The Good. The Bad, The Ugly

[ModAdmin]

The Good

A gutsy win by the Blue and Gold
Terrific, entertaining football game.
Greg McCrae
Nic Demsksi
Buck Pierce's game calling

The Bad

Calgary kept it far to close
Zach's 2 interceptions in the end zone...but played well in the rest of the game.
Winston getting beat badly on a Calgary TD

The Ugly

Roughing call on Willie.  Absolute nonsensical call.

[GOLDMEMBER]

Good

Brady
Zach
Demski
McRae made some plays
OL was much better
Leggio
Crowd!


Bad

Rose
Lack of interior DL pressure
Willis needs to step up
Turnovers!

Ugly

Nothing

[The Zipp]

Our hurry up offense is a hot mess. 

[Tee42]

We won. Defense, don?t want to call them ugly but? Office much better. Legs, got to give him credit to bounce back after the last showing. There have been so many eyes on special teams, and kicking, it shows that this Kicker has the mental capacity to be a great kicker. Let?s focus on the areas that really need improvement. OurD has been stellar in the past but what happened today?

[pjrocksmb]

Good
Offense for most part
D tightened up
Demski
McRae
Bad
A few nicked up guys
Ugly
Red zone picks (more so 1st one)

[Pigskin]

Good:

Woli, McRae, ND10, BO20, ZC8.
OL was much better
Leggs, perfect night.
Return game was was good.
Another win.

BAD:

D was not very good for the first 52 minutes.
AB4 missed a lot of tackles.
Injuries: BO20, Rene, and Houston.
ZC8: 2 more Int's and another fumble.

[1chad]

Good:
Oline improved
Offence overall much better at their timing
Next man up mentality of the BB really shown!

Bad - INTs in the red zone

Ugly - injuries - looks like one or more guys will miss multiple games

[The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB]

Good:
Demski
McRae TD
Oliveira
Liegghio
Rutledge
O-line
Only 1 penalty for 15 yards (BS call from what I saw)
900 yards of offence combined
Linesman with the TD call from his butt

Bad:
Injury timing on the first CAL TD
No takeaways
Endzone picks
Taylor on punt returns

Ugly:
If I hear another country music song I'm gonna SNAP!

[Lincoln Locomotive]

The Good:
- Rutledge with 10 tackles
- McCrae making a spectacular TD grab and showing his versatility
- Demski was a stud tonight....
- Legghio was batting a  1000 tonight.....great bounce back game for him
- Zach making big  plays when they count after throwing 2 end zone picks
- all our receivers made BIG plays when we needed them
- Jake Maier is the new Stamp QB....awesome game!
- Carey and Logan a great 1/2 combination
- Bomber fans
- for thrills it doesn't get much better than that....


Bad
- two end zone picks
- injuries, injuries and more injuries
- RTP call wiping out a defensive TD which would have sealed the game

Ugly

- Houston pulling up lame on Calgarys first TD and then carting off his backup only a few plays later.

[TBURGESS]

The Good:
Two good teams battling right down to the end - What more can a fan ask for?
Another close win - They don't ask how, they ask how many
McCrae - That TD catch was Burn-em-Esc
Demski - When we needed a big play he provided it
Jefferson - Beat their tackle consistently

The Bad:
Reffing - Quick whistle gave us the ball back + 3 unearned points. Phantom holding call on 3rd down gave us the ball back. Those 2 calls gave us the win. Teams should decide the game, not the refs.
Collaros - Two end zone picks + a fumble

The Ugly:
More injuries

FTR:
The Jefferson RTP was the right call. The CFL has been consistent about hitting a QB in the head/shoulder area being RTP. It was an incomplete pass, not a fumble and a TD.
Roughing the kicker has nothing to do with roughing the passer.
The call was right on the quick whistle. Calgary didn't immediately get the ball after the fumble. The problem was the quick whistle in the first place. Let it play out, then give the command center the final call.

