Blue Bombers Transactions - July 29, 2023

Blue In BC · August 03, 2023, 09:42:43 PM

I see Parker was moved to 1 game IR. ADS moved to PR. That surprises me a bit but so be it.

theaardvark · August 04, 2023, 04:08:56 PM

I really don't want to lose ADS, he will replace Rose eventually. I know there is a gentleman's agreement not to scoop PR players, but I can see Jones going after ADS15

Blue In BC · August 04, 2023, 04:45:34 PM

Quote from: theaardvark on August 04, 2023, 04:08:56 PM
I really don't want to lose ADS, he will replace Rose eventually. I know there is a gentleman's agreement not to scoop PR players, but I can see Jones going after ADS15

Yeah, that's why I thought they'd just add him to 1 game IR same as Parker. He's on an ELC so not a huge hit to protect him.

I think for the next game we might see McCrae moved to 1 game IR and Parker back in as the returner. The other option would be to move Darby to 1 game IR to accomplish that. McCrae adds some interesting skill but keeping him on the AR is challenging. Clearly he struggles as a PR guy and that could come back to haunt us.

Sir Blue and Gold · August 04, 2023, 05:21:38 PM

Quote from: theaardvark on August 04, 2023, 04:08:56 PM
I really don't want to lose ADS, he will replace Rose eventually. I know there is a gentleman's agreement not to scoop PR players, but I can see Jones going after ADS15

Then we just activate him and put him on the one game IR. It's not difficult.

Blue In BC · August 04, 2023, 05:24:42 PM

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 04, 2023, 05:21:38 PM
Then we just activate him and put him on the one game IR. It's not difficult.

I think the requirement is to put him on the AR if another team is trying to scoop him.

theaardvark · August 04, 2023, 05:28:55 PM

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 04, 2023, 04:45:34 PM
Yeah, that's why I thought they'd just add him to 1 game IR same as Parker. He's on an ELC so not a huge hit to protect him.

I think for the next game we might see McCrae moved to 1 game IR and Parker back in as the returner. The other option would be to move Darby to 1 game IR to accomplish that. McCrae adds some interesting skill but keeping him on the AR is challenging. Clearly he struggles as a PR guy and that could come back to haunt us.

The one issue with the IR is the player has to agree to be placed on the IR, and if he isn't injured... he can refuse the designation. He might see that with the return of Rose, he might have a chance of starting elsewhere, and a PR stint opens that opportunity. He doesn't have to agree to any offer he gets, but just having the opportunity to might be worth the pay cut, it they have given him a pay cut on the IR (you can choose to pay a player the same as his ELC while on the PR). There is no cost difference to the WFC whentehr he is pn the PR (at ELC rate) or on the IR, unless he is on the 6 game, which no player would agree to if uninjured because it means no practicing with the team for 4 weeks.

Parker is legit dinged, and while he might be able to play, IR is justified. ADS15 is healthy.

I do hope no one makes him an offer he can't refuse. He is one non contact injury away from the AR here. Hopefully Lawler, or Bailey, or any of the other team-mates in the room have given him the "grass isn't greener" talk. He has a home, and a good one, if he is patient.

Blue In BC · August 04, 2023, 05:40:14 PM

As far as I know a player on IR gets his salary. It can't be reduced to an ELC. It would make no sense for a player to refuse a 1 game IR move.

theaardvark · August 04, 2023, 06:05:43 PM

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 04, 2023, 05:40:14 PM
As far as I know a player on IR gets his salary. It can't be reduced to an ELC. It would make no sense for a player to refuse a 1 game IR move.

If a player is getting ELC money, he gets that ELC money when he is on the IR.

If you get placed on the IR, it goes on your permanent record. You were "injured", even if it was a roster move, and you had phantom turf toe.

You can pay a player ELC or more on the PR. And the player does not have to feign an injury, and has the option of fielding offers from other teams.

We are talking ADS15, who is on an ELC. On IR that's what he gets. On the PR, we have the option of paying him as little as $750/week, or we can pay him the same as if he is on the IR, or, if we want, we can pay him more than he'd get on the IR (if we want him to stay)

Throw Long Bannatyne · August 04, 2023, 07:43:01 PM

exume

Quote from: theaardvark on August 04, 2023, 05:28:55 PM
The one issue with the IR is the player has to agree to be placed on the IR, and if he isn't injured... he can refuse the designation. He might see that with the return of Rose, he might have a chance of starting elsewhere, and a PR stint opens that opportunity. He doesn't have to agree to any offer he gets, but just having the opportunity to might be worth the pay cut, it they have given him a pay cut on the IR (you can choose to pay a player the same as his ELC while on the PR). There is no cost difference to the WFC whentehr he is pn the PR (at ELC rate) or on the IR, unless he is on the 6 game, which no player would agree to if uninjured because it means no practicing with the team for 4 weeks.

