Dakota Prukop

Started by Norm W, February 15, 2023, 02:32:55 PM

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Headed to the USFL...

Not going to be an easy guy for the Bombers to replace, he was trending towards a Streveler 2.0 type guy, he ran the ball really well and had success moving the ball when called upon.

USFL has a short season that ends in April?
Extra playing time?
Is there potential that he turns up in a May CFL training camp looking sharp out of the gate?
Move up somebodies list from a #3 short yardage guy to a #2 or even a starter?

Makes for a really long football season for him...

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If he makes a roster he might be bound to a 2 year contract that only allows an exit to the NFL.  That's if he makes a roster in the 1st place. I don't know what his chances of achieving that are at the moment.

The problem for any player not signed shortly is that a given team will look to find a replacement. We may be looking at O'Conner for example or have several neg list players that might be signed very quickly.

It's a question of what happens 1st to understand if the door is still open.

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Quote from: Blue In BC on February 15, 2023, 03:13:26 PM
If he makes a roster he might be bound to a 2 year contract that only allows an exit to the NFL.  That's if he makes a roster in the 1st place. I don't know what his chances of achieving that are at the moment.

The problem for any player not signed shortly is that a given team will look to find a replacement. We may be looking at O'Conner for example or have several neg list players that might be signed very quickly.

It's a question of what happens 1st to understand if the door is still open.



I think O'Connor is soft.  I am not interested in him as our 3rd down specialist, nor as having long term developmental potential.  If we are looking for a third down guy, I would be way more interested in Pipkin. 
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LXTSN

I've brought up Malik Cunningham from our neg list a few times, and I think he could be that answer.
He's a little lighter on his feet than guys like Strev or Prukop, but he is a dual threat QB and I do think he could be explosive in that role.
I don't think he will be drafted into the NFL, but I believe he has committed. Probably a better chance that he signs in the USFL but if I were the Bombers, I'd be chasing him down.

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Quote from: the paw on February 15, 2023, 03:31:05 PM
I think O'Connor is soft.  I am not interested in him as our 3rd down specialist, nor as having long term developmental potential.  If we are looking for a third down guy, I would be way more interested in Pipkin. 

I don't really want either of those choices but used O'Conner as an example. I'd rather find a rookie with better upside on an ELC. The # 3 QB should be the development QB.
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Wow. I'm not concerned with replacing him at all.
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Walters addressed the 3rd qb situation. Its no longer a developemental position, rather it is a position onto its own with a particular skill set. i.e. high mobility, abiltiy to make 3rd and ones etc. In fact he went on to say that if we were looking for replacement they likely wouldnt even get many reps in running  the offence.
Why Prukop wants to leave I would guess is because he wants the reps to prove he can be at least a number 2 qb.

theaardvark

Sounds like we are looking for a hybrid 3rd QB, to do SY and special packages, and backup Brown.

Someone like Kai Locksley in Edm...

I imagine there are lots of NCAA QB's with that skillset that are sitting waiting for a phone to ring...   

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Quote from: Pete on February 15, 2023, 05:35:55 PM
Walters addressed the 3rd qb situation. Its no longer a developemental position, rather it is a position onto its own with a particular skill set. i.e. high mobility, abiltiy to make 3rd and ones etc. In fact he went on to say that if we were looking for replacement they likely wouldnt even get many reps in running  the offence.
Why Prukop wants to leave I would guess is because he wants the reps to prove he can be at least a number 2 qb.


Maybe so, but I still would be ok having Dru Brown do all the SY this year if only to just see the field more and get live fire reps.
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He was great on short yardage and goal-line.   He made several big plays on 3rd down short yardage situations.....he also was Legghio's holder so he will need to get a new one.   With Dru as #2 he was never going to get a shot at it so I can see where he might move on to another team for that opportunity.....

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Quote from: Norm W on February 15, 2023, 02:32:55 PM
Headed to the USFL...

Not going to be an easy guy for the Bombers to replace, he was trending towards a Streveler 2.0 type guy, he ran the ball really well and had success moving the ball when called upon.

USFL has a short season that ends in April?
Extra playing time?
Is there potential that he turns up in a May CFL training camp looking sharp out of the gate?
Move up somebodies list from a #3 short yardage guy to a #2 or even a starter?

Makes for a really long football season for him...

Prukop could also get cut and be back before T.C. opens.  Pipkin is the only available CFL QB that currently fits the mold as a 3rd down specialist, but don't think he will play for the price they're looking to pay, so they'll probably bring in a  newcomer.

Sec227

Get Evans on the cheap. He has no where to go now. May calm his nerves or whatever ailed him last year watching Zach play.