[bwiser]

The Good-Demski was outstanding all game
              -Great crowd
              -Bombers find a way to win a tight game
              -Parker playing decent after being thrown into a difficult situation
The Bad-Defence gave up way too many yards on the ground
            -Way too many missed tackles
            -Taylor looked lost on special teams
The Ugly-The officiating left a lot to be desired, bad calls both ways
             -turnovers
             -injuries

[Pigskin]

I like the way Parker returns kick offs.

[jayrock]

FTR:
The Jefferson RTP was the right call. The CFL has been consistent about hitting a QB in the head/shoulder area being RTP. It was an incomplete pass, not a fumble and a TD.
Roughing the kicker has nothing to do with roughing the passer.
The call was right on the quick whistle. Calgary didn't immediately get the ball after the fumble. The problem was the quick whistle in the first place. Let it play out, then give the command center the final call.

I agree 100%

[theaardvark]

Good:

Win
Weather
Crowd
Demski
Liegghio
Collaros (most of the time)
Prokup
Oliviera
Augustine (next man up)
Parker (most of the time) (Next man up)
Dressing 3 globals who contributed
4th quarter D stepping up
Did I say Win?

Bad
Injuries (hopefully Houston was not as bad as it looked, and Oliviera isn't serious)
Reffing (both sides, thank you eye in the sky for the "Forward Progress" first down.)
Collaros (occasionally)   
1st, 2nd, 3rd quarter defence

Ugly
Houston pulling up on the first TD
Attempted wave when we are behind
Many of the fans attempts at "Cowboy night"
Losing the turnover battle

[Nic16]

The Good:
Two good teams battling right down to the end - What more can a fan ask for?
Another close win - They don't ask how, they ask how many
McCrae - That TD catch was Burn-em-Esc
Demski - When we needed a big play he provided it
Jefferson - Beat their tackle consistently

The Bad:
Reffing - Quick whistle gave us the ball back + 3 unearned points. Phantom holding call on 3rd down gave us the ball back. Those 2 calls gave us the win. Teams should decide the game, not the refs.
Collaros - Two end zone picks + a fumble

The Ugly:
More injuries

FTR:
The Jefferson RTP was the right call. The CFL has been consistent about hitting a QB in the head/shoulder area being RTP. It was an incomplete pass, not a fumble and a TD.
Roughing the kicker has nothing to do with roughing the passer.
The call was right on the quick whistle. Calgary didn't immediately get the ball after the fumble. The problem was the quick whistle in the first place. Let it play out, then give the command center the final call.

I disagree with both your points on the penalty calls, but agree with you on the fumble call.

The RTP call on WJ5 was a phantom call. My opinion is based on what I saw at the game and from what I?ve read in post game articles and tweets from former CFLers.

The call on Calgary?s OC  was clearly a hold on Bighill. The OC  prevented the MAC from escaping the middle of the line to pursue the RB. You could argue holding goes on all the time, but on a critical play where the RB, OC & MAC are the key players - it was an easy call to make.

The play call was to get the RB outside and away from the MAC, and the OC was assigned to keep the MAC from tracking behind the line to pursue or cut off the angle of the RB?s run. The OC didn?t get in front of the MAC, so he elected to hold him just enough to prevent the MAC from getting the edge on the RB.

One could debate if the hold was needed to prevent the play, as it did appear as though the RB got a good jump on the MAC. But neither the OC or ref could see or make that judgement. Thus the hold & the call we?re made.

And let?s remember the BB O moved the ball and killed the clock when they needed to, and they were in FG range on the final drive.

It was a great game by both teams and a well-deserved win by the BB - who battled thru losing a couple of key starters (Houston & Oliveira) in the 1st half.

