The Good. The Bad, The Ugly

[blue_or_die]

We won, in part, because of the refs mistake. That's a fact that some fans would rather ignore & don't want other fans to bring up.

When I agree with the masses, I'm just another 'me too'. When I disagree, it stands out. That's why you think I see it the same way every time.

Hint: Don't argue the poster, argue the post. For example: Tell my why you think the refs mistake in our favour does or doesn't matter instead of complaining that I always see things differently than others.

It?s just that you don?t agree with the masses ever, and cherry pick things that point to your consistently negative conclusions. If anyone else posted what you wrote, I wouldn?t even be saying anything but you?ve made it your MO to be antagonistic. In the 12 years I?ve been posting here this has always been the case but for most of that time the Bombers did actually do so much more bad than good so while it was a drag, it was true. Now that we?re doing things extraordinarily well on an historic level, it can be mind boggling to come off beating one of the other top teams in the league for the third time in a season and have your take be that the refs won us the game. It?s more about what you don?t say than what you do, because I?ve never seen you come out with the good with anywhere near the passion you do for the bad. So when people read a post like that, it?s like ?lol, of course, look who it?s coming from?.

[Cool Spot]

I am not sure if this is a Good, Bad, or Ugly, but on Thursday night I was reading the highlights on CFL.ca. I'm going to quote the key paragraph and make an edit to adhere to the rules of the board:

Collaros and the offence stayed on the field, and the pivot fired a pass towards the end zone looking for a score, but the route was read perfectly by Calgary defensive back Brad Muhammad as he stepped in front of the *** for the interception and ended the first half of play.

(Rhymes with pass)



Source: https://www.cfl.ca/games/6254/calgary-stampeders-vs-winnipeg-blue-bombers/#/preview
Date accessed: Aug 25, 2022, 11:09 pm Central (still active as of Aug 27, 2022, 8:32 pm Central)

[Jesse]

Players dive for the ball no matter if the whistle has blown or not. Some players still playing after the whistle and some not is more dangerous than everyone still playing until the whistle.

The refs judgment was wrong, and there is no way for the Command Center to get it right because of the whistle. Simply waiting until the ball is recovered by a team before whistling it dead would fix the problem and the right team would get the ball that they deserve. That's the fair thing to do. Give the ball to the team that earned it.

I'm sure if it was the Stamps who fumbled, retained the ball, got the 3 and won by two, this conversation would go completely differently for most people around here while I'd still be saying that the CFL needs to fix the rule to get it right.

This is not how refs manage the game. They blow the whistle when the play is dead and will continue to do so. We do not know who would have recovered the ball if it was more clear and there hadn't been a whistle - which is why it's ridiculous to say something "should have or could have" happened with the benefit of hindsight and replays.

Everything happened exactly the way it should have due to rules and precedent.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

This is not how refs manage the game. They blow the whistle when the play is dead and will continue to do so. We do not know who would have recovered the ball if it was more clear and there hadn't been a whistle - which is why it's ridiculous to say something "should have or could have" happened with the benefit of hindsight and replays.

Everything happened exactly the way it should have due to rules and precedent.

Blowing plays dead also helps move the game along, wasting 3-5 seconds extra to see what happens on questionable plays adds up and is not good for TSN, the viewing audience or the sponsors promoting the game.

[Tiger]

The refs made some bad calls and they went our way.  TBURGESS is right.  There have been lots of games where the bad calls were against us or were a wash.  That is the way it is. I wish the refs always make the right call but they don?t.

That said Calgary is a good team that played well and we beat them three times. To say or infer that call cost Calgary the game is ludicrous given the number of plays.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

The refs made some bad calls and they went our way.  TBURGESS is right.  There have been lots of games where the bad calls were against us or were a wash.  That is the way it is. I wish the refs always make the right call but they don?t.

That said Calgary is a good team that played well and we beat them three times. To say or infer that call cost Calgary the game is ludicrous given the number of plays.

