Is the punting job Legghio's to lose?

[Jesse]

I think no one.  Thankfully PKers almost never get injured.

Yes, Castillo will be under pressure to instantly be better than Leggs.  To justify the roster impact I would say Castillo has to give us 3%+ FG, 5%+ PAT vs Leggs 2022 stats.  Especially in the post-season.

If Castillo merely matches Leggs, then it was a really bad move.  Hopefully the punting is a wash with the new guy.

The PR spot idea is moot as otherwise we would have PR'd him instead of the cut!  Of course, if he doesn't get picked up and Castillo gets injured or sucks rocks, maybe we can couch-snipe Leggs.  My money is on another team grabbing him first.

Same nonsense n=1 stats used to say Legs and Calvillio are the same level of kicker.

You can't look at punting average and FG% and draw conclusions.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

I think no one.  Thankfully PKers almost never get injured.

Yes, Castillo will be under pressure to instantly be better than Leggs.  To justify the roster impact I would say Castillo has to give us 3%+ FG, 5%+ PAT vs Leggs 2022 stats.  Especially in the post-season.

If Castillo merely matches Leggs, then it was a really bad move.  Hopefully the punting is a wash with the new guy.

The PR spot idea is moot as otherwise we would have PR'd him instead of the cut!  Of course, if he doesn't get picked up and Castillo gets injured or sucks rocks, maybe we can couch-snipe Leggs.  My money is on another team grabbing him first.

Castillo isn't "under pressure" to be better than anyone. He just needs to make his kicks and be mentally strong. The reality is the team doesn't care if he misses a field goal when we're up 15. They need someone they can feel comfortable with that when the game is on the line, he'll make the kick. That is what they didn't have in Liegghio and what they have with Castillo. A team needs confidence in its kicker or you get that doubt creeping in. It's hard to describe but it's a very real team dynamic.

[pdirks67]

Castillo isn't "under pressure" to be better than anyone. He just needs to make his kicks and be mentally strong. The reality is the team doesn't care if he misses a field goal when we're up 15. They need someone they can feel comfortable with that when the game is on the line, he'll make the kick. That is what they didn't have in Liegghio and what they have with Castillo. A team needs confidence in its kicker or you get that doubt creeping in. It's hard to describe but it's a very real team dynamic.

You nailed it. I was rooting for Liegghio, but I also closed my eyes when he was attempting field goals in the 4th quarter.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

You nailed it. I was rooting for Liegghio, but I also closed my eyes when he was attempting field goals in the 4th quarter.

And we're just fans. Think about the players who scratched and clawed and broke bones for three hours.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

Castillo isn't "under pressure" to be better than anyone. He just needs to make his kicks and be mentally strong. The reality is the team doesn't care if he misses a field goal when we're up 15. They need someone they can feel comfortable with that when the game is on the line, he'll make the kick. That is what they didn't have in Liegghio and what they have with Castillo. A team needs confidence in its kicker or you get that doubt creeping in. It's hard to describe but it's a very real team dynamic.

That pretty much captures Doub Brown's take on Legghio as well.    Missing those converts in the GC game really deflates a team when a guy like  Janarian Grant runs one back 100+ yards for a major score.     He seemed to do this too often and when it really mattered.    It finally caught up with him.....he needs to fix this if he wants to succeed as a starting kicker.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

That pretty much captures Doub Brown's take on Legghio as well.    Missing those converts in the GC game really deflates a team when a guy like  Janarian Grant runs one back 100+ yards for a major score.     He seemed to do this too often and when it really mattered.    It finally caught up with him.....he needs to fix this if he wants to succeed as a starting kicker.

Someone missed a convert after Piggy's first drive for a TD against Sask. on Sat., couldn't tell if it was Leggs or Castillo due to the angle and bad resolution of the streaming video.  Anyone see who it was?

[Blue In BC]

Someone missed a convert after Piggy's first drive for a TD against Sask. on Sat., couldn't tell if it was Leggs or Castillo due to the angle and bad resolution of the streaming video.  Anyone see who it was?

It was Staton IIRC.

[3rdand1.5]

I think it was Statton that missed the PAT?

[TecnoGenius]

You can't look at punting average and FG% and draw conclusions.

Uh, wha??  Kicking stats are at least half of what goes into choosing a kicker.  Maybe one needs a StatsJunkie to drill down to isolate the "important" kicks or something, but the stats totally give you a bird's eye view of what the kicker looks like.

The Leggs-bashers were always pointing to his mediocre stats.  People touting other kickers like Parades would always bring up his better stats.

Are you telling me The Mafia (and the fans) will be happy if by mid-season Castillo is doing 75% on FG and 80% on PAT??  Even if he makes every game-winning kick there will be an uproar if he is sub-par.  Castillo definitely needs to be Leggs level or above in stats, regardless of any other consideration.  Luckily, that's not too much to ask of him.