[blue_or_die]

The Good:
Two good teams battling right down to the end - What more can a fan ask for?
Another close win - They don't ask how, they ask how many
McCrae - That TD catch was Burn-em-Esc
Demski - When we needed a big play he provided it
Jefferson - Beat their tackle consistently

The Bad:
Reffing - Quick whistle gave us the ball back + 3 unearned points. Phantom holding call on 3rd down gave us the ball back. Those 2 calls gave us the win. Teams should decide the game, not the refs.
Collaros - Two end zone picks + a fumble

The Ugly:
More injuries

FTR:
The Jefferson RTP was the right call. The CFL has been consistent about hitting a QB in the head/shoulder area being RTP. It was an incomplete pass, not a fumble and a TD.
Roughing the kicker has nothing to do with roughing the passer.
The call was right on the quick whistle. Calgary didn't immediately get the ball after the fumble. The problem was the quick whistle in the first place. Let it play out, then give the command center the final call.

oOoOo you're so edgy!

[TBURGESS]

oOoOo you're so edgy!

Not trying to be edgy. They've been calling RTP's that way for at least a year now.

[VictorRomano]

BAD:

AB4 missed a lot of tackles.

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed.  Biggie looked like a pylon on a couple of those big runs up the gut.  Off game, I'm sure, but you're the heart of the D, man, and you get paid top dollar to be the best in the league.  Do better next week.

[Nic16]

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed.  Biggie looked like a pylon on a couple of those big runs up the gut.  Off game, I'm sure, but you're the heart of the D, man, and you get paid top dollar to be the best in the league.  Do better next week.

?I think Biggie has earned himself a mulligan or 2.

[Pigskin]

Like I said a lot of players missed tackles last night. AB4 missing tackles is just something we are not use to. AB4 will be on a mission for LD classic.

[GOLDMEMBER]

Like I said a lot of players missed tackles last night. AB4 missing tackles is just something we are not use to. AB4 will be on a mission for LD classic.

he bloody well better be!

[gordo]

he bloody well better be!

He?s been good/great all year but last night #20 made #4 look silly.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

He?s been good/great all year but last night #20 made #4 look silly.

Both Logan and Carey make a lot of LBs look silly.   They are the best 1-2 RB combo in the league.    Logan has amazing acceleration aka Charles Roberts.   Carey is a great power back with great speed as well.   

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Both Logan and Carey make a lot of LBs look silly.   They are the best 1-2 RB combo in the league.    Logan has amazing acceleration aka Charles Roberts.   Carey is a great power back with great speed as well.   

If Logan played the entire season from the start I think he would challenge Schoen for best rookie award.  He's an excellent RB, Dedrick Mills is no slouch either and he's currently sitting on the Stamps PR, LaPo should go after him.  I sure don't want to see the Stamps again in the W.F., I'd choose the Lions with Rourke as opponents any day.

[the paw]

I thought Calgary did a good job scheming to get a blocker into the second level and onto Bighill.  He typically sheds those blocks, but with Logan and Carey you really don't get much time to do so.  And let's face it, there really aren't any linebackers who can move laterally to keep up with Logan, you need a DHB or OLB to turn those back inside.

[gordo]

Very Good
McRae got to find a way to keep him as a starter

Good
Zach
Our kicker?!?! Was real good.
Wally
Pruk with a td pass. Who knew?
The crowd
The night
The game. A beauty.
CFL Football

[Lincoln Locomotive]

I thought Calgary did a good job scheming to get a blocker into the second level and onto Bighill.  He typically sheds those blocks, but with Logan and Carey you really don't get much time to do so.  And let's face it, there really aren't any linebackers who can move laterally to keep up with Logan, you need a DHB or OLB to turn those back inside.

Good observations....Doug Brown commented on this and the explosiveness of both runners gets them by the LBs in an instant and then the secondary has the job of cleaning up.   

[blue_or_die]

Not trying to be edgy. They've been calling RTP's that way for at least a year now.

You have your narrative that calls go the Bombers? way and never the other way around. Your post calls their chintz penalty legit and ours phantom. Like always.

Maybe one day the Bombers will be good enough for you.

