The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

[theaardvark]

Two ways to look at it, maybe Houston was not in the moment and forgot what the appropriate play on the ball should be, or perhaps he was very much in the moment and knew it would have no effect on the result due to the time left on the clock.  Either way O'Shea should not have commented without forst consulting with the player.

The leaders in the secondary have been B.A. and Rose.

The other question is, was it a direct comment to Houston, or a general warning to everyone.  It may have seemed to be calling Houston out, but it could also be seen as  a reminder to all DB's that the proper, unselfish play there is the knockdown.  In this instance, in this situation, and with this result, there was no damage done.  But, if it goes slightly different, if the player is not concentrating on a knockown, and something else happens (a tip, simultaneous catch, a strip, a fumble...), such an event in the future Could have repercussions, and MOS wants to ensure no one makes that mistake again...

[Blue In BC]

The other question is, was it a direct comment to Houston, or a general warning to everyone.  It may have seemed to be calling Houston out, but it could also be seen as  a reminder to all DB's that the proper, unselfish play there is the knockdown.  In this instance, in this situation, and with this result, there was no damage done.  But, if it goes slightly different, if the player is not concentrating on a knockown, and something else happens (a tip, simultaneous catch, a strip, a fumble...), such an event in the future Could have repercussions, and MOS wants to ensure no one makes that mistake again...

Good point about the possibility of a strip afterwards. However in the context of this game, there was a 14 point lead and about 3o seconds left. In theory the ball could have been stripped and returned for a TD. An on side kick recovered and a Hail Mary to tie the score.

Probably? No but neither was losing with a 16 point lead with 2 1/2 minutes against the Redblacks.

The int was near the sideline but what happens if it happened in the middle of the field? All sorts of potentially bad things. A tipped ball by the Stamps in a similar situation that Jone then caught and scored. Game then set up for an OT loss.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

Two ways to look at it, maybe Houston was not in the moment and forgot what the appropriate play on the ball should be, or perhaps he was very much in the moment and knew it would have no effect on the result due to the time left on the clock.  Either way O'Shea should not have commented without forst consulting with the player.

The leaders in the secondary have been B.A. and Rose.

I didn't like the pick myself and have watched the replay several times.....the receiver actually wraps him up as they are both falling backwards for the jump ball.    Yeah he might have been able to drop it but  as I've already stated I didn't like the fact that MOS called him out for it on air....that's not typically what he does.  You can make your point off the field or in the locker room one on one.    Houston has 5 picks and 3 fumble recoveries and he's always around the ball.   MOS isn't infallible and on this occasion he was out of line for calling him down......nothing good ever comes from doing this....ever!!

[Jesse]

It will be interesting to see how Houston, and the DB crew react to this.  Much like Swaggertown, DB's work as a group.  Not sure who the spiritual leader of this corps is, but either Houston mea culpa's and recognizes that, even though there was no chance that his interception changed the outcome, his action was selfish, and was not the proper play on the field.  If he goes the other way, and believes he was in the right taking the stat over making the unselfish play, then we could see some issues going forward.

What a giant pile of garbage.

It was a great play which everyone on the field cheered.

[dd]

What a giant pile of garbage.

It was a great play which everyone on the field cheered.

And MOS had to remind those like minded selfish players, that it was not a great play, in fact it was a selfish that in a closer game where field position mattered it could have cost us a field goal. That?s the take home message

[Jesse]

And MOS had to remind those like minded selfish players, that it was not a great play, in fact it was a selfish that in a closer game where field position mattered it could have cost us a field goal. That?s the take home message

My take home message is that MOS needs to pick his battles better.

[NewBlue]

I think this is one of those read between the line statements. That play in particular wasn't really that "selfish" in the sense that everyone knew the time on the clock and that we weren't going to run another play. I think it's more of a glimpse into the thinking about what he thinks about Houston's play this year in general. The long touchdown we gave up in the second half was because Houston got torched on the double move in a defense he knew he had no help on. He stays high, not worrying about the pick and we probably shut out Edmonton in the second half. I think it's a "big picture" comment more than a "that specific play", although that play served as another example.

This is exactly what I thought, about maybe why he was burnt lastgame.

[Stats Junkie]

Mike O'Shea addressed this on the Coach's show tonight. Ultimately he is okay with the result now because Winnipeg plays Edmonton 3 times this season. If it was a 2 game series, point differential would have come into play.

Knock the ball down and Winnipeg takes over at the E11. Bombers have 2 chances for a TD before kicking a FG.

