Started by Blue In BC, February 27, 2023, 05:43:32 PM
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 28, 2023, 05:11:36 PMIf we only have 2 DI's and 2 of the Nationalized come from the " list mentioned ", doesn't that reduce the number of Americans on the roster by 2? All of those players are starters.Even Collaros qualifies as a Nationalized player. There isn't anybody on the list except Grant that I want to see have less reps. Hence the issue of the entire Nationalized concept.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 28, 2023, 06:09:39 PMNope. You still have 20 Americans per game day roster (not including QBs). Usually, 16 of the Americans start. The remaining 4 can be DIs/nationalized players (2 each). What the change is trying to do is instead of the DIs only being allowed to sub for American players, 2 could also sub for Canadian players (and 3 next year) for 49% of snaps. Of course you don't want any of those guys to have less snaps. But let's say Demski and O'Leary Orange are hurt. We have no good roster options to start a Canadian there any longer. So, you have to roster an American WR and make up the ratio somewhere else. In the past, that means an American starter loses his starting spot for no real fault of his own. In our current roster make-up, honestly, it's probably Alexander for Nick Hallett as that drop off didn't crush us last year. Or maybe Clements/Wilson for Gauthier. Instead of completely sitting Alexander or Clements/Wilson (or playing a Rifles receiver, gah) we could platoon the position with Wilson and Gauthier or Hallett and Alexander and play an American at WR. Got it? It's a win-win.
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 28, 2023, 07:39:31 PMI get what this is trying to do. As I've said from the beginning it falls to who the 4 DI / Nationalized players turn out to be. That's where we currently lose any advantage. Sure if Demski is injured we could insert Agudosi as an option. The two fold problem is that Agudosi is not on the game day roster as a DI and we'd have to bench Alexander for half the game.IMO we'd actually continue to play another Canadian ( O'Leary-Orange ) both in game and on going if a starting Canadian receiver is injured.Essentially a given team needs 2 veteran imports that don't normally start to be part of the 4 extra imports. Whether they are called DI's or Nationalized is clerical.Brings me back to a player like Coleman who would fit the bill. Walker moves to a starting role and Coleman replaces him in the rotation player role.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 28, 2023, 07:54:02 PMI think you're sort of thinking about it wrong. It's less of an in-game injury thing and more of a way to deal with long term injuries. You're not going to try and roster experienced imports in case a Canadian gets hurt in the 3rd quarter. You're going to use the flexibility over the medium-long term if you get a bunch of injuries to your Canadian starters for which there's no real ability to have much depth for.
Quote from: the paw on February 28, 2023, 11:34:53 PMI think you have the correct perspective. Blue in BC, bless his heart, seems to get vapour-locked on the how the new nationalized players interface with the DI designation. We've been around the mulberry bush on this issue awhile ago. To be fair, the league hasn't really spelled out how this works from a procedural view, so there are some leaps in logic and assumptions that need to be made, and we will have to see how it works in practice.My own theory is that teams are likely to use the new status players in positions that already see a high degree of rotation and substitution. I think this will happen through "triangulation", using 3 players to fill 2 positions. Example will be the MLB and WIL positions. The Bombers could designate Bighill as a nationalized CDN and DI and use him in rotation with Kyrie Wilson and Gauthier.Why would we sit Bighill? We already give him regular rests in the defensive rotation. In this 3 person example, let's assume (for purposes of easy math) there are 100 defensive snaps in a game. Between MLB and WIL there are 200 reps available. We need to play Gauthier for 55 snaps for him to count as a starter. Bighill, as the DI/Naturalized can play 45 snaps, but he can also come in as a sub for Wilson, for say 30 snaps. That scenario works out with Bighill at 75 snaps, Wilson at 70 snaps and Gauthier at 55 snaps. So, counterintuitively, Bighill plays the most snaps even though he is the DI. I could see a lot of teams using this approach at DE, although in the Bombers case, I don't see the Cdn DE who makes it work. On offence, I think the two-man platooning between Janarion Grant and Wolitarsky is most likely, although I would not expect it to get a ton of use. Grant hasn't established himself as an effective downfield receiver, and since the Bombers tend to use their DIs on defence, I don't see them adding another one to the offensive side. I could be wrong though....
Quote from: pjrocksmb on March 01, 2023, 12:14:20 AMThis discussion continues to offer some insight to this new option, thanks all.
Quote from: the paw on February 28, 2023, 11:34:53 PMI think you have the correct perspective. Blue in BC, bless his heart, seems to get vapour-locked on the how the new nationalized players interface with the DI designation.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on February 28, 2023, 09:52:19 PMOne thing to consider - the 2 teams whose nationals play the most snaps during the season get a bonus draft pick at the end of the 2nd round. There is an incentive to not take full advantage of the naturalized American rules.