Dionte Spencer

Started by Blue In BC, December 01, 2022, 04:30:05 PM

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Quote from: blue_gold_84 on December 01, 2022, 09:24:21 PM
Adams? He signed a three-year contract on Feb. 9, 2020 (https://www.bluebombers.com/2020/02/09/bombers-sign-receiver-darvin-adams-three-year-extension/), which I believe was voided after the 2020 season was cancelled.

I can't recall how it was reworked but he signed a one-year contract prior to the 2021 season. It was this past off-season where he wasn't tendered a new contract by the Bombers prior to free agency. He then signed with the RedBlacks.

Right, Darvin left after 2021, Lucky left during F.A. of 2021.

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All of our receivers are beasts that block very well. Agree smallish type receivers need not apply as they will compromise our run blocking ability from our receiving corps

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Quote from: Blue In BC on December 01, 2022, 08:56:39 PM
Not exactly true. Whitehead left for an enormous pay day in Vancouver and a chance to start at receiver. If we had a 2020 season he might have had a better opportunity to see what more he could bring as a receiver.

It's a little silly to suggest the Bombers didn't / don't have a fit for a small shifty receiver. Whitehead is 1" shorter than Demski. He's not as heavy but he's probably faster. Many have argued that Whitehead is not a good receiver because he catches with his body.

Whitehead played in 2 more games than Demski but he had about 230 more yards than Demski. He had more receptions and a higher per catch average.

It's fair to question SMS, two small shifty receivers in the corps or ratio, but nothing really says he couldn't have fit if not for those other issues.

Even ignoring Whitehead, the Bomber coaches gave McKnight a hundred chances to catch on, and McCrae has also gotten a chance.  The Bombers are not scared to deploy smaller receivers.
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Spencer, who's that?   ;)  Forgotten all about him.  He'll come back to the CFL and be the next Duke or Walker: a shadow of his former CFL self.  I don't know what the NFL does to guys, but for the ones that actually get a chance (vs coming back within 340 days of bouncing around TCs/PRs), they almost never live up to their prior CFL standards when they come back.  I'm starting to think the NFL is the devil that sucks their life essence out.  :D

Of course, there are some exceptions (Bighill for example).
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Quote from: TecnoGenius on December 02, 2022, 12:50:21 AM
Spencer, who's that?   ;)  Forgotten all about him.  He'll come back to the CFL and be the next Duke or Walker: a shadow of his former CFL self.  I don't know what the NFL does to guys, but for the ones that actually get a chance (vs coming back within 340 days of bouncing around TCs/PRs), they almost never live up to their prior CFL standards when they come back.  I'm starting to think the NFL is the devil that sucks their life essence out.  :D

Of course, there are some exceptions (Bighill for example).

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Quote from: TecnoGenius on December 02, 2022, 12:50:21 AM
Spencer, who's that?   ;)  Forgotten all about him.  He'll come back to the CFL and be the next Duke or Walker: a shadow of his former CFL self.  I don't know what the NFL does to guys, but for the ones that actually get a chance (vs coming back within 340 days of bouncing around TCs/PRs), they almost never live up to their prior CFL standards when they come back.  I'm starting to think the NFL is the devil that sucks their life essence out.  :D

Of course, there are some exceptions (Bighill for example).


In addition to Bighill, you could count Tom Clements, Marcus Thigpen, Andy Fantuz, Henoc Muamba, Weston Dressler and Dave Dickenson as guys who did not suffer from the NFL hangover.  Those are just off the top of my head, I am sure people will remember others. 
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blue_gold_84

Quote from: the paw on December 02, 2022, 03:30:23 AM
In addition to Bighill, you could count Tom Clements, Marcus Thigpen, Andy Fantuz, Henoc Muamba, Weston Dressler and Dave Dickenson as guys who did not suffer from the NFL hangover.  Those are just off the top of my head, I am sure people will remember others. 

Walker went down to the NFL for a second time in 2017 and returned to the CFL just fine, so you could add him to that list.
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Quote from: the paw on December 02, 2022, 03:30:23 AM
In addition to Bighill, you could count Tom Clements, Marcus Thigpen, Andy Fantuz, Henoc Muamba, Weston Dressler and Dave Dickenson as guys who did not suffer from the NFL hangover.  Those are just off the top of my head, I am sure people will remember others. 

