project their dominance over the near future.  As such it should have predictive power over the next stretch of games.

For example, say EDM suits up the next Tom Brady next week and they get Gino back and maybe some superstar on D.  Say that EDM goes on to win 5 games in a row, all by 25+ points, even against TOR/BC/WPG.  After that 5 games, I would put EDM at #1-#3 in the power rankings, even though they are 5-8, because they now have all the momentum and power and have no reason not to continue their run.

[TecnoGenius]

I've lost all faith the Stamps can pull themselves up by their bootstraps and win games consistently as they've done so many times in the past, they've officially fallen on hard times and are no longer viable contenders.  I'd bet there is a coaching shakeup coming in the off-season.

Stamps are floundering under Dickenson  The more power Dickenson gets, the worse the team gets.  They need a new HC.

Maybe being a middling to loser team, and losing all the STHs, will wake up the org enough to finally get some movement on a new stadium.  New digs could breathe new life into the whole situation.

[TecnoGenius]

It would be some crazy level of disrespect to have a team that's 6-0 not be ranked #1.
Or if Toronto was actually not a great team I could understand, but I think they've proven it to everyone that they can play!
They just won a championship last year and haven't lost since. What more would you need them to do?

I don't think TOR is the best.  Kelly is still a big question mark.  He rarely/never puts up big yards and I'm not sure he can.  He's still a pretty fresh/new QB.  He's riding a great team and amazing coaching right now.  Kind of like 2019 Nichols, who was quite good, but not the best: 2019 Nichols probably wins the cup, but he wouldn't be the main reason for it.

Kelly is at best (at this time) a VAJ: a decent placeholder game-managing a great team.  Both are susceptible to ruining games for their team.

Remember how everyone used to lose to CGY, especially in McMahon?  It was partly because everyone expected to lose to CGY.  So they were ok with it and just said "ya everyone loses to CGY in McMahon" and everyone accepted it and didn't care.  That's what TOR has at the moment.  Someone needs to start shattering that illusion, just like WPG did to BC last night.. (TOR's receivers are pretty awful; when Coxie is your best, you're vulnerable.)