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I think I agree to find a good NCAA QB RPO specialty guy for short yardage. Should not be hard to find.
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Quote from: blue_or_die on February 15, 2023, 05:50:34 PM
Maybe so, but I still would be ok having Dru Brown do all the SY this year if only to just see the field more and get live fire reps.

Brown is the #2 guy until proven otherwise and I don't think they are going to take risks with him on short yardage.
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Quote from: blue_or_die on February 15, 2023, 05:50:34 PM
Maybe so, but I still would be ok having Dru Brown do all the SY this year if only to just see the field more and get live fire reps.

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Brown is the #2 guy until proven otherwise and I don't think they are going to take risks with him on short yardage.

Ya, no way Brown is doing SY.  He's not a big guy, and IIRC wasn't too hot the few times he stayed in to do SY.

Is McGuire doing anything?  If he stayed in shape, give him a call.  He was nearly as good as Prukop and LeFevor.

Otherwise, ya, we probably go new guy on ELC and roll the dice.  Not many guys in the CFL at the mo that would fit our need.  Well, ones that aren't taken yet.  Dom would be good, but he's taken, and the bridge is probably burned.  Caleb is taken, I think?  And probably still wants to be a #2 rather than a SY.  Pipkin will be taken, and he's kind of small anyhow.  Not really any energetic bruisers like Strev and McGuire still left for SY duty.
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Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 16, 2023, 02:14:07 AM
Ya, no way Brown is doing SY.  He's not a big guy, and IIRC wasn't too hot the few times he stayed in to do SY.

Is McGuire doing anything?  If he stayed in shape, give him a call.  He was nearly as good as Prukop and LeFevor.

Otherwise, ya, we probably go new guy on ELC and roll the dice.  Not many guys in the CFL at the mo that would fit our need.  Well, ones that aren't taken yet.  Dom would be good, but he's taken, and the bridge is probably burned.  Caleb is taken, I think?  And probably still wants to be a #2 rather than a SY.  Pipkin will be taken, and he's kind of small anyhow.  Not really any energetic bruisers like Strev and McGuire still left for SY duty.


Pipkin is actually 6'-3" 225 lbs., makes me wonder why they're brining in Dom Davis who is 6'-4" 215 lbs. and 6 years older at 33. 



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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 16, 2023, 03:36:42 AM
Pipkin is actually 6'-3" 225 lbs., makes me wonder why they're brining in Dom Davis who is 6'-4" 215 lbs. and 6 years older at 33. 





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Quote from: ModAdmin on February 15, 2023, 06:50:25 PM
Brown is the #2 guy until proven otherwise and I don't think they are going to take risks with him on short yardage.

I know it's fallen out of favour over the last several years but that's exactly how it always used to work.
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I think its changed because over the past few seasons the amount of qbs getting injured is higher, and every time a team has a developemental qb that showe promise, by the time they have "developed "they lose them ihe next season to free agency Another factor is that there are less quality prospects available with all the new leagues

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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 16, 2023, 03:36:42 AM
Pipkin is actually 6'-3" 225 lbs., makes me wonder why they're brining in Dom Davis who is 6'-4" 215 lbs. and 6 years older at 33. 

Hmm, he doesn't look that big on field.  He's never impressed me at all.  I guess his name makes him sound smaller than he actually is.  Pipkin: Pippin (LoTR), or Pip (Great Expectations).

I guess if he can do SY, then you could do worse than him.  I would have rather had Dom back though, TBH.  I really think and want a brand new blood guy from down south.  The next McGuire or Feve.

Or... one day Strev will be canned from the NFL... Why not woo Strev back and promise him the reigns after Zach leaves after '25?  Strev might have developed into a legit QB1 by then.
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Agreed.  It's the first thing I check in the forum. Uu know,  Maybe we are signing him?....wishful thinking.  NY Jets love him.
But I am still hoping

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Streveler isn't coming back to the CFL. As much as I'd love to see him back here, he's got solid footing the NFL.
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We have an opening for QB3.  Most QB's that have played even a cup of coffee in the NFL, or have started a game in the CFL will be out of our price range, unless they are desperate for a job.
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Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 17, 2023, 03:31:23 PM
Streveler isn't coming back to the CFL. As much as I'd love to see him back here, he's got solid footing the NFL.

In his recent interview with Cameron and Tait, he said If things go sideways for him in the NFL, he'd definitely consider playing in the CFL again and almost did so before catching on with the NY Jets.  Distinct possibility.

theaardvark

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 17, 2023, 04:59:49 PM
In his recent interview with Cameron and Tait, he said If things go sideways for him in the NFL, he'd definitely consider playing in the CFL again and almost did so before catching on with the NY Jets.  Distinct possibility.

