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Question: Which defensive position do we need to improve on the most?
DB - 22 (62.9%)
LB - 5 (14.3%)
DE - 0 (0%)
DT - 3 (8.6%)
All of the above - 5 (14.3%)
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« on: September 19, 2022, 06:28:58 PM »

As we got roasted I figure it's a timely poll
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2022, 07:11:59 PM »

Considering we are playing 2nd and 3rd stringer on some position it's expected to get some bumps.

DE, we lost Hansen, cut Mack and Wilcots on PR. Cooper is new to CFL.
WIL, we are playing 3rd stringer in Gauthier/Briggs in place of Wilson/Clements. Is Clements still a possibility this year? Can we start Cole?
MAC - Is it believed that Biggie is playing hurt. So that's for sure limits him in some way.
DB - Oh where we starts here. Boundary CB - it was Rose, then Houston, who got injured then Rose was back. Safety - Thompson, then Hallet, then Alexandet last game. field-side HB - Taylor, then Holm who I dont think is good enough. Field-side CB - was Glass, then Rose, then Parker. The only spot consistent from TC was Nichol's.

If we want to bring in some vets where will they come from. I think any bottom feeder teams will not gave up a player at the moments since all are still mathematically alive.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2022, 09:02:53 PM »

By "improve" do you really mean "stop having to start third stringers"?

If so, DB is #1 in terms of needing some vets for playoffs. I want Kyrie back. And I want a massive DT but that won't happen. Sayles and Thomas a good but it's not the same as Stove and Nevis. As I was watching the Hamilton game, I kept thinking how we could have selected Ted Laurent instead of Kito Poblah  Cry

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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2022, 09:32:57 PM »

All the above right now

DB
DT
LB

in that order
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2022, 09:59:57 PM »

DB DB DB

I'm rewatching the HAM game and Parker is actually quite serviceable (1.5 quarters in at least).  It's Holm that is way too green and looks lost.  Ideally we bring in a vet IMP to replace Taylor and Holm goes back to depth/PR.

In the meantime, we can still reshuffle to sit Holm and start NAT FS.

But we will miss BA's *boom* at FS... he was bringing the wood on several plays.  Hallett also brings the wood, but isn't quite as scary (yet?).
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2022, 10:38:43 PM »

I'd bring in an NFL cut or 2 for DT....pressure from the D line will make up for alot of short comings on our backend
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2022, 11:21:49 PM »

I'd bring in an NFL cut or 2 for DT....pressure from the D line will make up for alot of short comings on our backend

Sayles is actually ok.  I've been watching him closely.  He's not bad at getting off the blocker.  Not Stove-level, but ok.

If we do Hallett/Thompson at FS we can put a new IMP DT at Fatboi's spot and have Fatboi rotate in.  That might make everyone happier.  Fatboi gets good push but has trouble shedding blocks sometimes, and was getting pushed to the ground a lot vs HAM.

If Jeffcoat is out for any period of time I bet we bring Mack back on the PR or even AR.  But my guess is Jeffcoat will be fine.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2022, 12:28:39 AM »

We need someone of substance on the interior. Sorry JT isn't cutting it, not even close, he just stands in the gap, takes his baby steps, goes nowhere. Sad really that that's all we got , and when you got nothing coming from the middle, you can double the edge and that's the pass rush we have right now, double the edge, take on Sayles and let Fatboi try and get home. Time to let Rudy go.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2022, 02:26:53 PM »

LOTS of focus on the D-Line.
Depending on the d philosophy, the tackles may be "employed as run stoppers." Also they may be responsible for the A and or B gaps. T LBs fill a "next gape so that could be  the C gap.  That is pretty basic.

In that case, the D-line, responsibility, may be to occupy two O line players.  So if you see the tackles  not getting any penetration, being blocked by two guys, they are actually doing their job. The two ends can also flush the QB to "step-up" in the pocket right into where the tackles are.

Now what bothered me, is why isn't one of the LBs rushing.
Of course in a "bend but dont break" philosophy, by dropping into coverage and assume that the offense will eventually make a mistake....is not something I tolerated as a player, and later a coach.

Simply, in any job, receiving additional pressure will likely lead to stress and mistakes. Coach Hall seemed to be reluctant to blitz (maybe knowing his DB suck and therefor tried to help them by reducing their responsibilities and playing almost a prevent defence.

Personally I detest that bend but don't break defence.  I thoroughly believe pressuring the QB equals wins.
In the Hamilton game, Their QB had a dream game.  He stood back there, untouched or even pressured.

It looked like the boys were all out at the Mississauga Tavern the night before, and hung over.

But that's why they play the game. Offence was hitting some great plays.  And I do think they need to bring in some former NFL guys. Alexander was not ready to play.  And the two guys playing safety, earlier this year were making more of an impact.