[GOLDMEMBER]

You have your narrative that calls go the Bombers? way and never the other way around. Your post calls their chintz penalty legit and ours phantom. Like always.

Maybe one day the Bombers will be good enough for you.

TBurg just calls it like HE sees it. He certainly confuses me him being a Blue Bomber fan sometimes.

[gordo]

TBurg just calls it like HE sees it. He certainly confuses me him being a Blue Bomber fan sometimes.

Provides a little balance to all of the other regulars who like to post how we get stiffed by the refs. Im fine with being objective and opinions that take the other side.

And I?m a Bomber fan too.

[TBURGESS]

You have your narrative that calls go the Bombers? way and never the other way around. Your post calls their chintz penalty legit and ours phantom. Like always.

Maybe one day the Bombers will be good enough for you.

I call them the way I see them. The RTP has been called that way all year on all teams, not just ours. There was one on the Riders last night where Sankey didn't hit the head, but took an RTP for a pile drive. QB's are football's life blood. Refs protect them, even if it's not in the rule book in black and white.

I don't think chintzy calls should be called in the last 3 minutes on any team. Last night it was a chintzy illegal contact penalty that stopped BC from getting a very small chance to tie up the game late.

The Bombers are good enough for me. They're the best in the league. That doesn't change the Reffing mistakes, or that we got 3 un-earned points to win by 2. For me, being a fan is looking at the good, the bad, and the ugly.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

TBurg just calls it like HE sees it. He certainly confuses me him being a Blue Bomber fan sometimes.

...that makes two of us however he does make some valid points....but yeah I'm confused by them on occasion...lol!

[elder]

I call them the way I see them. The RTP has been called that way all year on all teams, not just ours. There was one on the Riders last night where Sankey didn't hit the head, but took an RTP for a pile drive. QB's are football's life blood. Refs protect them, even if it's not in the rule book in black and white.

I don't think chintzy calls should be called in the last 3 minutes on any team. Last night it was a chintzy illegal contact penalty that stopped BC from getting a very small chance to tie up the game late.

The Bombers are good enough for me. They're the best in the league. That doesn't change the Reffing mistakes, or that we got 3 un-earned points to win by 2. For me, being a fan is looking at the good, the bad, and the ugly.

I completely agree.

[blue_or_die]

I call them the way I see them. The RTP has been called that way all year on all teams, not just ours. There was one on the Riders last night where Sankey didn't hit the head, but took an RTP for a pile drive. QB's are football's life blood. Refs protect them, even if it's not in the rule book in black and white.

I don't think chintzy calls should be called in the last 3 minutes on any team. Last night it was a chintzy illegal contact penalty that stopped BC from getting a very small chance to tie up the game late.

The Bombers are good enough for me. They're the best in the league. That doesn't change the Reffing mistakes, or that we got 3 un-earned points to win by 2. For me, being a fan is looking at the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Pointing out facts like that is completely fine but your post was just so typical of you. You?re basically saying we lost because of the refs when, had the calls gone the other way and our fan base is up in arms, you?d dismiss it as ?coulda woulda shoulda, that?s football, excuses are for losers, we did it to ourselves by putting us in that position where a bad call could even play a factor?.

Again, it?s not that I don?t think you have a point, it?s just that you ?call it like you see it? a very particular way. Every time.

[Jesse]

I call them the way I see them. The RTP has been called that way all year on all teams, not just ours. There was one on the Riders last night where Sankey didn't hit the head, but took an RTP for a pile drive. QB's are football's life blood. Refs protect them, even if it's not in the rule book in black and white.

I don't think chintzy calls should be called in the last 3 minutes on any team. Last night it was a chintzy illegal contact penalty that stopped BC from getting a very small chance to tie up the game late.

The Bombers are good enough for me. They're the best in the league. That doesn't change the Reffing mistakes, or that we got 3 un-earned points to win by 2. For me, being a fan is looking at the good, the bad, and the ugly.