Much as I love Streveler, unless he doesn't care what he gets paid, I can't see him in Blue and Gold as long as Collaros is our #1 and getting top CFL QB$.  There will be a team willing to pay him a significant amount more than what a QB3 makes, or even a QB2...

But, if he just wants to come "home" and play for the love of it, I'm sure we will find a way to fit him on the roster...
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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 17, 2023, 04:59:49 PM
In his recent interview with Cameron and Tait, he said If things go sideways for him in the NFL, he'd definitely consider playing in the CFL again and almost did so before catching on with the NY Jets.  Distinct possibility.

I can't see things going sideways for him in the NFL, though. At least not any time soon as he just signed a two-year contract with the NY Jets.

Don't get me wrong: I'd love to see him back here. I just wouldn't bet on it.
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I have the impression, he likes the boys up here, and since he is now set for life, why not come back and play some meaningful minutes.  Money wouldn't be his incentive.

That's my "romantic" point of view.  Probably not realistic, but, would you wanna sit around without  the comradery a team offers., or come home and  have a blast going foe another Cup.  Porch sitting, or running over 175 pd DBs????? . :)

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Quote from: DM83 on February 17, 2023, 07:56:04 PM
I have the impression, he likes the boys up here, and since he is now set for life, why not come back and play some meaningful minutes.  Money wouldn't be his incentive.

That's my "romantic" point of view.  Probably not realistic, but, would you wanna sit around without  the comradery a team offers., or come home and  have a blast going foe another Cup.  Porch sitting, or running over 175 pd DBs????? . :)

Set for life?  His NFL pension is like $12k... and he's probably earned almost as much in the CFL as he has in the NFL... so hardly set for life.  If he gets rostered for the next couple years on teh Jets, sure... but no where near set yet.
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Quote from: theaardvark on February 17, 2023, 06:18:30 PM
Much as I love Streveler, unless he doesn't care what he gets paid, I can't see him in Blue and Gold as long as Collaros is our #1 and getting top CFL QB$.  There will be a team willing to pay him a significant amount more than what a QB3 makes, or even a QB2...

But, if he just wants to come "home" and play for the love of it, I'm sure we will find a way to fit him on the roster...

He wants be a starter, so he will go to whichever CFL destination offers him that opportunity.

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Quote from: theaardvark on February 17, 2023, 08:52:33 PM
Set for life?  His NFL pension is like $12k... and he's probably earned almost as much in the CFL as he has in the NFL... so hardly set for life.  If he gets rostered for the next couple years on teh Jets, sure... but no where near set yet.
This is just silly. He likely earned less than 300k here even with GC bonus's. We know for sure he's made more than 2 million in 3 years in the NFL.
2 million isn't set for life, but that's a huge start!

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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 17, 2023, 08:57:22 PM
He wants be a starter, so he will go to whichever CFL destination offers him that opportunity.
We don't know that either. He seems to be happy in a back up role for the Jets.

Do you think he would be a better starter than a guy like Cody Fajardo or Matt Shiltz? I don't think there is a team that would have more value in him than the bombers.

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Quote from: theaardvark on February 17, 2023, 08:52:33 PM
Set for life?  His NFL pension is like $12k... and he's probably earned almost as much in the CFL as he has in the NFL... so hardly set for life.  If he gets rostered for the next couple years on teh Jets, sure... but no where near set yet.

It's not hard to open source search a player's earnings.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/chris-streveler-47304/cash-earnings/

He's made nearly $1.6M so far in the NFL (approx. three seasons). And he just signed a two-year contract last month worth over $2M. That'd put his NFL career earnings just shy of $4M after the 2024 season.

He'd be nowhere close to that had he stayed in the CFL.
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Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 17, 2023, 09:46:18 PM
It's not hard to open source search a player's earnings.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/chris-streveler-47304/cash-earnings/

He's made nearly $1.6M so far in the NFL (approx. three seasons). And he just signed a two-year contract last month worth over $2M. That'd put his NFL career earnings just shy of $4M after the 2024 season.

He'd be nowhere close to that had he stayed in the CFL.

Yes, if his NFL earnings are just shy of 4 million after 2024, he will be set for life if he is smart with his money.

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Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 17, 2023, 09:46:18 PM
It's not hard to open source search a player's earnings.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/chris-streveler-47304/cash-earnings/

He's made nearly $1.6M so far in the NFL (approx. three seasons). And he just signed a two-year contract last month worth over $2M. That'd put his NFL career earnings just shy of $4M after the 2024 season.

He'd be nowhere close to that had he stayed in the CFL.

