Hamilton @ Winnipeg Season Opener.

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M.O.A.B.

Quote from: NewBlue on June 07, 2023, 12:04:33 PM
Fans might call for the #3 QB after 1 set of downs, but I hope to hell my team gives the #2 alot more chance to show he can do it.

In my mind Pigrome is already #2. And it could be legit soon.

Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: M.O.A.B. on June 07, 2023, 01:20:53 PM
In my mind Pigrome is already #2. And it could be legit soon.

No way. Pigrome might have had a great pre-season but there is no way he's there yet. His athletic abilities could make him valuable as a change of pace guy right away, but to play every down quarterback in the CFL you need to be able to read defenses and make good choices, over and over. Dru Brown is lightyears ahead in that regard, if only because he's been here far longer. Look at most of the success Pigrome had, athletic scrambles and fades into one-on-one coverage. I'm not saying it's not impressive, he is, but he can't go out there and do that for four quarters against starting CFL defenses. It's going to take some time.

LXTSN

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 07, 2023, 01:27:07 PM
No way. Pigrome might have had a great pre-season but there is no way he's there yet. His athletic abilities could make him valuable as a change of pace guy right away, but to play every down quarterback in the CFL you need to be able to read defenses and make good choices, over and over. Dru Brown is lightyears ahead in that regard, if only because he's been here far longer. Look at most of the success Pigrome had, athletic scrambles and fades into one-on-one coverage. I'm not saying it's not impressive, he is, but he can't go out there and do that for four quarters against starting CFL defenses. It's going to take some time.
I don't like to make judgement based on just the preseason.

HOWEVER....... Pigrome has showed that spark of potential that I don't think I've seen in a long time! Seems like he could be the full package. Is he ready to start right away? No he's not. But to say Dru Brown is lightyears away is a bit of an over reaction. He only played that one drive at the beginning of the year, and one full game later in the year (where I think he played really well).

This did get me thinking... What was the last QB prospect that you were this excited to see play?
I remember getting excited in anticipation for Taj Boyd, and Michael Bishop.

M.O.A.B.

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Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 07, 2023, 01:27:07 PM
No way. Pigrome might have had a great pre-season but there is no way he's there yet. His athletic abilities could make him valuable as a change of pace guy right away, but to play every down quarterback in the CFL you need to be able to read defenses and make good choices, over and over. Dru Brown is lightyears ahead in that regard, if only because he's been here far longer. Look at most of the success Pigrome had, athletic scrambles and fades into one-on-one coverage. I'm not saying it's not impressive, he is, but he can't go out there and do that for four quarters against starting CFL defenses. It's going to take some time.

Being here for 3 years is Dru's advantage but it would be his disadvantage also. If Piggy becomes more comfortable in this offence in no time, which is I think is very likely... then watch out Dru. I feel like Buck is seeing how he plays in Piggy so that might factor who gets the more reps/plays.

Let's say by next week Pinball (or any GM) comes knocking in Walters office dangling his 2024 first rounder (and some) for either Brown or Piggy. Who would you give?


Lincoln Locomotive

Quote from: M.O.A.B. on June 07, 2023, 01:20:53 PM
In my mind Pigrome is already #2. And it could be legit soon.
As I mentioned earlier, Dru Brown will be looking over his shoulder.....and based on how high the coaches are on Pigrome's potential to be as Buck calls it "a weapon".   Aside from last season where Dru took over a drive and won a game for us in Ottawa in game #1, he hasn't really had many opportunities to show his wares.   He did play in a nothing game late in the season starting against BC and threw two pick sixes.... and we lost that game.   It's all about shining when given opportunities and Dru is fading whereas Pigrome has been electric....words MOS used to describe his play.   If he can develop into a passer then Dru is in trouble as our #2....but that still remains to be seen.    Can't wait!!
Bomber fan for life

Pete

If it comes down to replacing Zac for a whole game I think Dru is the guy
I agree Piggy T needs a package similar to Prukop Ly. However to put too high expectations on a player based on preseason is tough. We'll need to see what he can do when defences have prepared for him. Over college he was about 57.percent passer
Situationally though he can be a very exciting pand layer ,. Probably the most exciting we've seen
Schoen didn't have this much hype prior to his great season

Sir Blue and Gold

I think that this time next year we could be having a very different discussion. The list of rookie QBs that have had success in the CFL is extremely small. All I'm saying is to keep expectations in check. It's one thing to do it for a quarter or two against backups playing vanilla defense, it's quite another to do it for four quarters against teams game planning for you. It's great that everyone is so excited, but there is a reason that very few prospects ever find a lot of success in the league, it's hard and you need to be able to read and process. That takes time for 99% of all the QB prospects I've ever seen.

