Started by ModAdmin, February 05, 2023, 07:41:24 PM
Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on February 06, 2023, 12:26:23 AMHallelujah the X-Factor is back in blue and gold!!
Quote from: Jesse on February 06, 2023, 01:58:08 PMJeff Hamilton says he's "hearing" that it averages 190K.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 06, 2023, 01:58:58 PMIf so that's pretty fair and realistic. He should be 20-25k less than Gittens who was over 200k.
Quote from: bwiser on February 06, 2023, 03:52:22 PMI think Demski and Darby signing were the last really key free agents that were a must sign. I would like to see Bailey back as well especially with the uncertainty of Shoen right now but we do have some options if Bailey doesn't return.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 06, 2023, 08:14:06 AMI think this is the signing this off season that makes me the happiest. It really does. Even more than the Zach signing for some strange reason.And making it 3 years like Gittens: super awesome strategic move. Show the player love and confidence, and surely some coin, and you get loyalty and performance.3 years!!! Woot woot. Thanks NIC DEMSKI! (saying it like Milt stuttered it out a few years ago)Now, does anyone have an whisper numbers on what it cost us...... over-Gittens or under-Gittens?
Quote from: pjrocksmb on February 06, 2023, 06:15:27 PMHe is so easy to love.I am curious if he got any guaranteed $.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 06, 2023, 05:49:48 PMAt this point I think Walters waits for Schoen to make up his mind before spending anymore money on receivers. If he comes back they will likely bump him up above what Bailey is asking, which could make it difficult to bump up Rasheed. If Bailey leaves I have fully expect Agudosi steps in as a starter, he's paid his dues and deserves his chance.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on February 06, 2023, 07:48:59 PMAbsolutely as long as Agudosi can stay healthy!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on February 06, 2023, 08:55:50 PMCorrect me if I am wrong but Agudosi was hurt then played a couple games, including that monster Calgary game, but then got hurt again for the balance of the year?
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 06, 2023, 09:02:05 PMHe only played 1 and a part games before getting injured. His injury history has not been good. Unfortunate or prone IDK. Showed well in the one full game.
Quote from: blue_or_die on February 06, 2023, 09:03:10 PMWith the new vet guaranteed money rule, any long term deal (by CFL standards) we can assume includes guaranteed $
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 06, 2023, 05:49:48 PMIf Bailey leaves I have fully expect Agudosi steps in as a starter, he's paid his dues and deserves his chance.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 07, 2023, 04:16:02 AMVery pricey for a WFC WR/SB. But Demski is a special case, and fits with what we need to do right now. Totally worth it.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 08, 2023, 12:24:19 AMI guess this means Demski gets 2nd billing only to Zach when they do IGF O player introductions?? Who 4 years ago would have pegged Demski to be our #1 receiver, and being more important than the RB?
Quote from: the paw on February 08, 2023, 12:58:47 AMYou are behind on the news. Lawler's coming back, he's #1, and Schoen led the league last year, so you have to put him at #3. Demski brings a lot of intangibles and warm fuzzies to go along with his skill set, but I would be surprised if he surpassed either of those in production.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 08, 2023, 01:11:45 AMPeople love Demski because he's Canadian and therefore more important due to the rules but if you compare output he is basically on par with the Rasheed Bailey/Markeith Ambles type guys. It's fine and even great when you are taking about Canadian receivers but it is still just that.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 08, 2023, 01:41:12 AMAre you nuts? Comparing Demski to Ambles and Bailey?? Did you see all the explosions and TDs Demski pulled off last season? Watched his post-season play? His very respectable stats on the ground?You can say some things about Demski, but not that he's Ambles/Bailey, both of whom will command under $150k on the FA market.
