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« on: May 23, 2023, 11:59:43 AM »

Anyone have any insight as to what is happening? Did he suffer an off season injury training that resulted in being suspended until healthy? Other personal problems?  Is he on the sidelines at camp?
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2023, 03:12:16 PM »

Anyone have any insight as to what is happening? Did he suffer an off season injury training that resulted in being suspended until healthy? Other personal problems?  Is he on the sidelines at camp?
Osh mentioned something about "personal matters"?
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2023, 03:17:01 PM »

The Grant situation is a little odd. They also haven't said why Bighill hasn't practiced yet either.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2023, 04:09:07 PM »

Osh mentioned something about "personal matters"?

He didn't mention when or even if he'd return. Personal matters could be business, family or health I suppose. I don't think he needs a lot of TC time but he needs some to get into game shape. If he's not back after this weekends game, I would be begin to wonder if he'll be here game 1. He could miss some of the early season getting into game shape.
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2023, 05:54:06 PM »

He didn't mention when or even if he'd return. Personal matters could be business, family or health I suppose. I don't think he needs a lot of TC time but he needs some to get into game shape. If he's not back after this weekends game, I would be begin to wonder if he'll be here game 1. He could miss some of the early season getting into game shape.

I seem to recall Grant signing at the last moment last year as well, not sure he was here the entire camp.
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2023, 06:32:45 PM »

Well, the kid they signed recently sounds like a potential replacement......hmmm!
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2023, 07:06:48 PM »

I seem to recall Grant signing at the last moment last year as well, not sure he was here the entire camp.

As far as I know he was here for the entire camp in 2022. He signed a 1 year extension in Feb 2023. So he's under contract, not a free agent.
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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2023, 07:09:10 PM »

Well, the kid they signed recently sounds like a potential replacement......hmmm!

There is never a shortage of candidates from DB's and Receivers in camp that might be returners as well. The newbie might be looked at for that role as a DI if necessary, or it could be a few others as well.
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2023, 07:30:18 PM »

There is never a shortage of candidates from DB's and Receivers in camp that might be returners as well. The newbie might be looked at for that role as a DI if necessary, or it could be a few others as well.

It seems the trend of using a starter to also do returns is disappearing, more and more teams going with a specialised return man.
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2023, 02:25:15 AM »

It seems the trend of using a starter to also do returns is disappearing, more and more teams going with a specialised return man.
I agree with this strategy to protect your starters from injury and wear and tear.
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2023, 12:33:06 PM »

It seems the trend of using a starter to also do returns is disappearing, more and more teams going with a specialised return man.

I wouldn't entirely agree with that. Many teams use the returner on some plays on offence or defence. Bombers use Grant on a few plays each game for example. There is a fine line that is dependant on the game action.  Limited rosters means many starters work on ST's.

EDIT: Grant had 94 kick returns ( punts or K/O ) in 16 games = 6 per game average more or less.

On offence he had 14 touches in 16 games= less than 1 per game average.  That's not an excessive workload. It depends on when he is involved in an offensive play. IE: if he returns a punt 30 yards, I wouldn't expect to see him as the prime target on the next offensive play ect etc.

In Vancouver, Whitehead had about 80 touches on offence. Obviously on the field more than actual touches. However he also returned 14 punts.
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2023, 12:54:38 PM »

Grant is a huge piece of our puzzle and he had a phenomenal season and was impactful in both the Western final and the GC.    I hope he's ok!
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2023, 04:06:21 PM »

I agree, he is NFL calibre.  Great returner.
I like all our guys.

What's Hurl doing these days?  Is Hurl better than Gauthier as a MLB if Biggy is out indefinitely.  Is Bighill's injury leg related, or Neck/back related  Anyone have some info?

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We still have a long way to go before we play any significant meaningful games.  But the "country club" list is not what makes a good team.
Hmmmmmm!
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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2023, 04:14:51 PM »

I agree, he is NFL calibre.  Great returner.
I like all our guys.

What's Hurl doing these days?  Is Hurl better than Gauthier as a MLB if Biggy is out indefinitely.  Is Bighill's injury leg related, or Neck/back related  Anyone have some info?

Please and Thanks.

We still have a long way to go before we play any significant meaningful games.  But the "country club" list is not what makes a good team.
Hmmmmmm!