Jamaal Westerman had a number of successful seasons here after spending some significant time in the NFL

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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 01, 2022, 09:15:05 PM
Both Whitehead and Darvin have said Walters did not make them a contract offer after the 2019 season, they moved on from Lucky because they already had Grant and Bailey. 

Can't really compare Whitehead to Demski, they are totally different players. Nick is a running back that can block, catch and break tackles and according to Collaros, he's the best route runner he's ever played with.  Lucky is like a Swiss Army knife with only one blade, he can run fast. 

Yes Whitehead and Demski are not exactly the same style players. I'd take Demski regardless of nationality, he's a superior player.

It doesn't change the fact we used Grant and McCrae as alternatives when Ellingson was injured. They had similar liabilities and lesser offensive talents. McCrae in particular was a similar style player to Whitehead.

Ratio, salary, roster space and a desire to start were reasons we choose to not retain Whitehead. I don't think anyone would have complained if Whitehead was retained as a DI or on the PR if he didn't want $$$$$$$$.

With the Lions in 2 seasons, he had 1950 yards and 138 receptions in 27 games.

No I don't think we try to re-sign him in 2023. If we lose Bailey to free agency, Schoen to NFL and move away from Ellingson, then I might take a different view.
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theaardvark

When we are worried whether a return specialist can hack it as our 5th receiver or backup DB, we're in a pretty solid spot, really...

Is Spencer > Grant in that capacity?  Definitely.  He can be a 1000yd receiver as well as a top returner.

He will command top dollar should he come back to the CFL, if Grant has not re-upped, and we think we may have a problem with resigning some of our Rec corps, then we should definately be in the conversation.  With the proviso that MOS thinks he is a fit in the locker room... I'm not saying that I have heard otherwise, ny knowledge of this point is zero, just saying, on this team, that may be one of the more important points.
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Quote from: theaardvark on December 02, 2022, 03:38:16 PM
When we are worried whether a return specialist can hack it as our 5th receiver or backup DB, we're in a pretty solid spot, really...

Is Spencer > Grant in that capacity?  Definitely.  He can be a 1000yd receiver as well as a top returner.

He will command top dollar should he come back to the CFL, if Grant has not re-upped, and we think we may have a problem with resigning some of our Rec corps, then we should definately be in the conversation.  With the proviso that MOS thinks he is a fit in the locker room... I'm not saying that I have heard otherwise, ny knowledge of this point is zero, just saying, on this team, that may be one of the more important points.

It's worth conversation with his agent and that's about all at the moment. He may not be considering the CFL, or Winnipeg in particular. He may or may not be a good fit. I don't know the answer to any of those points.

If it wasn't for the fact nearly all our starting receivers are potential free agents, it wouldn't even be a conversation. I expect all of our players back until I hear otherwise. IMO we're looking for depth on the PR if everybody is back.

Obviously that can change at a moments notice.

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Quote from: the paw on December 02, 2022, 12:22:37 AM
Even ignoring Whitehead, the Bomber coaches gave McKnight a hundred chances to catch on, and McCrae has also gotten a chance.  The Bombers are not scared to deploy smaller receivers.

The point being this type of receiver has yet to contribute enough to earn a starting spot in the current offence, it just doesn't fit their mix well.  I expect BOLO to be given an opportunity to start this season if there is an opening, he fits in very well to the scheme.

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Our receivers are all fine.  Not sure about that guy they signed from Edmonton.  He was hurt last year, and same this year.  When you are in your thirties, you are not meant to be getting smeared by all those younger defenders. Ellington that is who I am talking about.
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Blue In BC

Lewis is not happy in Montreal at the moment. If he reaches free agency, he'd be high on my list to consider. I like our receiving corps. I just don't know if we lose anybody at the moment. If we do then free agency could be a solution.
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Quote from: Blue In BC on December 03, 2022, 04:18:54 PM
Lewis is not happy in Montreal at the moment. If he reaches free agency, he'd be high on my list to consider. I like our receiving corps. I just don't know if we lose anybody at the moment. If we do then free agency could be a solution.

I'm thinking the coaching staff they assembled will be able to convince him to stay.

I don't see any way we could afford Geno if he hit FA.
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