Started by ModAdmin, February 15, 2023, 06:00:35 AM
Quote from: Jesse on February 16, 2023, 05:07:11 PMIt's possible that there wasn't cap space last year to sign Lawler.We had a ton of people on the 6-game in 2022, which enabled Walters to do some cap shenanigans at the end of the year to take stress off of some 2023 deals.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 16, 2023, 05:35:31 PMIt's definitely not a "value signing", Aardvark. Lawler is likely the number 2 paid receiver in the league. There is always "cap space" to sign players, Jesse. Cap allocation is a choice. We could have had Lawler last year and done without someone else. I think it's interesting that people thought $300,000 was crazy last year and pat Walters on the back for not signing him for that, but are incredibly happy we signed him for $265,000 and $300,000 in 2023 and 2024. If he is worth $300,000 as a 30-year-old in 2024, he was worth $300,000 as a 28-year-old in 2022. Again, it was a miss. Walters isn't perfect nor does anyone expect him to be. We wouldn't have tried to trade for him if it wasn't.
Quote from: blue_or_die on February 16, 2023, 05:44:06 PMTwo counterpoints:1) It is possible for 300k to be above market value one year and 300k to be market value the next.2) Going after a player you let walk at FA right before a cup run is not the same as admitting you were wrong about that player. It's just that: gearing up for a run and stacking talent when possible with what resources you've found yourself with at that time of year.But to be fair, yeah, neither of those are examples of brilliant GMing...but they are competent moves, for sure.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 16, 2023, 05:52:13 PMI agree with your points expect for your bolded point. Gearing up for a cup run is one thing, even though rentals aren't exactly common in football like other sports. But not only did he try and trade for him, he also signed him the following off season for pretty much the same money as he didn't sign him for last off season. That is pretty much the definition of admitting you were wrong about the player, the market and his value to the team.Again, I'm not trying to make Walters out to be a bad GM. He's fantastic in virtually every measurement. But there's a lot of people here praising him and pointing out how great he was at handling this one, and in my books it can only be a miscalculation. Nothing catastrophic, but far from good and hilariously far from "insanely astute".
Quote from: Pigskin on February 16, 2023, 06:15:42 PMSo far, it looks like your on an island by yourself. So far, most members believe $305K was to much for the Bombers last season.
Quote from: Jesse on February 16, 2023, 07:09:40 PMI agree with you that saying Lawler is a "value" is ridiculous. That's just re-writing history and it is very common among fans right now.I don't agree that there's "always cap space". We allocated our resources the way we did last year and it did not include Lawler - then we had multiple players added to the 6-game injured list which created space that would not have existed had those players stayed healthy. It is under these circumstances that we tried to trade for Lawler and signed him this year (at 265).In order to keep Lawler in 2024 (at 300+), something will have to change. Either more injuries that create cap room, or higher salaries removed elsewhere on the roster.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 16, 2023, 09:53:37 PMThe reason to trade for him was injuries... and having cap space.Signing him for $265 this year is a bargain, he could have gotten more elsewhere, and Lewis getting $325 is proof of that. So, yeah, Walters gets a backpat for signing a player for well under his value.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 16, 2023, 01:47:33 PMI don't know how anyone could've missed this back in October. Lawler's season came to end due to a shoulder injury that required surgery. It was reported by Naylor in considerable detail. IIRC, it was around the same time the Bombers made the trade for Darby.EDIT: https://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/blue-bombers-deadline-move-for-kenny-lawler-scuttled-by-injury
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 16, 2023, 02:57:01 PM1) Walters probably made the wrong call on letting Lawler leave to begin with. Last year $300,000 for top end receivers was too steep, this year it's the norm and Walters re-signing Lawler for that amount proves he was more or less wrong in his evaluation last off-season -- both in terms of market value and his contribution to the team. 2) I don't think that trying to trade for a player you let go in the off-season and then realized you needed is "insanely astute". It is more of a mea cupla, if anything.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 16, 2023, 05:35:31 PMI think it's interesting that people thought $300,000 was crazy last year and pat Walters on the back for not signing him for that, but are incredibly happy we signed him for $265,000 and $300,000 in 2023 and 2024. If he is worth $300,000 as a 30-year-old in 2024, he was worth $300,000 as a 28-year-old in 2022.