No one is arguing that, but Strev. said himself, if he can't play in the NFL he's going to play in the CFL.  He loves playing football and will play as long as he can, regardless of earnings.

blue_gold_84

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 18, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
No one is arguing that, but Strev. said himself, if he can't play in the NFL he's going to play in the CFL.  He loves playing football and will play as long as he can, regardless of earnings.

Well, no. Aardsy was arguing it. LOL

I would fully expect him to return to the CFL if the NFL opportunities dried up. I just don't see that happening any time soon, though. If at all.
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TecnoGenius

It's weird, Strev is great at coming in and making them lose less badly, but has he ever come in and helped them win??  (Preseason excluded)

I'm still not sure how he's stuck down there and what the Jets think his role is.  WFC used him so much better than Jets do.  He really seems to just be taking up an AR spot down south.  Maybe it's because the fans really like him?
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Just kicking around the NFL until the pension is secured is worth the hassle.

pjrocksmb

The trouble with making millions is that most spend it as quick as it comes in.

Let's hope Strev invests at least half and then yes he will be very comfortable.

theaardvark

Well, fur jackets, gold chains and cigars for a GC parade doesn't shout "responsible investor"...

Just kidding.  No doubt if he manages to complete his latest contract with the Jets, he could be secure financially to pursue football without regard to salary... and we'd love him as QB2 or QB3 here...  just not sure he will ever have even CFL QB1 capabilites.
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Is this thread about Strev or Prukop?  ::)
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Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on February 20, 2023, 09:56:02 PM
Is this thread about Strev or Prukop?  ::)

To quote DM83: "You wanna go?" :D
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Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 21, 2023, 12:08:06 AM
To quote DM83: "You wanna go?" :D
LMAO  oh poor DM83 do not worry man we still love you! ;D
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Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on February 21, 2023, 01:08:33 AM
LMAO  oh poor DM83 do not worry man we still love you! ;D

We could start a poll on that but on second thought we won't!  ;D
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I am not convinced we got a #2 guy.  Brown has shown glimpses of good play but he hasn't proven anything yet imho.

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According to John Hodge of 3 down nation there is a good chance that free agent Dakota Prukop resigns with the Blue Bombers.

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Quote from: bwiser on February 21, 2023, 02:41:55 PM
According to John Hodge of 3 down nation there is a good chance that free agent Dakota Prukop resigns with the Blue Bombers.

Guessing no USFL offers?  I guess with only a handful of QB spots open, they might favour a younger guy with more upside...

Training camps for the USFL start Mar 16, season starts Apr 15...  not much of a "training camp", even shorter than the XFL's 5 weeks...

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Quote from: bwiser on February 21, 2023, 02:41:55 PM
According to John Hodge of 3 down nation there is a good chance that free agent Dakota Prukop resigns with the Blue Bombers.

I guess this might happen later this week, although he might still have options to sign with a few other CFL teams which might up his price.  Easy solution if the Bombers can bring him back but doesn't offer him much chance of career progression, which is probably why he is hesitating.

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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 22, 2023, 04:54:39 PM
I guess this might happen later this week, although he might still have options to sign with a few other CFL teams which might up his price.  Easy solution if the Bombers can bring him back but doesn't offer him much chance of career progression, which is probably why he is hesitating.
Oops I thought I read he was gone to the USFL? Oh well my mistake. He should and will be welcomed back. It was not his fault Buck called boned headed plays in the GCG.
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Quote from: theaardvark on February 20, 2023, 05:33:06 PM
Well, fur jackets, gold chains and cigars for a GC parade doesn't shout "responsible investor"...

Pretty sure that Strev GC fur was an 80's flea-market type find.  My dad used to have one like it.  The style is very 80's/dated and has no demand and lots of supply.  Those things go for $100 or less.  I should know, my wife is into vintage clothes (grumble grumble).

Strev doesn't strike me as the blow & uh, ladies of the night, wild party money waster.  He's the aww shucks mid-westerner type.  I'm sure he'll do fine with his NFL $$.
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Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 23, 2023, 03:55:19 AM
Pretty sure that Strev GC fur was an 80's flea-market type find.  My dad used to have one like it.  The style is very 80's/dated and has no demand and lots of supply.  Those things go for $100 or less.  I should know, my wife is into vintage clothes (grumble grumble).

Strev doesn't strike me as the blow & uh, ladies of the night, wild party money waster.  He's the aww shucks mid-westerner type.  I'm sure he'll do fine with his NFL $$.


The fur coat was actually his girlfriends parents coat.

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Quote from: bluengold204 on February 23, 2023, 05:38:32 PM
The fur coat was actually his girlfriends parents coat.