It's not that you're wrong - though I believe you are on a couple of points - it's that you point out the couple of plays that went our way and suggest it should have gone the other way.

It would be just as easy to look at close calls/plays that went Calgary's way - but that's not where your head goes.

[TBURGESS]

It's not that you're wrong - though I believe you are on a couple of points - it's that you point out the couple of plays that went our way and suggest it should have gone the other way.

It would be just as easy to look at close calls/plays that went Calgary's way - but that's not where your head goes.

It's not about close calls that went our way. It's about the Ref's mistake that went our way, gave us the ball that we didn't deserve & 3 points that we didn't deserve. As we won by 2 points, that was one of, if not the, turning point of the game & it had nothing at all to do with how well we played. It was a gift from the ref.

Maybe the rule needs to change so this can't happen any more. No whistle until the ball is recovered. That guarantees the right team gets the ball every time.

[TBURGESS]

Pointing out facts like that is completely fine but your post was just so typical of you. You?re basically saying we lost because of the refs when, had the calls gone the other way and our fan base is up in arms, you?d dismiss it as ?coulda woulda shoulda, that?s football, excuses are for losers, we did it to ourselves by putting us in that position where a bad call could even play a factor?.

Again, it?s not that I don?t think you have a point, it?s just that you ?call it like you see it? a very particular way. Every time.

We won, in part, because of the refs mistake. That's a fact that some fans would rather ignore & don't want other fans to bring up.

When I agree with the masses, I'm just another 'me too'. When I disagree, it stands out. That's why you think I see it the same way every time.

Hint: Don't argue the poster, argue the post. For example: Tell my why you think the refs mistake in our favour does or doesn't matter instead of complaining that I always see things differently than others.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

We won, in part, because of the refs mistake. That's a fact that some fans would rather ignore & don't want other fans to bring up.

When I agree with the masses, I'm just another 'me too'. When I disagree, it stands out. That's why you think I see it the same way every time.

Hint: Don't argue the poster, argue the post. For example: Tell my why you think the refs mistake in our favour does or doesn't matter instead of complaining that I always see things differently than others.

I want to see a review of the holding call on Bighill, but I suspect he was close to tackling the RB in the backfield on that play and that may have been the reason it was called.

[TBURGESS]

I want to see a review of the holding call on Bighill, but I suspect he was close to tackling the RB in the backfield on that play and that may have been the reason it was called.

There's a review on the game 'film'. Matty comments on it. He didn't like the call. I'm with Matty on it.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

We won, in part, because of the refs mistake. That's a fact that some fans would rather ignore & don't want other fans to bring up.

When I agree with the masses, I'm just another 'me too'. When I disagree, it stands out. That's why you think I see it the same way every time.

Hint: Don't argue the poster, argue the post. For example: Tell my why you think the refs mistake in our favour does or doesn't matter instead of complaining that I always see things differently than others.

Fact is even after the call was made the Stamps had an opportunity to pin the Bombers deep in our end with a 2 and out....with still plenty of time to get the ball back and move into Paredes range.   We gained possession and controlled the ball making two critical first downs and crossing into Stamp territory to then kill the clock.   That's a good way to win a game....penalties, miscues and the like happen in any sport and to say the Bombers won the game because of that late holding call isn't really accurate.   The Bombers, once again found a way to win a game that could have gone either way!   

I'm betting that the Stamps and the Bombers play against one another in the West final and I'm betting we'll have a similar game....another war between to well matched and well coached teams.    Jake Maier will be even better with 8 games more under his belt.   Zach will have to be better as well and not throw those end zone picks.    The fact that we still won the game despite those two momentum killing picks is in itself amazing!

I'd really like to see someone post a video of that RTP penalty that wiped out a sack, fumble and score by the Bomber D.   Doug Brown commented on OB Radio that he thought the Bombers got the short end of the stick on that call

[Jesse]

It's not about close calls that went our way. It's about the Ref's mistake that went our way, gave us the ball that we didn't deserve & 3 points that we didn't deserve. As we won by 2 points, that was one of, if not the, turning point of the game & it had nothing at all to do with how well we played. It was a gift from the ref.