No to Hurl. I'd think we'd see an import rookie at MLB if Bighill can't go. Gauthier also getting some reps.
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2023, 04:49:18 PM »

I wouldn't entirely agree with that. Many teams use the returner on some plays on offence or defence. Bombers use Grant on a few plays each game for example. There is a fine line that is dependant on the game action.  Limited rosters means many starters work on ST's.

EDIT: Grant had 94 kick returns ( punts or K/O ) in 16 games = 6 per game average more or less.

On offence he had 14 touches in 16 games= less than 1 per game average.  That's not an excessive workload. It depends on when he is involved in an offensive play. IE: if he returns a punt 30 yards, I wouldn't expect to see him as the prime target on the next offensive play ect etc.

In Vancouver, Whitehead had about 80 touches on offence. Obviously on the field more than actual touches. However he also returned 14 punts.

Grant is exactly the kind of specialist I'm referring to, he may get in on the occasional offensive play but he receives a fairly insignificant number of reps..  If it wasn't for his kick return abilities I doubt he would be on the team, especially now with a loaded receiving corps. 

Almost gone are the days when a player like Kevin Fogg would play a full shift in the secondary then drop back to receive punts.  It can be done but probably not the best idea, mainly because it's exhausting and secondarily it puts the health of a starting positional player at higher risk.
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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2023, 05:03:54 PM »


What's Hurl doing these days?  Is Hurl better than Gauthier as a MLB if Biggy is out indefinitely.  Is Bighill's injury leg related, or Neck/back related  Anyone have some info?



Sometimes I can't figure out if you are trying to be funny, or it just your natural state.

As to MLB, isn't Cole competing well at that spot?  Or has he been at WIL?
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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2023, 05:22:06 PM »

Cole has been playing mostly at weakside linebacker, if we need someone to play mlb I would think it would be Gautier Barrington or Clements (if Clements Cole or Gautier would move to outside.) We have lots of linebackers including Briggs and Caldwalder (who i think has potential at outside lb)
Im more concerned with DE if Jeffcoat is hurt at any point.
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« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2023, 06:16:49 PM »

Hey Ards,  I like to raise points that could start an idea, and then a conversation.  However, Mr. Hurl and getting him back, was a joke. Not that he was a joke.  Did the Bombers's defence always sent him to cover the  least dangerous receiver?  whatever, he had to have been used in a different "scheme"

And rest not, They did some weird things with him,  Thank god for Mr. Bighill.  I actually think he is extremely good, and shouldn't all teams  employ guys from Oklahoma or Texas?

So, again, I like to provide points for consideration, except in Mr. Hurl's case. Smiley

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« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2023, 10:50:25 PM »

Hey Ards,  I like to raise points that could start an idea, and then a conversation.  However, Mr. Hurl and getting him back, was a joke. Not that he was a joke.  Did the Bombers's defence always sent him to cover the  least dangerous receiver?  whatever, he had to have been used in a different "scheme"

And rest not, They did some weird things with him,  Thank god for Mr. Bighill.  I actually think he is extremely good, and shouldn't all teams  employ guys from Oklahoma or Texas?

So, again, I like to provide points for consideration, except in Mr. Hurl's case. Smiley

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Discussing the return of Hurl is out there man.  Our existing players can fill that role on a temporary rotating basis and new faces will emerge.

I am with Ards hard to tell at times if your posts are serious
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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2023, 01:55:15 PM »

Thanks! (for reading  them)

OK seriously. Do you really think Briggs or Gauthier can be successful as an every down player?
I do not.  I think Gauthier is lumbering  and hard pressed to get to the hole to make a tackle.
Briggs is more of he old school Outside LB.  He could cover some RBs.

Both guys would be over matched with faster guys.  Not fast enough for my defence.  (Good as  emergency replacements, and special teams for Briggs

Luckily, we don't need them as every down guys.
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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2023, 03:44:11 PM »

Thanks! (for reading  them)

OK seriously. Do you really think Briggs or Gauthier can be successful as an every down player?
I do not.  I think Gauthier is lumbering  and hard pressed to get to the hole to make a tackle.
Briggs is more of he old school Outside LB.  He could cover some RBs.

