Is the punting job Legghio's to lose?

Started by Lincoln Locomotive, June 02, 2023, 04:33:42 PM

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Tee42

No kidding.  But to release him instead of keeping Leggs to do one job instead of all three is a mistake in my opinion.  At the end of the day it?s a business.

famicommander

Should've just kept Castillo and replaced Legghio all along. Experimenting with a long term kicking project during a Grey Cup window with a QB in his mid 30s was always a dumb move and I'm glad they finally rectified it. Just sad it was a year late.

Blue In BC

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Quote from: famicommander on June 04, 2023, 08:45:33 AM
Should've just kept Castillo and replaced Legghio all along. Experimenting with a long term kicking project during a Grey Cup window with a QB in his mid 30s was always a dumb move and I'm glad they finally rectified it. Just sad it was a year late.

3 games missed 2 of 9 FG's and 1 of 5 converts in 2021 with Winnipeg. Missed 3 of 29 with Edmonton in 2022.


Here is his career info:




Kicking
YEAR
   TEAM    GP    FGM    FGA    %    LG    C1 M    C1 A    PTS
2015
   WPG    4    10    13    76.9    48    5    6    35
2016
   OTT    2    0    0       0    0    0    0
2017
   HAM    14    29    34    85.3    57    20    21    107
2019
   BC    18    41    45    91.1    52    30    33    153
2021
   WPG    3    7    9    77.8    50    4    5    25
2022
   EDM    18    37    44    84.1    52    26    29    137
   
Total
   59    124    145    85.5    57    85    94    457
Punting
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TBURGESS

My guess is that Leggs was gone the day we signed Castillo. We kept him during TC to see if he had any trade value, which it looks like he didn't.
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Blue In BC

Quote from: TBURGESS on June 04, 2023, 02:32:17 PM
My guess is that Leggs was gone the day we signed Castillo. We kept him during TC to see if he had any trade value, which it looks like he didn't.

Castillo isn't going to be the punter though, so that's not exactly accurate. It might be more accurate to say that about once we drafted 2 global punters.

Canadians always have some trade value even if it's a late round pick or neg list player. I guess we'll see if or when he's picked up by another team.

I wonder if he might consider a PR spot with the Bombers if he doesn't get any other offers? We don't have a back up kicker and is the global punter on the PR really a better option? Those that went to practices would have more input and obviously the rookie would be more likely to accept a PR spot initially.

There is going to be a lot of pressure on both kickers. One shank or missed PAT or FG and some will be screaming.

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GOLDMEMBER

Quote from: ModAdmin on June 04, 2023, 05:54:07 AM
It's not about unfairly roasting players.  Lieggio missed  few field goals and converts during the season and missed the most important field goal attempt in the '22 Grey Cup.  It is the sole reason why significant competition was brought in to potentially upgrade that position this year.  Coaches and management were clearly not content to go into '23 with that position unchallenged.
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TBURGESS

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 04, 2023, 02:40:31 PM
Castillo isn't going to be the punter though, so that's not exactly accurate. It might be more accurate to say that about once we drafted 2 global punters.

Canadians always have some trade value even if it's a late round pick or neg list player. I guess we'll see if or when he's picked up by another team.

I wonder if he might consider a PR spot with the Bombers if he doesn't get any other offers? We don't have a back up kicker and is the global punter on the PR really a better option? Those that went to practices would have more input and obviously the rookie would be more likely to accept a PR spot initially.

There is going to be a lot of pressure on both kickers. One shank or missed PAT or FG and some will be screaming.
Maybe we drafted the global kickers because we weren't going with Leggs.
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Throw Long Bannatyne

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Quote from: Blue In BC on June 04, 2023, 02:40:31 PM
Castillo isn't going to be the punter though, so that's not exactly accurate. It might be more accurate to say that about once we drafted 2 global punters.

Canadians always have some trade value even if it's a late round pick or neg list player. I guess we'll see if or when he's picked up by another team.

I wonder if he might consider a PR spot with the Bombers if he doesn't get any other offers? We don't have a back up kicker and is the global punter on the PR really a better option? Those that went to practices would have more input and obviously the rookie would be more likely to accept a PR spot initially.

There is going to be a lot of pressure on both kickers. One shank or missed PAT or FG and some will be screaming.