Maybe the rule needs to change so this can't happen any more. No whistle until the ball is recovered. That guarantees the right team gets the ball every time.

The whistle's are intentionally blown when the play is believed dead to avoid the injuries that occur when players are diving for balls. I am positive that this is exactly the way the league wants it to be done.

During live play - the refs made a judgment call that it was an incomplete pass and blew the whistle - that is the correct thing to do. You can look at it with hindsight and say it should have been differently - but nothing was done wrong or called wrong from that point.

[Blue In BC]

Fact is even after the call was made the Stamps had an opportunity to pin the Bombers deep in our end with a 2 and out....with still plenty of time to get the ball back and move into Paredes range.   We gained possession and controlled the ball making two critical first downs and crossing into Stamp territory to then kill the clock.   That's a good way to win a game....penalties, miscues and the like happen in any sport and to say the Bombers won the game because of that late holding call isn't really accurate.   The Bombers, once again found a way to win a game that could have gone either way!   

I'm betting that the Stamps and the Bombers play against one another in the West final and I'm betting we'll have a similar game....another war between to well matched and well coached teams.    Jake Maier will be even better with 8 games more under his belt.   Zach will have to be better as well and not throw those end zone picks.    The fact that we still won the game despite those two momentum killing picks is in itself amazing!

I'd really like to see someone post a video of that RTP penalty that wiped out a sack, fumble and score by the Bomber D.   Doug Brown commented on OB Radio that he thought the Bombers got the short end of the stick on that call

It was an incomplete pass so there wouldn't have been a TD in any case.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

It was an incomplete pass so there wouldn't have been a TD in any case.

would still like to see the replay....one of the disadvantages of listening to the games on radio is no instant replay.   

[TBURGESS]

The whistle's are intentionally blown when the play is believed dead to avoid the injuries that occur when players are diving for balls. I am positive that this is exactly the way the league wants it to be done.

During live play - the refs made a judgment call that it was an incomplete pass and blew the whistle - that is the correct thing to do. You can look at it with hindsight and say it should have been differently - but nothing was done wrong or called wrong from that point.

Players dive for the ball no matter if the whistle has blown or not. Some players still playing after the whistle and some not is more dangerous than everyone still playing until the whistle.

The refs judgment was wrong, and there is no way for the Command Center to get it right because of the whistle. Simply waiting until the ball is recovered by a team before whistling it dead would fix the problem and the right team would get the ball that they deserve. That's the fair thing to do. Give the ball to the team that earned it.

I'm sure if it was the Stamps who fumbled, retained the ball, got the 3 and won by two, this conversation would go completely differently for most people around here while I'd still be saying that the CFL needs to fix the rule to get it right.

[dd]

You ll never eliminate the inadvertent whistle. Refs blow the play dead when they think it?s dead. An error in judgement, and you get an inadvertent whistle and we.re all human. Yes we benefitted from the early whistle and someday it will be the other way. And it?s not like the points were gifted to us, Legs still had to make the kick, which isn?t automatic.

[blue_or_die]

We won, in part, because of the refs mistake. That's a fact that some fans would rather ignore & don't want other fans to bring up.

When I agree with the masses, I'm just another 'me too'. When I disagree, it stands out. That's why you think I see it the same way every time.

Hint: Don't argue the poster, argue the post. For example: Tell my why you think the refs mistake in our favour does or doesn't matter instead of complaining that I always see things differently than others.

It?s just that you don?t agree with the masses ever, and cherry pick things that point to your consistently negative conclusions. If anyone else posted what you wrote, I wouldn?t even be saying anything but you?ve made it your MO to be antagonistic. In the 12 years I?ve been posting here this has always been the case but for most of that time the Bombers did actually do so much more bad than good so while it was a drag, it was true. Now that we?re doing things extraordinarily well on an historic level, it can be mind boggling to come off beating one of the other top teams in the league for the third time in a season and have your take be that the refs won us the game. It?s more about what you don?t say than what you do, because I?ve never seen you come out with the good with anywhere near the passion you do for the bad. So when people read a post like that, it?s like ?lol, of course, look who it?s coming from?.

