Official Game Day Thread - Winnipeg at Hamilton September 17, 2022

[Pigskin]

This D flat our does have the talent that we did last year.

Stove:      BC $$$ hasn't played a game yet.
Alford:      NFL.
Kongbo:    NFL.
Jones.      Montreal.  $$ Chance of winning GC, Zero.
Darby:      Hamilton
Wilson:     Injured again.
Taylor:      Injured.
Houston:   Excellent replacement for Jones/Alford. Injured.
Alexander: First game back.
Hansen:    Injured.



That's a lot of talented

[GOLDMEMBER]

This D flat our does have the talent that we did last year.

Stove:      BC $$$ has played a game yet.
Alford:      NFL.
Kongbo:    NFL.
Jones.      Montreal.  $$ Chance of winning GC, Zero.
Darby:      Hamilton
Wilson:     Injured again.
Taylor:      Injured.
Houston:   Excellent replacement for Jones/Alford. Injured.
Alexander: First game back.
Hansen:    Injured.



That's a lot of talented

it sure is!

[pjrocksmb]

Thomas is a slug out there. Sooooo slow, I know he?s a NAT and sentimental favourite but time to move on.

Too harsh in my opinion.  Who do you suggest we replace him with?  He has had a great run here and still a contributing player with the right passport.

[Pigskin]

This D flat our does have the talent that we did last year.

Stove:      BC $$$ hasn't played a game yet.
Alford:      NFL.
Kongbo:    NFL.
Jones.      Montreal.  $$ Chance of winning GC, Zero.
Darby:      Hamilton
Wilson:     Injured again.
Taylor:      Injured.
Houston:   Excellent replacement for Jones/Alford. Injured.
Alexander: First game back.
Hansen:    Injured.



That's a lot of talented

Pretty hard to replace your replacements. But we do need to address the lack of DE. JJ and WJ both need a break at some point. Wilcots is young and hasn't done much.

[pjrocksmb]

Ellingson looked great when he played but if he misses the next 3 or 4 games, I'd have to consider him a bust.  Hopefully he redeems himself in the playoffs.

He has been  lights out good and a great signing.  Unfortunately he has got hit by the injury bug.  Overstated on the negative here in my opinion.

I seen a lot of negativity on here which is expected after a beat down and our injuries on D but we need to remember we leaded the league in points allowed to this point and have done a good job dealing with injuries until now.  If we get healthy we have the talent to beat anyone.  We might also bring in a few bodies to shore up our depth and competitiveness if guys are not going to return.

Alexander will make a major impact but needs a few games to get up to speed.

Some challenges ahead that we can likely overcome.  Not concerned with our DL but our DB situation isn't ideal.

Sayles, Walker and Lawson are not the best DT's either. As a group none of them are scaring an offence. Wilcots and Mack were / are busts as well. In theory we could have been limiting using Thomas but the alternatives in house are suspect.

Time to find some new DL for the PR. Maybe we find a gem.

It's going to a long wait until our next game to see if we get any injured players back

I like Sayes and Walker.  Decent players on a rotational basis.  I don't know enough about the rest to comment.  Finding more talent is always a good thing but I would focus on DBs 1st.

[Blue In BC]

He has been  lights out good and a great signing.  Unfortunately he has got hit by the injury bug.  Overstated on the negative here in my opinion.

I seen a lot of negativity on here which is expected after a beat down and our injuries on D but we need to remember we leaded the league in points allowed to this point and have done a good job dealing with injuries until now.  If we get healthy we have the talent to beat anyone.  We might also bring in a few bodies to shore up our depth and competitiveness if guys are not going to return.

Alexander will make a major impact but needs a few games to get up to speed.

Some challenges ahead that we can likely overcome.  Not concerned with our DL but our DB situation isn't ideal.
I like Sayes and Walker.  Decent players on a rotational basis.  I don't know enough about the rest to comment.

Our DT's have not made an impact. At least one of them is a full time starter ( Sayles ) and the others are rotating behind Thomas. Because we've been starting more Canadians than the 7, in theory any of the imports could be starting full time. This is true whether our starting DB's weren't injured or not.

We'd need to see a snap count for each to see who is getting more time on the field.

Mack was cut. Wilcots is on the PR so he's beat out by those not performing particularly well.

So not much here to dispute. Look at most other teams and there are inside rushers teams have to game plan around. If our opponents game plan to take our DE's more out of the picture, the interior players should be doing better.

Thomas has 11 tackles in 14 games. Never more than 2 in any game and some games with none. In 2021 he had 15 DT's in the same number of games ( 14 ).  Obviously we don't have another Canadian DT but that doesn't mean he's having a good season either.

Fan favourite only goes so far for so long.

[TecnoGenius]

Re-Watched part of the game again this morning ( painful ) before turning it off and deleting that game. What I did see is Gauthier all too often in chase mode and / or totally missing what appeared to be his assignment. Sure he led the team in tackles but he was being targeted along with Parker and Holm on that side of the field. Making a tackle 10+ yards down field is better than not making it but I think we need a faster player at WIL.

Gauthier is weak side; Parker/Holm strong side.  Unless they were lining up funny, they shouldn't have been on the same side.  I'll rewatch soon/later.  Might not delete as we need to see exactly how HAM killed our D to fix it.

[Pete]

Our DT's have not made an impact. At least one of them is a full time starter ( Sayles ) and the others are rotating behind Thomas. Because we've been starting more Canadians than the 7, in theory any of the imports could be starting full time. This is true whether our starting DB's weren't injured or not.

We'd need to see a snap count for each to see who is getting more time on the field.

Mack was cut. Wilcots is on the PR so he's beat out by those not performing particularly well.