Precisely.  Almost certainly 80's, and a decent chance it was a ladies' coat too!  (Though I will need to look and study it more... good thing I have the GC parade footage still!)
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theaardvark

I wasn't suggesting that he went out and blew his GC money on a fur coat, gold chains and CUban cigars.

I was suggesting that his choice of attire was not what you'd associate with an astute investor, but rather with a crypto / wall street wolf type...



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Or a guy (Strev) having the time of his life.
If you can find that type of coat at a flea market let me know.
I teach the fur trade, and have been searching for furs native to  MB
I do have sample pelts, and a retired colleague gave me her two fur fur coat!!  I think they are more expensive than a $hun!
Fun searchin though.

Procup was awesome a short yardage, as was Strev.  I would love either of them back.

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Quote from: theaardvark on February 24, 2023, 04:47:17 PM
I wasn't suggesting that he went out and blew his GC money on a fur coat, gold chains and CUban cigars.

I was suggesting that his choice of attire was not what you'd associate with an astute investor, but rather with a crypto / wall street wolf type...

Does it matter?

You also have no idea how Streveler manages his finances or his investments. And going off of what he wore at a GC parade isn't reasonable.
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I hope we can get Prukop back and I have faith in Brown.

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Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 27, 2023, 02:59:58 PM
Does it matter?

You also have no idea how Streveler manages his finances or his investments. And going off of what he wore at a GC parade isn't reasonable.

It was mainly meant as a tongue in cheek comment, a joke per say. 

Chris has a Masters in Sports Management.  I assume he knows how to handle his cash. 

But a Million doesn't go as far as it used to, and anyone suggesting a football player is "set for life" after a short stint in the NFL on PR's and dressing a few games is deluded, and even a 2 year non-guaranteed deal at a million per does not set anyone up "for life".  Sure, with the small NFL pension as well, it makes life easier, but far from "set for life"
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Quote from: theaardvark on February 27, 2023, 03:41:33 PM
It was mainly meant as a tongue in cheek comment, a joke per say. 

Chris has a Masters in Sports Management.  I assume he knows how to handle his cash. 

But a Million doesn't go as far as it used to, and anyone suggesting a football player is "set for life" after a short stint in the NFL on PR's and dressing a few games is deluded, and even a 2 year non-guaranteed deal at a million per does not set anyone up "for life".  Sure, with the small NFL pension as well, it makes life easier, but far from "set for life"

Only DM83 claimed he's set for life IIRC. So, take that FWIW (not much). ;)

The reality is he has and will make more in the NFL than he ever could in the CFL, even if his role in the latter could be far more prominent.
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Quote from: theaardvark on February 27, 2023, 03:41:33 PM
It was mainly meant as a tongue in cheek comment, a joke per say. 

Chris has a Masters in Sports Management.  I assume he knows how to handle his cash. 

But a Million doesn't go as far as it used to, and anyone suggesting a football player is "set for life" after a short stint in the NFL on PR's and dressing a few games is deluded, and even a 2 year non-guaranteed deal at a million per does not set anyone up "for life".  Sure, with the small NFL pension as well, it makes life easier, but far from "set for life"

That's all true but most Canadians don't earn $1M usd in a year.  Keep in mind that many NFL players have other careers / incomes besides football. A smart player has an opportunity to save a lot of that NFL money. In effect just buying their home and not having a 30 year mortgage goes a long way to a better debt free life. OTOH, going out and buying a $400K Lambo not so much.

We see both examples with young players getting loads of money at an earlier age.
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I guess no word on if he is returning yet? I think it would be silly for him to move on somewhere else! He can continue to earn a great living here with a extremely veteran laden team with top notch culture.
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Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on March 02, 2023, 08:15:45 AM
I guess no word on if he is returning yet? I think it would be silly for him to move on somewhere else! He can continue to earn a great living here with a extremely veteran laden team with top notch culture.

The only word that we heard was Walters saying he was leaving.
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Prokup was "leaving to join the USFL".  He hasn't signed anywhere yet, so maybe he's still waiting for a call... lots of time left before camp...
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Quote from: theaardvark on March 02, 2023, 03:53:19 PM
Prokup was "leaving to join the USFL".  He hasn't signed anywhere yet, so maybe he's still waiting for a call... lots of time left before camp...

Hope he comes back, he received a fair number of reps. with the Bombers despite being listed as the #3 option, and Walters mentioned they're looking at providing the 3rd down QB with an expanded playbook this season.  He was much more dynamic than McGuire ever was and made some great plays last season with his pure athleticism.