Mr. Gauthier is too slow.  Mr. Rose doesn't appear interested in playing anymore, as he gets beat all over the field, so much so that I for one am embarrased for him.

On a good note, Zac and the offense line are doing pretty good..

Receivers all played well. Demski -Team leader.  Wow!  # 88 awesome in the last couple game. #83 just super to watch. Orange really surprisingly good.
Needs:  another American receiver who can go deep
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2022, 02:37:29 PM »


Receivers all played well. Demski -Team leader.  Wow!  # 88 awesome in the last couple game. #83 just super to watch. Orange really surprisingly good.
Needs:  another American receiver who can go deep

His name is Agudosi, hopefully he's back soon.
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2022, 03:49:21 PM »

I would have no problem with him.  He played great.  And yes I would be great if he could come back.
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2022, 05:01:32 PM »

To m db is the primary concen followed by linebacker, we can't afford to rest Bighill )can you see a lb core with both Briggs and Gautier in it? Also I'm wodering why Tyrell Jones hasnt been given a chance at cornerback.  He has the speed and athletism
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2022, 05:08:16 PM »

To m db is the primary concen followed by linebacker, we can't afford to rest Bighill )can you see a lb core with both Briggs and Gautier in it? Also I'm wodering why Tyrell Jones hasnt been given a chance at cornerback.  He has the speed and athletism

Tyrell Ford?
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2022, 05:45:07 PM »

To m db is the primary concen followed by linebacker, we can't afford to rest Bighill )can you see a lb core with both Briggs and Gautier in it? Also I'm wodering why Tyrell Jones hasnt been given a chance at cornerback.  He has the speed and athletism

So do Parker and Holm have very good speed. If Ford is better then them, start him but we have no idea whether that is true aside from the fact he's not starting.
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2022, 08:21:01 PM »

So do Parker and Holm have very good speed. If Ford is better than start them but we have no idea whether that is true aside from the fact he's not starting.

Apparently Holm is very fast, he was right with the Ti-Cat receiver who scored the TD on him, if he would have checked on the ball location 1/2 second earlier, he gets the knock down.
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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2022, 01:00:39 AM »

By "improve" do you really mean "stop having to start third stringers"?

If so, DB is #1 in terms of needing some vets for playoffs. I want Kyrie back. And I want a massive DT but that won't happen. Sayles and Thomas a good but it's not the same as Stove and Nevis. As I was watching the Hamilton game, I kept thinking how we could have selected Ted Laurent instead of Kito Poblah  Cry

Could you imagine?!

Kito Poblah! Forgot about that name. What a bust he turned out to be.  He was so mega hyped coming in I recall. Sometimes players just can?t transition to the pro game in any sport really, even first rounders.
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2022, 01:10:57 AM »

Kito Poblah! Forgot about that name. What a bust he turned out to be.  He was so mega hyped coming in I recall. Sometimes players just can?t transition to the pro game in any sport really, even first rounders.
I agree fans who continue to bring up that guy are misguided. What a bust except for a losing effort one LDC I recall.
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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2022, 02:05:55 AM »

Parker has good speed, but I find he plays too far off receivers. 
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2022, 05:23:11 AM »

I agree fans who continue to bring up that guy are misguided. What a bust except for a losing effort one LDC I recall.
Huh

Misguided? How??
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2022, 10:52:57 AM »

So do Parker and Holm have very good speed. If Ford is better then them, start him but we have no idea whether that is true aside from the fact he's not starting.

All of these guys are like Houston last year.

Probably going to be good - but they're getting their feet wet and are going to make mistakes. Who was that old coach who would say every rookie you start is equal to one loss?

I don't think there are solutions to our personell, anyone we bring in (outside of a trade for experience) would be in the same position as a Holm or Parker or Ford.

We need to figure out a way to get more pressure on the QB - I'm personally of the mind we need to be dressing more DL and limiting the Jeff's snaps to keep them fresh. Bring in another DT and DE and move guys around.
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2022, 04:08:14 PM »

All of these guys are like Houston last year.

Probably going to be good - but they're getting their feet wet and are going to make mistakes. Who was that old coach who would say every rookie you start is equal to one loss?

I don't think there are solutions to our personell, anyone we bring in (outside of a trade for experience) would be in the same position as a Holm or Parker or Ford.

We need to figure out a way to get more pressure on the QB - I'm personally of the mind we need to be dressing more DL and limiting the Jeff's snaps to keep them fresh. Bring in another DT and DE and move guys around.