Quote from: Jesse on February 08, 2023, 01:51:46 AMI love Demksi, but you exaggerate his impact like crazy.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 08, 2023, 01:38:54 PMDemski would absolutely be worth about what Bailey is if he weren't Canadian. That's undoubtedly a fact. We will see what the future holds I guess. He's never been close to a 1000 yard receiver and other than his career year for TD grabs in 2022 (10), his next best year is 2021 at 4 TD receptions and 1 TD run.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 09, 2023, 05:26:18 AMI'm trying hard to see it your way, and for moments I can say "ya ok" -- Demski an IMP == Bailey $$... But then I really think about it and I still think you are wrong. Taking the WPG out of it, taking the NAT out of it... Is Demski a CFL top-10 receiver by impact (not necessarily stats)? I would think many in the league would say "yes". Now how about top-5? I might say yes, again (especially after Burnham leaving). If not top-5, he's close.And would you agree he's CFL top-1 NAT receiver? I would. Certainly top-2. Would you rather have Gittens? Not me.No one who wants to lump Demski in with middling-receivers has explained why so many teams' "keys to the game" in 2022 were "stop Demski". Not a single article was written in 2022 that said "stop Schoen", or "stop Ellingson". No, it was always "stop Demski". So, explain it if you want to convince me Demski==Bailey.Literally the only fault I can find for Demski at the moment is he's not a bruiser that can take the punishing catch across the middle flat (that's Bailey). But it's a minor quibble because he can blow you up in nearly every other way.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 09, 2023, 03:00:46 PMKurleigh Gittens Jr. put up 1101 yards last year in his third season in the CFL and second season as a starter. Demski has been in the league 7 seasons and his best year was last year w/ 772. As for this notion that you remember articles and therefore he's worth more is strange logic. Who wrote the articles? Are you sure that that's proof that defensive coordinators would rather stop Demski over Schoen or Elliingson?
Quote from: Jesse on February 09, 2023, 05:38:17 PMYeah, the idea of using beat reporters "keys to the game" as proof of a players' value doesn't do much for me.Demski will be our 4th option in our offence, behind Lawler, Schoen, and Brady. An incredibly valuable part of our offence, as we're a pretty balanced attack, but not the single most important player that teams plan around.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 09, 2023, 07:03:50 PMDemski is a wild-card, always good to have one in your deck, he makes unexpected things happen.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 10, 2023, 04:09:42 AMDoes Ed Tait just write our keys to the game out of his butt? Or does he get inside views and chats with players and DCs that we don't? Pretty sure during practices and chats Tait is nearby. He is paid by WFC, after all. I'm sure the other teams each have a similar guy. Those are the articles I was talking about.It's a fair point, and you could be right. But do you really think those reporters are ignorant to the reality, or not privy to the skinny? Depends on how much you value Ed Tait et al, I guess.Maybe all the house reporters just have a love-on for Demski!! P.S. You skirted the yes/no questions: would you rather have Gittens or Demski? Quoting stats still doesn't answer the question.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 10, 2023, 12:49:49 PMI didn't mean to skirt the question. For one, Ed Tait is an in-house reporter. He's not a coach and I don't believe coordinators read his articles for clues on how to defend the Bombers offence (but that's just me). I would rather have Gittens for a variety of reasons. He's a younger, more talented receiver for one. Demski is a great player in the Canadian context, a fine player overall, don't get me wrong. Not trying to slander the dude. He's from Winnipeg and resonates with fans and that's probably worth something too. I believe that a) his 10 TDs is an anomaly and won't be repeated; and b) as a sub 1000 yard receiver he is very much in the 'fine' but not 'premier' class when it comes to receivers overall. I think $190,000 is an overpay for the production and there's no way he gets close to that without the right passport.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 10, 2023, 03:23:55 PMDemski is more of a gadget/hybrid receiver, where Gittens is more of a traditional receiver. As a pure receiver, Gittens has the advantage. As a versatile receiver, Demski has the advantage. Their NAT status is a wash. Both are back-to-back all-stars; also a wash.Demski and Gittens are pretty hard to compare apples to apples, IMO. Also: stats alone don't tell the whole story.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 10, 2023, 12:49:49 PMEd Tait is an in-house reporter. He's not a coach and I don't believe coordinators read his articles for clues on how to defend the Bombers offence (but that's just me). I would rather have Gittens for a variety of reasons.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 11, 2023, 01:49:41 AMYou got it backwards, again. It's not that DCs read their house reporter for ideas, it's that their house reporter gets to hear and watch their DCs. So whoever is the house reporter in SSK sees their team and DC talk and plan around Demski and then goes and writes their "Keys To The Game" and says Demski is a key.Again, see my Tait example. Is Tait just a lucky fan who gets a cushy gig writing made up nonsense from his imagination sitting in his basement all day all summer long, or is he an "insider" present at IGF who is allowed to spill some of the beans to us fans?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 11, 2023, 01:54:38 AMOkay, have it your way. Demski went into negotiations citing the number of times he was covered in Ed Tait's "keys to the game" segment.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on February 11, 2023, 01:56:42 AMOh you 2 LOL