Agreed....we still had to kill the clock after receiving the punt.   We made 3 crucial first downs....the first one was a pass to McCrae was on 2nd and long and then Johnny A carried the rock, fighting for every inch of turf.   It was a great way for us to end the game as opposed to hoping Paredes misses a 3 pointer on the last play of the game.

[TBURGESS]

Fans want the Refs to get the calls right unless getting it wrong goes our way. A simple solution to getting all fumbles called properly is to wait until the ball is secured before blowing the whistle. (Calgary did recover, just not immediately) Folks come up with excuses for not letting a few plays a season go on for a couple of seconds to get it right. No it isn't for safety. No it isn't to keep the game moving. It's a change that could be put in today with a simple memo to the teams.

Giving the ball to the wrong team is huge, just like the turnover that it should be is. Turnovers change games. Giving the ball to the wrong team does too.

The holding call was by the book. The kind of call that could be, but isn't, called on most running plays. It wasn't a refs mistake to call it. I agree with Matty that there wasn't enough there to call it especially in that situation. I didn't like it at the time. I don't like it now. It was another 'ref helps to decide the game' call & I'm a 'let the players decide the game' kinda guy.

I mostly agree with the masses. Folks admit that they'd leave posts alone if wasn't me posting. Classic arguing the poster instead of the post. I've seen the same 'arguments' over and over no matter what I post. You're always negative. No I'm not. You're not happy with or will never be happy with the Bombers. I am happy with the Bombers.  'What if' this or that happened? So what, this or that didn't happen. You're cherry picking. You mean giving facts that support my opinion. You'd say X if Y happened. Nope, just nope. Your saying X when I didn't say nor mean X.

When you take out the arguing the poster instead of the post, we'd be down to the actual substance. That could usually be handled in 3 or 4 posts.

[blue_or_die]

Fans want the Refs to get the calls right unless getting it wrong goes our way. A simple solution to getting all fumbles called properly is to wait until the ball is secured before blowing the whistle. (Calgary did recover, just not immediately) Folks come up with excuses for not letting a few plays a season go on for a couple of seconds to get it right. No it isn't for safety. No it isn't to keep the game moving. It's a change that could be put in today with a simple memo to the teams.

Giving the ball to the wrong team is huge, just like the turnover that it should be is. Turnovers change games. Giving the ball to the wrong team does too.

The holding call was by the book. The kind of call that could be, but isn't, called on most running plays. It wasn't a refs mistake to call it. I agree with Matty that there wasn't enough there to call it especially in that situation. I didn't like it at the time. I don't like it now. It was another 'ref helps to decide the game' call & I'm a 'let the players decide the game' kinda guy.

I mostly agree with the masses. Folks admit that they'd leave posts alone if wasn't me posting. Classic arguing the poster instead of the post. I've seen the same 'arguments' over and over no matter what I post. You're always negative. No I'm not. You're not happy with or will never be happy with the Bombers. I am happy with the Bombers.  'What if' this or that happened? So what, this or that didn't happen. You're cherry picking. You mean giving facts that support my opinion. You'd say X if Y happened. Nope, just nope. Your saying X when I didn't say nor mean X.

When you take out the arguing the poster instead of the post, we'd be down to the actual substance. That could usually be handled in 3 or 4 posts.

I absolutely am arguing the poster and not the post in this case. Others are arguing your post just fine by the way, but I?m pointing out that you practically never argue for anything the Bombers? way. This isn?t about your post it?s about how you passionately reduce good things the Bombers do and passionately call out the negative things they do. That?s not being this ?objective, voice of reason? caricature on here that you might think you are. Even if you agree and are happy with the good things the Bombers do (and this is the first Im hearing about it), that?s great, but forgive people for thinking that?s not the case when you spend most of your time on here being the contrarian. You?re gonna hear about it every once in a while.

[dd]

One poster is ultra negative, another is ultra ultra positive. Ones Eeyore, the other Susie Sunshine. That?s their schtick

[TBURGESS]

I absolutely am arguing the poster and not the post in this case. Others are arguing your post just fine by the way, but I?m pointing out that you practically never argue for anything the Bombers? way. This isn?t about your post it?s about how you passionately reduce good things the Bombers do and passionately call out the negative things they do. That?s not being this ?objective, voice of reason? caricature on here that you might think you are. Even if you agree and are happy with the good things the Bombers do (and this is the first Im hearing about it), that?s great, but forgive people for thinking that?s not the case when you spend most of your time on here being the contrarian. You?re gonna hear about it every once in a while.