I agree D-Line rotation is key, especially in the playoffs.  If they're not brining in anyone else at least dress Wilcots and give Willy a breather now and then.  I am a feared Jeffcoat may not get back to full health until the off-season, he's been plagued by a nagging injury all season long.
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2022, 04:18:58 PM »

I just mentioned that the Lions released DT Tim Bonner today. Might be worth a call to his agent.
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2022, 04:25:47 PM »

Huh

Misguided? How??
maybe misguided is wrong choice of words. He was just so frustrating here. It aggravates me to here his name!
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2022, 04:52:06 PM »

I just mentioned that the Lions released DT Tim Bonner today. Might be worth a call to his agent.

yup worth a look. I know he played DT with the Leos but at 250 he might be better off the edge giving the Jeff's some breather?
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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2022, 05:04:45 PM »

I just mentioned that the Lions released DT Tim Bonner today. Might be worth a call to his agent.

Go get him Kyle!  He's 6'-5" 250 lbs. only 26 and had 5 sacks in 2021.
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« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2022, 05:36:57 PM »

Go get him Kyle!  He's 6'-5" 250 lbs. only 26 and had 5 sacks in 2021.

Huh. I guess you have to ask why he was released...
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« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2022, 05:40:09 PM »

yup worth a look. I know he played DT with the Leos but at 250 he might be better off the edge giving the Jeff's some breather?

Teams often use DL in various spots on the DL in different positions. Bonner was listed at DT in Vancouver and I have no doubt he may have seen some duty off the edge as well.

Generally I think he's more of a speed guy than a brute force player, but that has it's advantages as well.

He's about the same size as Wilcots for example and I'd view him as an improvement over Wilcots at the moment. He might even be an improvement over Walker who is a little bigger.

The question from him if we speak to him is whether there is a spot on the active roster or only a PR spot.
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« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2022, 05:41:22 PM »

Huh. I guess you have to ask why he was released...

Woody Baron is coming off the 6 game IR after being there the entire season. He became redundant I suppose. Both are reportedly 3 technique DT's.
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« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2022, 06:23:30 PM »

With all the big FA signings I am sure BC doesn't have any cap space. Also in 10 games, he had 5 tackles, 2 sacks, and 1 FF. Not that impressive.
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« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2022, 06:32:52 PM »

Ezekiel Rose. Was with us last year. 6'2" 310 DT. What ever happen to this guy?
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« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2022, 07:29:00 PM »

Woody Baron is coming off the 6 game IR after being there the entire season. He became redundant I suppose. Both are reportedly 3 technique DT's.

That may be part of it but according to 3DN, Bonner was recently taken off the active roster due to a ratio change with Canadian rookie Nathan Cherry taking over the starting job.  I just assumed he was a DE, as a DT not interested at all.
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« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2022, 07:36:25 PM »

That may be part of it but according to 3DN, Bonner was recently taken off the active roster due to a ratio change with Canadian rookie Nathan Cherry taking over the starting job.  I just assumed he was a DE, as a DT not interested at all.

Lions will have to address Baron on the roster in the same way from a ratio point of view. Clearly he has better CFL experience.

I don't have enormous desire to sign Bonner but I would take a look see. We're getting killed in the middle of the DL. He may or may not be better than who we have. The fact we're having issues there does suggest a chance he might be an upgrade.

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« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2022, 07:37:08 PM »

I would think at 250lb. he is not big enough to play DT. Wow BC is loaded when it comes to (N) on their DL.
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« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2022, 07:41:33 PM »

I would think at 250lb. he is not big enough to play DT. Wow BC is loaded when it comes to (N) on their DL.

He is on the lighter side but as I said he may be more of a speed guy than bulk force guy. Not necessarily a full time starter but perhaps a good DI in specific formations.  He might also be capable of rotation outside at DE. In Vancouver they didn't really need him there because of the the NI's they had.
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« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2022, 07:50:40 PM »

4 year vets are all guaranteed full salary even if cut now.. so the only way a team gets SMS relief from a 4yr+ vet is by trading him.  Might we find some teams with SMS$ issues needing to move a vet player?
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« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2022, 08:30:01 PM »

4 year vets are all guaranteed full salary even if cut now.. so the only way a team gets SMS relief from a 4yr+ vet is by trading him.  Might we find some teams with SMS$ issues needing to move a vet player?

Apparently Duke Williams is available.  Cheesy
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« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2022, 08:47:47 PM »

Apparently Duke Williams is available.  Cheesy

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« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2022, 04:15:55 PM »

Bonner just signed with ....you guessed it..the Elks
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« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2022, 04:26:07 PM »

I hear that Richardson might be available to add to the Lions roster in the next couple of weeks. Something will have to give in order to make space on their roster.
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« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2022, 04:27:15 PM »

Maybe talk to Jonathan Woodard's agent if he has interest in coming back in the CFL and play for the Bombers instead of the Riders who hold his rights.
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« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2022, 05:06:15 PM »

Bonner just signed with ....you guessed it..the Elks

Lot's of player movement going on this week throughout the league, hopefully Walters is tuned in and hasn't taken the bye week off.  It doesn't seem like "we're good" is the right approach now with so many injury concerns. 
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