Bauming mentioned on his podcast that Leggs was inconsistent with his FG attempts throughoughout TC, so that is an indication he tried to improve his accuracy but so far has been unable to achieve it.  I'm not sure elite athletes can be developed in their mid 20's, I think the transition to elite actually has to take place when they're 10 or 12.

Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 04, 2023, 02:40:31 PM
Castillo isn't going to be the punter though, so that's not exactly accurate. It might be more accurate to say that about once we drafted 2 global punters.

Canadians always have some trade value even if it's a late round pick or neg list player. I guess we'll see if or when he's picked up by another team.

I wonder if he might consider a PR spot with the Bombers if he doesn't get any other offers? We don't have a back up kicker and is the global punter on the PR really a better option? Those that went to practices would have more input and obviously the rookie would be more likely to accept a PR spot initially.

There is going to be a lot of pressure on both kickers. One shank or missed PAT or FG and some will be screaming.



You're still confused by this? Liegghio was primarily a place kicker. He has grown and worked on his punting at the pro level but it isn't his strength (and wasn't supposed to be). Medlock wasn't the world's best punter either but you can get away with it if you are a great field goal guy. As soon as the Bombers lost faith in Liegghio as a place kicker he was on thin ice. Once Castillo took his job he had to make it as a punter only, and that's where he loses because despite all you say, he's a very average punter.

Castillo is going to miss kicks. Sheahan is going to shank a few. Both are evidently better options than Liegghio according to the team that has been to three straight Grey Cups. Cripes.

the paw

Quote from: TBURGESS on June 04, 2023, 03:39:20 PM
Maybe we drafted the global kickers because we weren't going with Leggs.

Yes, the fact that we signed 2 kickers and 2 punters before Castillo was even available meant Legghio was a dead man walking.  Sergio was just the final nail in the coffin.

It would not surprise me if Legs surfaces in Edmonton.  Faithfull is Awfull, and the signed one of Ottawas cuts as their starting punter.
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Blue In BC

Quote from: TBURGESS on June 04, 2023, 03:39:20 PM
Maybe we drafted the global kickers because we weren't going with Leggs.

Not every player drafted makes a roster. Nearly half the global players drafted were kickers since pickings are slim at other positions. If they KNEW they weren't going with him, they may as well have released him before TC.

It would have been good to at least have some imports that could kick and punt in TC.  Castillo has punting experience so he's a back up if needed. Is Sheahan significantly better than him at the moment?
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Blue In BC

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Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 04, 2023, 03:44:09 PM
You're still confused by this? Liegghio was primarily a place kicker. He has grown and worked on his punting at the pro level but it isn't his strength (and wasn't supposed to be). Medlock wasn't the world's best punter either but you can get away with it if you are a great field goal guy. As soon as the Bombers lost faith in Liegghio as a place kicker he was on thin ice. Once Castillo took his job he had to make it as a punter only, and that's where he loses because despite all you say, he's a very average punter.

Castillo is going to miss kicks. Sheahan is going to shank a few. Both are evidently better options than Liegghio according to the team that has been to three straight Grey Cups. Cripes.

I'm not confused by any of this. He may have been average but the global player had to beat him out and did. That wasn't a " dead man walking " situation. We drafted 2 kickers in 2021 and neither even reported to TC.

Sheahan might turn out to be the best thing since sliced bread. I hope he is better but that's the same question for any rookie that makes a roster.

Like I said, if he was dead man walking then why even bring him to camp?  His odds of surviving may not have been good but he had a chance to show improvement
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Tee42

Leggs will land somewhere, it?s too bad it didn?t happen before teams started firming up their rosters.  

Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 04, 2023, 03:44:09 PM
You're still confused by this? Liegghio was primarily a place kicker. He has grown and worked on his punting at the pro level but it isn't his strength (and wasn't supposed to be). Medlock wasn't the world's best punter either but you can get away with it if you are a great field goal guy. As soon as the Bombers lost faith in Liegghio as a place kicker he was on thin ice. Once Castillo took his job he had to make it as a punter only, and that's where he loses because despite all you say, he's a very average punter.

Castillo is going to miss kicks. Sheahan is going to shank a few. Both are evidently better options than Liegghio according to the team that has been to three straight Grey Cups. Cripes.

This has become a costly transition for the Bombers in terms of roster spots, they've gone from having one Natl. kicker with a PR backup to two rostered players that count against the ratio plus one PR punter, not even sure who's backing up FG's now.