Of course you are arguing the poster not the post. You always do & now you're pretending it's just every once in a while.

How is arguing for the refs getting calls right reducing the good things the Bombers do or calling them out negatively? Answer: It's not.

How is saying the RTP call is the way they've been calling it all season against the Bombers? Answer: It's not.

How is saying don't make chintzy calls in the last 3 minutes against the Bombers? Answer: It's not.

I'd be making the same arguments if it was any other team in the league. For Example: I made the same complaint about chintzy calls in the last 3 minutes in the Riders/Lions thread.

All your doing is repeating the same nonsense, ad-nauseam. I'm a passionate Bomber fan. I've been one since the mid-60's. I don't 'forgive' people for thinking otherwise. Stop 'reading things into' what I type. You're not good at it.

[blue_or_die]

Of course you are arguing the poster not the post. You always do & now you're pretending it's just every once in a while.

How is arguing for the refs getting calls right reducing the good things the Bombers do or calling them out negatively? Answer: It's not.

How is saying the RTP call is the way they've been calling it all season against the Bombers? Answer: It's not.

How is saying don't make chintzy calls in the last 3 minutes against the Bombers? Answer: It's not.

I'd be making the same arguments if it was any other team in the league. For Example: I made the same complaint about chintzy calls in the last 3 minutes in the Riders/Lions thread.

All your doing is repeating the same nonsense, ad-nauseam. I'm a passionate Bomber fan. I've been one since the mid-60's. I don't 'forgive' people for thinking otherwise. Stop 'reading things into' what I type. You're not good at it.

Aww now you?re attacking the poster and not the post 

You?re continuing to miss the point. I?ve made it clear that the problem is not that you say something that?s not factual (although there is for sure merit to that argument as others have pointed out in this particular case but not what I?m getting at). The problem is that you ignore the good and highlight the bad. Consistently. Actually, it?s funny that the single example you give contrary to that is a game that didn?t even involve the Bombers 

Also, no need to pull the ?I?m a passionate Bomber fan and have been forever?, because I never accused you of not being one. Boy, if you weren?t a Bomber fan and spent your time coming on here just to tilt the mood against us, that would be flat out trolling and no way I would ever accuse you of that!

Lastly, there?s no ?reading into? what you type. Your MO is very clear when you consistently highlight the negative over the positive. Especially more so now when you say ?Mike O?Shea only became a good coach when Collaros came around? and say that we won our last game cuz refs.

[Pigskin]

Getting back to the topic, I will add JA27 to my list of good. JA27 has played much at RB all season. Apparently has an ankle injury, but came in did a nice job.

[ModAdmin]

Getting back to the topic, I will add JA27 to my list of good. JA27 has played much at RB all season. Apparently has an ankle injury, but came in did a nice job.

"Getting back to the topic" is a good thing.  The discussion on fan-dom has run its course.  Thank you.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

Getting back to the topic, I will add JA27 to my list of good. JA27 has played much at RB all season. Apparently has an ankle injury, but came in did a nice job.

Yes....Doug Brown mentioned that JA still appeared a tad off his normal form and perhaps he's not 100% when it comes to explosiveness through the hole.   He ran hard though in that last sequence of first downs to run out the clock.   You just had a feeling if Calgary got the ball back they would get it in close enough for Paredes to make the game winning FG for them.   Well that didn't happen and we controlled our own destiny by just making 3 consecutive first downs when the game was on the line....and despite the calls good or bad from the refs....we took complete control of the game with a 2 point lead.   Well done!!

[buckzumhoff]

Collaros arm was in motion throwing the ball. Ref made the right call calling the play dead.. Dickenson and chris jones challenge all tge time. Thats the way they coach. Bc edmonton calgary throw the flag all the time. Ottawa too..