Bomber SAM position

Started by Blue In BC, December 22, 2022, 03:21:28 PM

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blue_or_die

Quote from: the paw on December 22, 2022, 04:10:42 PM
I think Ford is getting a look down south based on his speed and athleticism rather than any film he put up here. He would be a development project on the PR, but at his age that?s a viable option.

I think that if they felt Kramdi was up to the job, the wouldn?t have traded for Darby.  Also, the ratio changes lessen the need for full-time Canadian starters.  I don?t think SAM is where they will deploy the 50-50 position.  But I could be wrong.

I really wish we knew the story behind Rutledge, I thought he was coming along fine.  But if we stick with Darby that?s ok too.


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the paw

Quote from: blue_or_die on December 22, 2022, 07:15:49 PM
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Rutledge signed with the Gamblers in the USFL.  Something clearly went off the rails here behind the scenes.  I guess we?ll never know what?
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Blue In BC

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Quote from: the paw on December 22, 2022, 06:56:14 PM
DI salaries in the past are not indicative of what they will be going forward.  The whole CBA provision was designed to increase the value of veteran Americans, so some shifting of values is to be expected.

It is also relatively simple to designate a veteran starter as the DI and have the younger player become the official starter.

For example, let?s say Kylie Wilson wasn?t coming back and we saw Cole as the heir apparent. He would not be eligible to be the nationalized player.  But Bighill would be eligible.  So you could start Bighill for 50% of the snaps, with Gauthier coming in for 50% and would count as the starter for ratio.  But Bighill as DI can also sub in for Cole.  Let?s say he does that for 25% of snaps.

That rotation would result in Bighill and Cole each playing 75% of snaps and Gauthier playing 50% but counting as the starter.  And they could all make exactly what they did under the old system. 

We'll see but I think those ideas are long shots. Starters are starters because they are the best players. Bighill doesn't play 100% of the snaps but he's going to play as many as he can.

SMS for DI's is one thing but I don't think we sit a  Bryant, Hardrick, Alexander, Rose, Jeffcoat, Jefferson etc more than necessary in order to take advantage of a Nationalized American situation.

Either way it still comes down to who are the DI's regardless of who gets names starter versus Nationalized. There aren't enough spots to cover every position even if the level of DI's improve. It's still only 4 spots. Several teams have an import kicker which is even more limiting.



Now we could sign Santos Knox in free agency and he's qualify as Nationalized American. He could start or be the back up at MLB or WIL very well. It's normal to use a DI spot for a LB. I don't expect that to happen but its the kind of thing needed to make it work.

Or perhaps Maston is healthy and we can re-sign Darby. Both can play multiple roles in the secondary. That would be an effective use of a DI and / or Nationalized American.



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Blue In BC

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Quote from: the paw on December 22, 2022, 09:10:34 PM
Rutledge signed with the Gamblers in the USFL.  Something clearly went off the rails here behind the scenes.  I guess we?ll never know what?


Will try and watch some of their games to see how he does.  However I have no issue with the team making a decision they felt in the best interest of the team. Regardless of why it was made.
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blue_or_die

Quote from: Blue In BC on December 22, 2022, 09:36:33 PM
Will try and watch some of their games to see how he does.  However I have no issue with the team making a decision they felt in the best interest of the team. Regardless of why it was made.

Yeah it?s not that I have a problem with the Bombers making any of their decisions, just want to know what happened there with him. Clearly it was something because he seemed good by the eye test?so attitude problem? Something else?
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CrazyCanuck89

Quote from: the paw on December 22, 2022, 04:10:42 PM
I think Ford is getting a look down south based on his speed and athleticism rather than any film he put up here. He would be a development project on the PR, but at his age that?s a viable option.

I think that if they felt Kramdi was up to the job, the wouldn?t have traded for Darby.  Also, the ratio changes lessen the need for full-time Canadian starters.  I don?t think SAM is where they will deploy the 50-50 position.  But I could be wrong.

I really wish we knew the story behind Rutledge, I thought he was coming along fine.  But if we stick with Darby that?s ok too.

He seemed to be better in coverage than Tevaughn Campbell and he's had a decent NFL career for only being signed due to speed.

LXTSN

I actually don't mind the idea of Parker at the SAM spot.
He is undersized, but he is one of the best tacklers that we have. I think his skills could be very effective in that position

Pete

\I could also see desmond lawrence as sam, he seemed to play physical and is a bit bigger than parker

LXTSN

Quote from: Pete on December 28, 2022, 07:08:06 PM
\I could also see desmond lawrence as sam, he seemed to play physical and is a bit bigger than parker
I see Lawrence as a much better player in coverage though. I think he needs to play corner

TecnoGenius

Quote from: the paw on December 22, 2022, 09:10:34 PM
Rutledge signed with the Gamblers in the USFL.  Something clearly went off the rails here behind the scenes.  I guess we?ll never know what?

I think Rutledge, Gaitor and Eli all suffered from the dreaded FIFO fail.  I saw an interview on the site somewhere where a player was making it clear what FIFO meant (he didn't say the words) and he looked really pissed off when he said it.  It's almost like a junior school clique/bully mentality.  I guess the rules on "inclusion" are different when its your band of war brothers in football.

A bit of a shame as I was a big fan of Rutledge and Eli.  (Never liked Gaitor much, but he did a good job.)

I think we go Darby at SAM and give Maston a TC shot if he hasn't retired yet.  Also, don't count out Taylor at HB (same situation as Maston).
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Quote from: TecnoGenius on December 29, 2022, 03:05:15 AM
I think Rutledge, Gaitor and Eli all suffered from the dreaded FIFO fail.  I saw an interview on the site somewhere where a player was making it clear what FIFO meant (he didn't say the words) and he looked really pissed off when he said it.  It's almost like a junior school clique/bully mentality.  I guess the rules on "inclusion" are different when its your band of war brothers in football.

A bit of a shame as I was a big fan of Rutledge and Eli.  (Never liked Gaitor much, but he did a good job.)

I think we go Darby at SAM and give Maston a TC shot if he hasn't retired yet.  Also, don't count out Taylor at HB (same situation as Maston).


Yah FIFO could create a bad vibe in many situations depending on the leaders of the team, it could lead to the exact opposite of creating an inclusive environment, where obviously not everyone is welcome or fits in.