Parker is legit dinged, and while he might be able to play, IR is justified. ADS15 is healthy.

I do hope no one makes him an offer he can't refuse. He is one non contact injury away from the AR here. Hopefully Lawler, or Bailey, or any of the other team-mates in the room have given him the "grass isn't greener" talk. He has a home, and a good one, if he is patient.

Can you recall the last player to get picked off a PR list? I can't because it hasn't happened in a long time. I do suspect tampering still goes on across the league though, in the case of Exume someone may have whispered in his agents ear the Bombers were very interested in re-acquiring him when the Als were looking to shift him over to their PR list. Maybe he refused, knowing the Bombers would pick him up immediately. Without an insider's scoop, there's no way to know.

Blue In BC · August 04, 2023, 07:49:00 PM

Quote from: theaardvark on August 04, 2023, 06:05:43 PM
If a player is getting ELC money, he gets that ELC money when he is on the IR.

If you get placed on the IR, it goes on your permanent record. You were "injured", even if it was a roster move, and you had phantom turf toe.

You can pay a player ELC or more on the PR. And the player does not have to feign an injury, and has the option of fielding offers from other teams.

We are talking ADS15, who is on an ELC. On IR that's what he gets. On the PR, we have the option of paying him as little as $750/week, or we can pay him the same as if he is on the IR, or, if we want, we can pay him more than he'd get on the IR (if we want him to stay)

Why would a team pay an ELC player full salary instead of putting him on IR for the same cost.

theaardvark · August 04, 2023, 07:59:41 PM

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 04, 2023, 07:49:00 PM
Why would a team pay an ELC player full salary instead of putting him on IR for the same cost.

Do you mean paying a player his full ELC paycheck on the PR rather than the IR? I think I answered that in the quoted text.

IR means injured and player has to agree to the designation. "Hiding" a roster player on the IR is also against the rules.

You pay PR players whatever you need to to keep them in camp. If a player will stay for $750 /wk, great. But if you offer a player the demotion to PR and he won't accept $750/week, and you WANT to keep him, you pay him what you need to. Even if that is the same as when he was rostered on an ELC.

Pete · August 04, 2023, 08:05:36 PM

Usually when a team wants a practice roster player they'll trade a low round pick to try to keep the originating team from activatin him. In the bombers case if someone tried they could move a Jackson and make room for the claimed player.

TecnoGenius · August 04, 2023, 08:21:41 PM

Quote from: theaardvark on August 04, 2023, 04:08:56 PM
I really don't want to lose ADS, he will replace Rose eventually. I know there is a gentleman's agreement not to scoop PR players, but I can see Jones going after ADS15

IMO no one (else) is interested in ADS. DBs are a dime a dozen and Swarm is not any better at this stage than Houston, Parker, Sayles or Jones16 were in their rookie season. And why would ADS care to go from best team @ELC to a lesser team @ELC? He can see how DBs progress in WPG and wait his turn.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 04, 2023, 07:43:01 PM
Can you recall the last player to get picked off a PR list? I can't because it hasn't happened in a long time.

Ya, it's literally not a thing. Chill Aards!

P.S. Didn't you see how much better Rose was than ADS??

Blue In BC · August 04, 2023, 08:55:50 PM

Quote from: theaardvark on August 04, 2023, 07:59:41 PM
Do you mean paying a player his full ELC paycheck on the PR rather than the IR? I think I answered that in the quoted text.

IR means injured and player has to agree to the designation. "Hiding" a roster player on the IR is also against the rules.

You pay PR players whatever you need to to keep them in camp. If a player will stay for $750 /wk, great. But if you offer a player the demotion to PR and he won't accept $750/week, and you WANT to keep him, you pay him what you need to. Even if that is the same as when he was rostered on an ELC.

I think you're making something out of nothing. A rookie being offered a 1 game IR or being released is going to agree to the 1 game IR. He has to accept or even be offered a PR spot which is not guaranteed. What do you think he's going to do?

His " permanent record"? As opposed to being cut and relegated to the PR? lol