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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on March 02, 2023, 05:01:56 PM
Hope he comes back, he received a fair number of reps. with the Bombers despite being listed as the #3 option, and Walters mentioned they're looking at providing the 3rd down QB with an expanded playbook this season.  He was much more dynamic than McGuire ever was and made some great plays last season with his pure athleticism.
Yes....his running was great and we had great success with him on short yardage plays where he either threw the ball or broke off some good yardage on the ground.....would be great to sign him for another go
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on March 02, 2023, 05:01:56 PM
Walters mentioned they're looking at providing the 3rd down QB with an expanded playbook this season.  He was much more dynamic than McGuire ever was and made some great plays last season with his pure athleticism.

Expanded playbook.  Wink wink.  Here's a nice carrot, Dakota!  Dangle dangle

Prukop turned out much better than I would have guessed from his previous CFL team forays.  He sits nicely between a McGuire and a Strev.  Like Strev-lite.

Just don't ask him to throw super deep in a cold game.  ;) ;) ;)  His arm is more suited to the short/medium game.

Since KW isn't freaking out about the position right now, and Prukop hasn't signed elsewhere, I have a funny feeling he'll be rejoining the Bombers before TC...
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theaardvark

Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 02, 2023, 07:52:13 PM
Expanded playbook.  Wink wink.  Here's a nice carrot, Dakota!  Dangle dangle

Prukop turned out much better than I would have guessed from his previous CFL team forays.  He sits nicely between a McGuire and a Strev.  Like Strev-lite.

Just don't ask him to throw super deep in a cold game.  ;) ;) ;)  His arm is more suited to the short/medium game.

Since KW isn't freaking out about the position right now, and Prukop hasn't signed elsewhere, I have a funny feeling he'll be rejoining the Bombers before TC...


Even when camps have started, if Prokup hasn't returned, there will be plenty of 3rd down QB;s on the market, for a late round pick, "future considerations" or just the patience to wait for them to be cut...
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Quote from: theaardvark on March 02, 2023, 08:04:53 PM
Even when camps have started, if Prokup hasn't returned, there will be plenty of 3rd down QB;s on the market, for a late round pick, "future considerations" or just the patience to wait for them to be cut...

Pipkin is available now although I don't know his asking price.  In the game against Sask. after O'Connor was knocked out he looked like he had some potential to actually control an offence and complete some passes once his nerves settled down, so I'm not of the opinion he's a lost cause.

Horseman

I agree if Prokup is gone then sign Pipkin.

theaardvark

Pipkin is a decent #3 QB at the right price.  Not sure if he will play for #3qb rate.

If finding a short yardage/#3 qb is our biggest problem... we are pretty set...
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TecnoGenius

If BC over-stocked on QB with the Evans trade, that might shake Dom Davis loose.  Would we welcome Dom back to WPG if he does?  He's evolved into a great SY/#3.  He maintains a legit pass threat (which we love), and can even do ok as an in-game replacement #2.

Assuming Prukop moves on, of course.  I'd rather have Dom back than Pipkin, TBH.  I don't think any bridges were burned when he left.
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Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 03, 2023, 07:52:11 PM
If BC over-stocked on QB with the Evans trade, that might shake Dom Davis loose.  Would we welcome Dom back to WPG if he does?  He's evolved into a great SY/#3.  He maintains a legit pass threat (which we love), and can even do ok as an in-game replacement #2.

Assuming Prukop moves on, of course.  I'd rather have Dom back than Pipkin, TBH.  I don't think any bridges were burned when he left.

What are we thinking about Michael O'Connor? He isn't listed on the Lions depth chart, but is a big dude.
The other guy I was thinking of would be Jamie Newman from the Ti-cats. It would take a really small trade but I think there could be something there.

My favorite option would be just signing someone young and hungry!

theaardvark

QB3 pays close to ELC, and is usually filled by a prospect.  Brown is our QB2, and heir apparent. 

I am sure our scouts can find the next Pipkin, O'Connor, Streveler, McGuire, Prokup that will come apprentice on a cap friendly ELC.  If, after TC, we haven't filled that spot, then I am sure one of the QB's I just mentioned may be available.  IF Prokup hasn't signed here before TC.
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I would pass on Dom Davis as when he played here against us, he disrespected our fans and the organization. And I carry a grudge!!

TecnoGenius

Quote from: theaardvark on March 03, 2023, 08:27:13 PM
I am sure our scouts can find the next Pipkin, O'Connor, Streveler, McGuire, Prokup that will come apprentice on a cap friendly ELC.  If, after TC, we haven't filled that spot, then I am sure one of the QB's I just mentioned may be available.  IF Prokup hasn't signed here before TC.

Maybe.  Let's look at our last few SY guys:

Dom Davis*
LeFevor
Strev*
McGuire*
Prukop

I think the * guys we found ourselves?  So 2 out of 5 were FA pickups.  About half.