So not much here to dispute. Look at most other teams and there are inside rushers teams have to game plan around. If our opponents game plan to take our DE's more out of the picture, the interior players should be doing better.

Thomas has 11 tackles in 14 games. Never more than 2 in any game and some games with none. In 2021 he had 15 DT's in the same number of games ( 14 ).  Obviously we don't have another Canadian DT but that doesn't mean he's having a good season either.

Fan favourite only goes so far for so long.

your forgetting about Lawson who has 10 tackles, he has taken reps from thomas.Ive been impressed by him .

[TecnoGenius]

after the bye week it would be nice to see Taylor Ellingson Woli back. I know Wilson and Houston were longer term stuff right?

Taylor is gone for the year.  I think it was a Tait article that finally admitted it was an "achilles injury" (I consider Tait 100% "insider" of WFC and thus has the skinny).  Ya, you could have a strain, not a tear, but based on what I saw, it appears to be yet another achilles.  Even a strain isn't coming back anytime soon or you turn it into a full tear.

We must reshuffle the DBs so strong side isn't just noobs and #3's.  BA can't be at FS, and we need 1 of Nichols/Rose on strong side.  If we insist on IMP at FS (which I don't think we need to do), maybe put Parker back there as he seems to have the right body type and speed.

Personally I'd sit Holm (too green) and play Hallett FS with a reshuffle of DBs to only have 1 rookie on each side max (or none on boundary).

Losing Taylor is the straw that broke the camel's back... at least in The Hammer.  He's one of my favorite players since arriving in '19.  We need the scouts to find another gem like him in other teams' discard pile.

[Blue In BC]

Gauthier is weak side; Parker/Holm strong side.  Unless they were lining up funny, they shouldn't have been on the same side.  I'll rewatch soon/later.  Might not delete as we need to see exactly how HAM killed our D to fix it.

Gauthier seems to be lining up in a multitude of places. He was in the middle a few times in what might have been a 34 defence. I noticed a few times him running to the same sideline that Parker or Holms were playing.

It appeared in that formation he was the underneath coverage and failed in the examples I thought I noticed. It could be that wasn't his assignment but he was running to the ball.

[Blue In BC]

your forgetting about Lawson who has 10 tackles, he has taken reps from thomas.Ive been impressed by him

He might be the future. His output as the rotation DT is nearly the same as Thomas. OTOH, it's not the only stat. What doesn't get recorded is how many did anybody miss or make after chase.

Lawson is just a young player so he will continue to develop.

[Pete]

He might be the future. His output as the rotation DT is nearly the same as Thomas. OTOH, it's not the only stat. What doesn't get recorded is how many did anybody miss or make after chase.

Lawson is just a young player so he will continue to develop.

Where i see a big drop is Bighill,  has seen a decrease in tackles 55 vs 70 ly and our safeties are making more tackles which is never a good thing

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I seen a lot of negativity on here which is expected after a beat down and our injuries on D but we need to remember we leaded the league in points allowed to this point and have done a good job dealing with injuries until now.  If we get healthy we have the talent to beat anyone.  We might also bring in a few bodies to shore up our depth and competitiveness if guys are not going to return.

Who knows if the team will be in good health for the playoffs, they have 2 more byes down the backstretch but there's no magic cure for their depleted depth and the injury bug could continue to bite them all along.  If they don't bring in a few new bodies to rebuild stock, they could be exploited in vulnerable positions in a playoff game as they were by the Ti-Cats.

[pjrocksmb]

Our DT's have not made an impact. At least one of them is a full time starter ( Sayles ) and the others are rotating behind Thomas. Because we've been starting more Canadians than the 7, in theory any of the imports could be starting full time. This is true whether our starting DB's weren't injured or not.

We'd need to see a snap count for each to see who is getting more time on the field.

Mack was cut. Wilcots is on the PR so he's beat out by those not performing particularly well.

So not much here to dispute. Look at most other teams and there are inside rushers teams have to game plan around. If our opponents game plan to take our DE's more out of the picture, the interior players should be doing better.

Thomas has 11 tackles in 14 games. Never more than 2 in any game and some games with none. In 2021 he had 15 DT's in the same number of games ( 14 ).  Obviously we don't have another Canadian DT but that doesn't mean he's having a good season either.

Fan favourite only goes so far for so long.

Make some good points here

Taylor is gone for the year.  I think it was a Tait article that finally admitted it was an "achilles injury" (I consider Tait 100% "insider" of WFC and thus has the skinny).  Ya, you could have a strain, not a tear, but based on what I saw, it appears to be yet another achilles.  Even a strain isn't coming back anytime soon or you turn it into a full tear.

We must reshuffle the DBs so strong side isn't just noobs and #3's.  BA can't be at FS, and we need 1 of Nichols/Rose on strong side.  If we insist on IMP at FS (which I don't think we need to do), maybe put Parker back there as he seems to have the right body type and speed.

Personally I'd sit Holm (too green) and play Hallett FS with a reshuffle of DBs to only have 1 rookie on each side max (or none on boundary).

Losing Taylor is the straw that broke the camel's back... at least in The Hammer.  He's one of my favorite players since arriving in '19.  We need the scouts to find another gem like him in other teams' discard pile.

Disagree on sitting Holm, yes he is green buy I don't see another o[quoption at the moment.

Where i see a big drop is Bighill,  has seen a decrease in tackles 55 vs 70 ly and our safeties are making more tackles which is never a good thing

Biggie has been good this year but not as good as of late.

[dd]

Too harsh in my opinion.  Who do you suggest we replace him with?  He has had a great run here and still a contributing player with the right passport.

no its not. Watch him specifically next game. He gets zero push up field and primarily just stays on the line in the gap he's in. we need more than that from a DT. His passport is what's keeping him in the lineup, we need to draft or acquire a better NAT DT