[theaardvark]

Uh, wha??  Kicking stats are at least half of what goes into choosing a kicker.  Maybe one needs a StatsJunkie to drill down to isolate the "important" kicks or something, but the stats totally give you a bird's eye view of what the kicker looks like.

The Leggs-bashers were always pointing to his mediocre stats.  People touting other kickers like Parades would always bring up his better stats.

Are you telling me The Mafia (and the fans) will be happy if by mid-season Castillo is doing 75% on FG and 80% on PAT??  Even if he makes every game-winning kick there will be an uproar if he is sub-par.  Castillo definitely needs to be Leggs level or above in stats, regardless of any other consideration.  Luckily, that's not too much to ask of him.

On the other hand, if Castillo misses three kicks in the first 8 games, but each one was for game winning points... does going 85% on FG and 100% on PAT matter one whit?

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Uh, wha??  Kicking stats are at least half of what goes into choosing a kicker.  Maybe one needs a StatsJunkie to drill down to isolate the "important" kicks or something, but the stats totally give you a bird's eye view of what the kicker looks like.

The Leggs-bashers were always pointing to his mediocre stats.  People touting other kickers like Parades would always bring up his better stats.

Are you telling me The Mafia (and the fans) will be happy if by mid-season Castillo is doing 75% on FG and 80% on PAT??  Even if he makes every game-winning kick there will be an uproar if he is sub-par.  Castillo definitely needs to be Leggs level or above in stats, regardless of any other consideration.  Luckily, that's not too much to ask of him.

Again. It depends. What is the distance? What is the weather like? What is the magnitude of the kicks? Do you have confidence that he will make it when you need it?

[Jesse]

Uh, wha??  Kicking stats are at least half of what goes into choosing a kicker.  Maybe one needs a StatsJunkie to drill down to isolate the "important" kicks or something, but the stats totally give you a bird's eye view of what the kicker looks like.

The Leggs-bashers were always pointing to his mediocre stats.  People touting other kickers like Parades would always bring up his better stats.

Are you telling me The Mafia (and the fans) will be happy if by mid-season Castillo is doing 75% on FG and 80% on PAT??  Even if he makes every game-winning kick there will be an uproar if he is sub-par.  Castillo definitely needs to be Leggs level or above in stats, regardless of any other consideration.  Luckily, that's not too much to ask of him.

Listen, we have had to shelter Legs his whole time here. We would punt rather than ask him to go for a long kick, or go for it on 3rd down when we used to get Medlock to take the points.

Calvillio's average kick attempt last year was 5 yards longer than any other kicker. You can't just look at their percentage and say they were only __% apart from each other.

[TecnoGenius]

Again. It depends. What is the distance? What is the weather like? What is the magnitude of the kicks? Do you have confidence that he will make it when you need it?

Every Leggs FG for me was a finger-crosser.  Game-winners were never more or less a given IMHO.

There seems to be this idea that Leggs was a big choker.  I recall he kicked 2(?) pressure game-winners for us in 2022, and he made that 50+ yarder to win the LDC for us.  Tell me that's not pressure in that stadium!!  He also lost us that TOR game where he couldn't even get a single.  The GC people have said he "missed" the final FG, but that's bunk as he never had the chance to get the ball past the LoS because the OL/blocking let us all down.

From my memory he was not a choker and it wasn't pressure that made him miss.  It was just a constant random chance on every kick that he'd miss.  I came to accept that, and in every GC FG/PAT I knew it was that same chance he'd miss.  And I am still pretty certain that had Sayles made his block that the final FG was getting us 3.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Every Leggs FG for me was a finger-crosser.  Game-winners were never more or less a given IMHO.

There seems to be this idea that Leggs was a big choker.  I recall he kicked 2(?) pressure game-winners for us in 2022, and he made that 50+ yarder to win the LDC for us.  Tell me that's not pressure in that stadium!!  He also lost us that TOR game where he couldn't even get a single.  The GC people have said he "missed" the final FG, but that's bunk as he never had the chance to get the ball past the LoS because the OL/blocking let us all down.

From my memory he was not a choker and it wasn't pressure that made him miss.  It was just a constant random chance on every kick that he'd miss.  I came to accept that, and in every GC FG/PAT I knew it was that same chance he'd miss.  And I am still pretty certain that had Sayles made his block that the final FG was getting us 3.

Lol.... I'll just highlight your mental gymnastics below.

Every Leggs FG for me was a finger-crosser. 

I am still pretty certain that had Sayles made his block that the final FG was getting us 3.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I think it was Statton that missed the PAT?

I don't think so, Staton was #70, pretty sure it was #13 or #14.