So based on our track record, it's a crapshoot whether we scout a young'n or pick up a loose FA.

I'm sure Prukop wasn't making bare ELC minimum... probably actually made around what Dom would cost.  We should have the SMS space for a vet SY guy if we don't go the scout route.
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Quote from: Horseman on March 03, 2023, 08:56:03 PM
I would pass on Dom Davis as when he played here against us, he disrespected our fans and the organization. And I carry a grudge!!

I may have missed that, what did he do??  If he dissed us, then the bridge is burnt, and to heck with him.  Strange, I always thought Dom was a decent guy.  Waiting on the details...
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Horseman

Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 03, 2023, 09:20:19 PM
I may have missed that, what did he do??  If he dissed us, then the bridge is burnt, and to heck with him.  Strange, I always thought Dom was a decent guy.  Waiting on the details...

He was playing for Mtl when they beat us here at home, he scored a short yardage touchdown and went and jumped into the stands like Yoshi does and then when he was pushed back he was being mouthy to the fans and pumping his arm at them.

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Quote from: Horseman on March 04, 2023, 12:38:33 AM
He was playing for Mtl when they beat us here at home, he scored a short yardage touchdown and went and jumped into the stands like Yoshi does and then when he was pushed back he was being mouthy to the fans and pumping his arm at them.
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Man, why does everyone want these proven to terrible vets on our team?
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Quote from: Jesse on March 04, 2023, 01:31:05 PM
Man, why does everyone want these proven to terrible vets on our team?

Agree.
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blue_or_die

Quote from: Jesse on March 04, 2023, 01:31:05 PM
Man, why does everyone want these proven to terrible vets on our team?

I don?t want Dom Davis or anything but I think people want qb3 to be a big reliable plunger in SY but also to have some CFL complete passes to show there?s some versatility. Prukop was very good at doing this and it was nice to not worry about being stopped or fumbling in the gimme plays
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Jesse on March 04, 2023, 01:31:05 PM
Man, why does everyone want these proven to terrible vets on our team?

Because the MOS M.O. requires a 99% success rate on short yardage.

We no longer use our QB3 as a dev / future-starter guy.  That's our #2.  QB3 is just for SY, to master SY, and if we're lucky include a threat to pass on 2nd & 1, and be able to run the edge once in a blue moon.

If you bring in a young rookie IMP, you're gambling big time with that 99% rate.  (Strev was an outlier.)

Besides wunderkind Strev, our best SY guys in recent years were seasoned vets: LeFevor and Prukop.  McGuire was also very good, but he had all of '19 to develop behind Strev before thrust into the every-down SY position.

Dom would fit our requirements very nicely.  Pipkin probably too.  Prukop would be ideal.  I will be somewhat shocked if we field a raw CFL rookie at SY.

I'll tell you one thing: Brown will not be our SY guy.  He's our "can he be a future Zach" injury-replacement guy.
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bluengold204

Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 04, 2023, 08:44:16 PM
Because the MOS M.O. requires a 99% success rate on short yardage.

We no longer use our QB3 as a dev / future-starter guy.  That's our #2.  QB3 is just for SY, to master SY, and if we're lucky include a threat to pass on 2nd & 1, and be able to run the edge once in a blue moon.

If you bring in a young rookie IMP, you're gambling big time with that 99% rate.  (Strev was an outlier.)

Besides wunderkind Strev, our best SY guys in recent years were seasoned vets: LeFevor and Prukop.  McGuire was also very good, but he had all of '19 to develop behind Strev before thrust into the every-down SY position.

Dom would fit our requirements very nicely.  Pipkin probably too.  Prukop would be ideal.  I will be somewhat shocked if we field a raw CFL rookie at SY.

I'll tell you one thing: Brown will not be our SY guy.  He's our "can he be a future Zach" injury-replacement guy.


2nd and 1 is almost guaranteed in the cfl no matter who the QB is

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Quote from: bluengold204 on March 04, 2023, 11:34:28 PM
2nd and 1 is almost guaranteed in the cfl no matter who the QB is

Disagree Bombers have stopped many a team with one yard.  Yes they convert at a high percentage but you need a good oline, scheme and strong big athletic QB goes a long way.  Dom Davis and a number of other current and pass QBs have been able to fill this niche roll and they are valuable to the team.

That all said we need stats junkie to give us the goods lol

blue_gold_84

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 17, 2023, 03:31:23 PM
Streveler isn't coming back to the CFL. As much as I'd love to see him back here, he's got solid footing the NFL.