Blue In BC

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You can have 2 QB's on the field at the same time. I wonder if in certain situations, the Bombers might put him in the back field as a RB?  I'd refer to that idea to fall into the trick play category. More to force the defence to account for " variations " thrown at them.

A screen behind the LOS and a 2nd pass or one that then becomes a run option.

If possible during an early game with a big lead, I'd test that / those plays out. It doesn't matter so much if it's successful but means opponents always have to account for it in their game plan.

I'm not quite sure whether a hand off to Pigrome would be as effective but it might. Is a direct snap on 2nd and 2 going to be a run or a pass?

Take no prisoners

Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 07, 2023, 02:30:55 PM
You can have 2 QB's on the field at the same time. I wonder if in certain situations, the Bombers might put him in the back field as a RB?  I'd refer to that idea to fall into the trick play category. More to force the defence to account for " variations " thrown at them.

A screen behind the LOS and a 2nd pass or one that then becomes a run option.

If possible during an early game with a big lead, I'd test that / those plays out. It doesn't matter so much if it's successful but means opponents always have to account for it in their game plan.

I'm not quite sure whether a hand off to Pigrome would be as effective but it might. Is a direct snap on 2nd and 2 going to be a run or a pass?



I don't think we would want to hand the ball off to Pigrome in a game we're up a lot. Why would we do that? The guy needs to stay healthy and develop as a CFL quarterback. The best thing we can do for him is to keep him safe, let him operate the short yardage and have some patience.

blueraid

Having Lawler in the lineup would give us an edge against Ham.....Not saying the rest of our receiving corps is lacking, it's just that Kenny puts us over the top....I'm a little concerned about our D up front but I have a feeling someone is going to step-up and fill the nose tackle spot and surprise....Will no more when the starting line-up is revealed and official on Thurs.

Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on June 07, 2023, 02:22:08 AM
I agree we can compliment our offence with Pigrome....Buck is anxious to see just how much more he has to offer, using him as a weapon on 3rd and short.    I think he throws the ball better than Strev and has amazing speed.   He's not afraid to take a blow as he puts it and neither was Strev....could be fun watching him this year!

Pigrome was originally a running back so his running style is much more polished than Strev's, he's more evasive and won't do the crashing and bashing that Strev did attempting to run people over head-on, it's too hard on the body and not sustainable long-term.  If Strev ever becomes a starting QB in the CFL, he would need to tone down the running and improve other parts of his game, much like Mike Reilly did.


VictorRomano

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 07, 2023, 02:30:55 PM
You can have 2 QB's on the field at the same time. I wonder if in certain situations, the Bombers might put him in the back field as a RB?  I'd refer to that idea to fall into the trick play category. More to force the defence to account for " variations " thrown at them.

Imagine having both QBs line up side by side in a shotgun formation and the D has no idea who the ball is going to be snapped to.....

Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Pete on June 07, 2023, 02:19:00 PM
If it comes down to replacing Zac for a whole game I think Dru is the guy
I agree Piggy T needs a package similar to Prukop Ly. However to put too high expectations on a player based on preseason is tough. We'll need to see what he can do when defences have prepared for him. Over college he was about 57.percent passer
Situationally though he can be a very exciting pand layer ,. Probably the most exciting we've seen
Schoen didn't have this much hype prior to his great season

As long as Zach stays healthy this season the pecking order won't change, Brown will be the "official backup" but Piggy will get more chances to play in certain packages and short yardage pushes, not really fair for Brown, but he seems to accept his very limited role.  If Zach misses a large part of the season, all bets are off, if Dru can't win enough games Piggy will be waiting to show O'Shea that he can. 

I believe Dru Brown becomes a F.A. next off-season, which will likely be when the team decides which direction they want to go at backup QB.  I imagine Brown will get some attention from other teams and he might move on anyway, I never really believed he would hold on long enough to be the one to replace Collaros with 3 more seasons left on his contract.

Blue In BC

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Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 07, 2023, 02:35:24 PM
I don't think we would want to hand the ball off to Pigrome in a game we're up a lot. Why would we do that? The guy needs to stay healthy and develop as a CFL quarterback. The best thing we can do for him is to keep him safe, let him operate the short yardage and have some patience.

I said why. In order to plant the seed so that opponents have to account for that later in the season. He could get hurt on a short yardage play just as easily as not. Even in short yardage it might be a drop back and pass or roll out that ends in a run. Prokop did that last year etc.

It's mentioned in this string that Pigrome was originally a RB. He's very athletic and his play package will be designed to utilize all his skills.
Take no prisoners

Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 07, 2023, 03:45:23 PM
I said why. In order to plant the seed so that opponents have to account for that later in the season. He could get hurt on a short yardage play just as easily as not. Even in short yardage it might be a drop back and pass or roll out that ends in a run. Prokop did that last year etc.

Right. Prukop ran the short yardage package. He didn't take handoffs.