Both guys would be over matched with faster guys.  Not fast enough for my defence.  (Good as  emergency replacements, and special teams for Briggs

Luckily, we don't need them as every down guys.

You do remember Gauthier's season saving "run him down from behind" tackle, right?  https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=737658150426882

Not first choice as everyday MLB, but probably better than, say, Hurl...
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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2023, 04:35:11 PM »

You do remember Gauthier's season saving "run him down from behind" tackle, right?  https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=737658150426882

Not first choice as everyday MLB, but probably better than, say, Hurl...

Yes, he's a fine special teamer.
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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2023, 05:26:52 PM »

I am fine with Gauthier jumping for a few plays each game.
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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2023, 06:11:52 PM »

Yes Gauthier and Briggs are awesome subs.
Better yet greater football players.  Maybe the best at their positions.  It's just that USA guys are probably 5/10 of a second faster.  But that is a MLB vs. A RB, in some cases.

And then that's  a coaches erroneous decision.  I do not expect a run stuffer to run around with Jarrion Grant.

And this is a rare situation.
And sorry I vaguely remember Gauthier make a run down from behind tackle.  If he is that good. maybe a time to start thinking about Biggie.... But are they not both nearin their expiry dates, so to speak.

But heh!  Aren't we all?
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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2023, 06:22:50 PM »

Gauthier and Briggs will retire here and continue to contribute to our success at very good rotational backups that can start in a pinch.
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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2023, 01:40:09 PM »

so any further news on Janarion.....that's what this post was about
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« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2023, 01:50:45 PM »

so any further news on Janarion.....that's what this post was about

Not practicing, not playing in Edmonton.
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« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2023, 02:15:47 PM »

Not practicing, not playing in Edmonton.

Grant also saw his offensive workload increase slightly, as he had six receptions for 54 yards and added 74 yards on eight carries.

On February 3, 2023 Grant signed a one-year contract extension to remain with the club.

Nobody has actually said whether he's on the sidelines. If he is that would be more encouraging than not in Winnipeg at all. It might suggest some sort of off season injury he is dealing with at the moment.

If he's not in Winnipeg by early next week, that becomes more of an issue although what the issue might be in unknown to posters. It could be as uncomplicated as finishing dealing with some family or business issue. Or it could be wanting to re-negotiate his contract or considering retiring. Even as a relatively well paid returner, his career path may be a greater incentive financially?

I have no expectation of him being replaced per se as our returner unless it becomes necessary due to absence.

EDIT: Ok, reported that he is dealing with an injury. To what extent we'll see. When healthy he is in the top 2 CFL returners. Want him back soon to resolve that issue.

So we'll see who gets chances during pre season to potentially fill that role. Several possibilities including McCrae and a bunch of pure rookie receivers, RB's and DB's that might get a role.
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« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2023, 03:11:22 AM »

Todays game returners look like they didn?t want to chase Grants job! Underwhelming performance.
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« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2023, 02:30:51 PM »

Todays game returners look like they didn?t want to chase Grants job! Underwhelming performance.
we haven't had a guy like Grant for a long while....he's electric and was a huge factor in us beating BC and almost winning our 3rd successive GC....not to be understated that we need him back....I hope he's ok and he did miss games last season due to injury
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« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2023, 02:38:16 PM »

Holm seems to have made the team as a DB, and he looked pretty good in the past as a returner... would not mind seeing him returning next game...
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« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2023, 03:44:46 PM »

Holm seems to have made the team as a DB, and he looked pretty good in the past as a returner... would not mind seeing him returning next game...

They may not want to use a starting DB in the role ( if he makes the team as a starter ). If he makes the roster as a DI, then possibly that works.  I think he has a good chance to be a starter game 1, but we'll see.

As a returner he has very good speed. Whether he has the elusiveness a returner needs, I'm not as certain. None of our returners yesterday looked like they had that either.  Also there is a difference in being the hammer versus the nail. It's a different mental aspect he may or may not have. Looking at 2022 stats he only had 4 punt returns. So small sample.
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« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2023, 04:56:48 PM »

Certainly didn't see a Grant replacement in that game....I hope Janarion checks in this week Roll Eyes
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« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2023, 11:48:36 PM »

It's really hard to evaluate returners on TV. Hard to see the kick trajectory, blocking, etc.
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