The Good Bad Ugly at BC

[Tiger]

They should be s
Whistling it dead once the ball carrier s forward progress has been stopped and he?s clearly in the grasp of the defender, which he was here. Whistle this play dead like it should have been and this play doesn?t happen.

Yup problem solved

[dd]

That pisses me off all the time. When the ball carrier is stopped, whistle it dead ASAP to protect the players.

I don?t know why they aren?t as you are inviting injury and cheap shots. It?s such a simple fix, blow your stinking whistle!!

[dd]

Simple fix, they need to penalize that suplex move whenever it happens, can't have degrees of severity, body throws should no longer be permitted.

Ya they do. The move is not required to tackle anyone, it?s unnecessary , and  it?s rough, it?s unnecssary roughness , just call it!!

[Big Daddy]

Simple fix, they need to penalize that suplex move whenever it happens, can't have degrees of severity, body throws should no longer be permitted.

I'm not trying to be controversial, and I do see your point.

One thought on that, though, would be if you have someone from behind and they are fighting to make it to first down (or crossing the goal line).  If you go with the motion the player has instead of using force to flip backward, it could be the difference between yards not gained and a first down (or a TD)

That isn't an extremely rare scenario by any means.  But I am open to being wrong, and welcome other thoughts on this.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I'm not trying to be controversial, and I do see your point.

One thought on that, though, would be if you have someone from behind and they are fighting to make it to first down (or crossing the goal line).  If you go with the motion the player has instead of using force to flip backward, it could be the difference between yards not gained and a first down (or a TD)

That isn't an extremely rare scenario by any means.  But I am open to being wrong, and welcome other thoughts on this.

Yah, I'm not exactly clear of the play you're describing, but in all cases the offensive player is credited with furthest point of advancement, throwing them backwards does not change that unless they backtrack on their own.

[Big Daddy]

Yah, I'm not exactly clear of the play you're describing, but in all cases the offensive player is credited with furthest point of advancement, throwing them backwards does not change that unless they backtrack on their own.

Oh definitely the player is credited with the furthest point, I'm just saying I can see where the suplex move, if it's a battle of weight/drive/momentum, could keep the player from gaining enough ground after to make first down or a TD.  If you've got him and it's a bit of a stalemate where momentum is stopped, just falling sideways could allow him to reach further to make the first down or TD.  Simply tackling him to allow forward momentum to bring him down (tying up the legs or just using weight to force him down) would easily allow more forward positioning for the football.

I just think that could be the difference between yards gained for first down/TD, or not.

[Tiger]

The player with the ball is trying to advance the defender is trying to stop him from advancing.  If you are quick on the whistle the team with the ball will be upset that he did not have the chance to break free or advance more.  If you are slow on the whistle and the defending team has a player come in later (but before the whistle) or momentum is used and it is a hard tackle or supplex then they will be us part when penalized. Further the league likes points because it makes it more like exciting.  So???

You have a choice. 

I think the safe move is the quick whistle that ensures safety.  The more likely and financially better move is later whistle with penalties for hard take downs or later players.

[dd]

The moment Alexander went to pick him up and he wasn?t making forward progress, blow it dead,

[theaardvark]

Simple fix, they need to penalize that suplex move whenever it happens, can't have degrees of severity, body throws should no longer be permitted.

Suplex is when a player lifts the ballcarrier off the ground and slams him. 

A tackle is when a player wrestles the ballcarrier to the ground.

I think the main distinction is lifting the player off the ground... maybe there is a rule of thumb for how high up is a suplex, and how high you can go and still just be a normal tackling motion.

[3rdand1.5]

Simple fix, they need to penalize that suplex move whenever it happens, can't have degrees of severity, body throws should no longer be permitted.

This could/should be something the league looks at this offseason.

[DM83]

Football is a contact sport.  Face it it is violent.  Its been that way for 100 years.  That's part of the game, as is intimidation. a punishing hit seperates the men from the boys.  Yes sometimes someone gets hurt. 

And intimidation is part of the game.  Did you ever play?  if you are a defender, you are asked to "discourage" the ball carrier.  If these  guys have played as an adult, of even a 16 year old, its all part of the game.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

I've heard the term "suplex" being bandied about on this particular post.   In an earlier post I referred to Charles Robert's being "suplexed" which was a belly to back throw down....which is not exactly the same thing Alexander laid on Rhymes.    Belly to back suplex throws are extremely violent and dangerous and should NEVER happen on a football field!   

I searched the net to find the replay of the Robert's play I'm talking about but no luck.  Here is an exact example of how he was thrown to the ground wrestling style....and which incidentally was NOT penalized!   Bob Irving was literally frothing at the mouth on the no call....even back then! 

https://youtu.be/NojPtq5V7FI

[Stats Junkie]

Charles Roberts was tackled violently a few times in career - suplex or choke hold body slam.

The CFL addressed this in the mid 00s and it is now unnecessary roughness when the ball carrier is lifted off the ground and slammed to the turf.

[The Zipp]

if that hit was on Shoen or Demski and they left the game injured people would be crying for a penalty, fine and suspension...it should have been a penalty...Bombers make mistakes too.

[buckzumhoff]

Should not have been a penalty. If it was its a 15 yard penalty. Even the announcers never even mentioned anything after the play.   went to the next call. Rewatched the play. Overreaction to a hit. Want to see dirty hits.  watch montreal. Durtiest hit i seen was marino to the ankles and helmet to the knees. Montreal facemasks and have 3 players on 1 Ottawa player.  Awe and one other pkayer on montreal couldnt contain their emotions