By intercepting at the E51, the Blue Bombers have to move the ball just to have a shot at a long FG.

He also mentioned a knockdown in the end zone earlier this season. When he showed that clip to the players, he mentioned that it would be a good decision to intercept if possible because the ball would come out to 25 (actually the 30 this season)

[TecnoGenius]

I d be shocked if Houston stays in the lineup after injured players come back.

Holy smokes, ignoring FS BA, Houston is either our 2nd best DB if you think Rose sucks, or our 3rd best DB if you think Rose is still good.  Swarm and Holm are still the "new guys" and nowhere near Houston.  Parker is in the middle and moving up.

Houston would literally have to pull a Gaitor or Rutledge FIFO screwup to lose his spot.  Not to mention, we're desperate for good depth.  As of today, if we lose 1 more DB we're in deep doo-doo.

[theaardvark]

Should MOS have done the reprimand in the film room, in private rather than on national TV, undoubtedly yes. 

Is MOS a passionate coach who wears his heart on his sleeve?  Of course.

Was he upset that one of his players, who had just been told to knock down a pass, was selfish and took the stat over the team?  You betcha.

I have to say, at the game, I was shocked when he made the INT, and commented that he just cost us great field position. 

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Should MOS have done the reprimand in the film room, in private rather than on national TV, undoubtedly yes. 

Is MOS a passionate coach who wears his heart on his sleeve?  Of course.

Was he upset that one of his players, who had just been told to knock down a pass, was selfish and took the stat over the team?  You betcha.

I have to say, at the game, I was shocked when he made the INT, and commented that he just cost us great field position. 

O'Shea is about as calm a coach as there is in the CFL. He doesn't do anything without thinking about it. He doesn't just start talking to the media without contemplating how his words will lands. It was an out of character moment for him maybe, but it was still 100% deliberate, in my opinion.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

O'Shea is about as calm a coach as there is in the CFL. He doesn't do anything without thinking about it. He doesn't just start talking to the media without contemplating how his words will lands. It was an out of character moment for him maybe, but it was still 100% deliberate, in my opinion.

Absolutely it was deliberate and out of character for him.    Can't remember him EVER calling someone out for this.    Personally I think he is human and made an error in judgement and even though I didn't like the pick I still don't like the fact that he called out a player in public.    I'm a big MOS fan however i don't have to like everything he does either.    I was involved as a union rep for close to 20 years and never appreciated any reprimand from a supervisor in front of his peers or in public.   It's bad form plain and simple and breeds resentment and causes people to lose face.    I will never back down from my opinion and MOS would have been better off if he took Houston aside and had a talk with him and then moved on.    I'm still surprise that he defended his actions on radio instead of admitting he was wrong for doing it and accepted responsibility for his actions.    Hmmmm?

[dd]

His actions don?t need an apology whatsoever. MOS football teams played disciplined hard nosed team football. The play was a boneheaded selfish me first pad my stats play and MOS won?t stand for it nor should he. HE created the clubhouse atmosphere everyone raves about. He is loyal to his players to a fault. However, when someone steps out of line, and challenges the tenets that built this culture, he has no problem reminding everyone what?s important?play smart disciplined football. I have absolutely no problem with what he did and he doesn?t need to apologize to anyone.

[LXTSN]

His actions don?t need an apology whatsoever. MOS football teams played disciplined hard nosed team football. The play was a boneheaded selfish me first pad my stats play and MOS won?t stand for it nor should he. HE created the clubhouse atmosphere everyone raves about. He is loyal to his players to a fault. However, when someone steps out of line, and challenges the tenets that built this culture, he has no problem reminding everyone what?s important?play smart disciplined football. I have absolutely no problem with what he did and he doesn?t need to apologize to anyone.

Who cares?
He made a play on the ball and won his 1 on 1 match-up.
If you watch the clip, when he is tracking the ball and goes up for the grab, he's locked in on the ball. It would be a lot tougher to make sure he wasn't knocking the ball into the hands of another reciever trailing the play. From the birds eye view, it's pretty clear that no one is around him, but a lot tougher to look around when you're trying to track a deep ball coming at you.
Catching the ball with 37 seconds left, up 14 points, to sacrifice 40 yards... WHO CARES? Game is over!

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxUm0INmb0R95IojcvLP2D3hBTEnF1DOOt

[dd]

You should care about any play that costs you 40 yards in field position. But whatever,