Looking forward to seeing how this comment ages next year. :D
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It was interesting to note that once DP became available to us we dropped Pigrone immediately, who went on to work with Ottawa.    At the time he was being heralded as perhaps a challenge to Dru Brown's #2 ranking at QB.    It didn't help his cause when he was stuffed on two successive SY attempts at the goal line.    He never had the physical stature of Dakota and wowed us early in the preseason with some long gainers and spectacular runs.    It was never confirmed if he could pass however and when Dakota showed up he was gone.    DP has had a number of fumbles this season in short yardage situations, most recently in our last game where he had two, when we were in FG range.    Other than that he has been money for us in short yardage situations and has made some good gains on 2nd and 3rd down situations.    He can also complete the occasion pass however it's always a bit of a gamble when he gets the green light to throw.   
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Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on October 31, 2023, 03:26:00 PM
It was interesting to note that once DP became available to us we dropped Pigrone immediately, who went on to work with Ottawa.    At the time he was being heralded as perhaps a challenge to Dru Brown's #2 ranking at QB.    It didn't help his cause when he was stuffed on two successive SY attempts at the goal line.    He never had the physical stature of Dakota and wowed us early in the preseason with some long gainers and spectacular runs.    It was never confirmed if he could pass however and when Dakota showed up he was gone.    DP has had a number of fumbles this season in short yardage situations, most recently in our last game where he had two, when we were in FG range.    Other than that he has been money for us in short yardage situations and has made some good gains on 2nd and 3rd down situations.    He can also complete the occasion pass however it's always a bit of a gamble when he gets the green light to throw.   

This was always crazy talk.
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Quote from: Jesse on October 31, 2023, 04:05:35 PM
This was always crazy talk.

That's never stopped some of our posters before. :)
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Quote from: Jesse on October 31, 2023, 04:05:35 PM
This was always crazy talk.

Which seems to happen a fair amount when some new or unknown QB does "well" in TC/pre-season.

Quote from: Blue In BC on October 31, 2023, 04:41:16 PM
That's never stopped some of our posters before. :)

At least it's (sometimes) entertaining...? :D
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Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on October 31, 2023, 03:26:00 PM
He can also complete the occasion pass however it's always a bit of a gamble when he gets the green light to throw.   

One of two things are now set in stone:

1. Prukop does not attempt a pass in the post-season, because hit horrific attempts last game were a "test run" he failed miserably.
or
2. Prukop botched those passes intentionally as part of a plan so teams think #1 above and he'll have a spectacular pass in the post-season with a guy wide open.

#2 would be so-called "tin foil" stuff and also a level of chicanery I don't think MOS/Buck would ever go to.  Lapo might.  I definitely would.  But MOS now plays almost everything so straight and in your face.  When's our last fake FG or punt??  Medlock's botched pass?
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I can see Prukop trying a pass on 2nd and inched,but has to be on strict orders to throw away if not a clear shot, or take off and run if its  there. There have been times when he seems licked in on pass even if its covered and run opportunity available.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: Pete on November 01, 2023, 03:33:11 PM
I can see Prukop trying a pass on 2nd and inched,but has to be on strict orders to throw away if not a clear shot, or take off and run if its  there. There have been times when he seems licked in on pass even if its covered and run opportunity available.

Nope.  Not after last GC and the test run last week.  Prukop does not pass in the post-season when in on SY.  It'll be like a Leggs kick: everyone will gasp and hold their breath waiting for the pain and carnage.
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Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 01, 2023, 09:44:00 PM
Nope.  Not after last GC and the test run last week.  Prukop does not pass in the post-season when in on SY.  It'll be like a Leggs kick: everyone will gasp and hold their breath waiting for the pain and carnage.

Too bad the G.C. plays are all that are remembered, he made some beautiful plays last season passing the ball when no one expected him to.

TecnoGenius

The XFL or wherever he was playing in spring actually made him worse!  ;D ;D ;D

Yes, he's monster on SY.  Passing... not so much.
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Lincoln Locomotive

Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 02, 2023, 03:43:52 AM
The XFL or wherever he was playing in spring actually made him worse!  ;D ;D ;D

Yes, he's monster on SY.  Passing... not so much.
I tend to agree and in last years GC the Argos turned the game momentum in their favour after picking him off.    The two blocked FGs late in the game were both the two biggest plays of the game and something I have never seen before in any CFL regular season or playoff game.
The Bombers were devastated by their loss and for some of our vets this season may very well be their last in Blue and Gold.    Their motivation will be high to avenge their loss however how well we play in the WF will be an indicator as well as how come out of this game injury wise.    At this time of the year, everyone is nicked up in some way and I'm hoping it's not -20 on game day.
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bwiser

Quote from: Blue In BC on October 31, 2023, 04:41:16 PM
That's never stopped some of our posters before. :)
We wouldn't have a forum if we didn't have some crazy talk to keep things interesting.