[Cool Spot]

I am not sure if this is a Good, Bad, or Ugly, but on Thursday night I was reading the highlights on CFL.ca. I'm going to quote the key paragraph and make an edit to adhere to the rules of the board:

Collaros and the offence stayed on the field, and the pivot fired a pass towards the end zone looking for a score, but the route was read perfectly by Calgary defensive back Brad Muhammad as he stepped in front of the *** for the interception and ended the first half of play.

(Rhymes with pass)



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[Jesse]

Players dive for the ball no matter if the whistle has blown or not. Some players still playing after the whistle and some not is more dangerous than everyone still playing until the whistle.

The refs judgment was wrong, and there is no way for the Command Center to get it right because of the whistle. Simply waiting until the ball is recovered by a team before whistling it dead would fix the problem and the right team would get the ball that they deserve. That's the fair thing to do. Give the ball to the team that earned it.

I'm sure if it was the Stamps who fumbled, retained the ball, got the 3 and won by two, this conversation would go completely differently for most people around here while I'd still be saying that the CFL needs to fix the rule to get it right.

This is not how refs manage the game. They blow the whistle when the play is dead and will continue to do so. We do not know who would have recovered the ball if it was more clear and there hadn't been a whistle - which is why it's ridiculous to say something "should have or could have" happened with the benefit of hindsight and replays.

Everything happened exactly the way it should have due to rules and precedent.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

This is not how refs manage the game. They blow the whistle when the play is dead and will continue to do so. We do not know who would have recovered the ball if it was more clear and there hadn't been a whistle - which is why it's ridiculous to say something "should have or could have" happened with the benefit of hindsight and replays.

Everything happened exactly the way it should have due to rules and precedent.

Blowing plays dead also helps move the game along, wasting 3-5 seconds extra to see what happens on questionable plays adds up and is not good for TSN, the viewing audience or the sponsors promoting the game.

[Tiger]

The refs made some bad calls and they went our way.  TBURGESS is right.  There have been lots of games where the bad calls were against us or were a wash.  That is the way it is. I wish the refs always make the right call but they don?t.

That said Calgary is a good team that played well and we beat them three times. To say or infer that call cost Calgary the game is ludicrous given the number of plays.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

The refs made some bad calls and they went our way.  TBURGESS is right.  There have been lots of games where the bad calls were against us or were a wash.  That is the way it is. I wish the refs always make the right call but they don?t.

That said Calgary is a good team that played well and we beat them three times. To say or infer that call cost Calgary the game is ludicrous given the number of plays.

Agreed....we still had to kill the clock after receiving the punt.   We made 3 crucial first downs....the first one was a pass to McCrae was on 2nd and long and then Johnny A carried the rock, fighting for every inch of turf.   It was a great way for us to end the game as opposed to hoping Paredes misses a 3 pointer on the last play of the game.

[TBURGESS]

Fans want the Refs to get the calls right unless getting it wrong goes our way. A simple solution to getting all fumbles called properly is to wait until the ball is secured before blowing the whistle. (Calgary did recover, just not immediately) Folks come up with excuses for not letting a few plays a season go on for a couple of seconds to get it right. No it isn't for safety. No it isn't to keep the game moving. It's a change that could be put in today with a simple memo to the teams.

Giving the ball to the wrong team is huge, just like the turnover that it should be is. Turnovers change games. Giving the ball to the wrong team does too.

The holding call was by the book. The kind of call that could be, but isn't, called on most running plays. It wasn't a refs mistake to call it. I agree with Matty that there wasn't enough there to call it especially in that situation. I didn't like it at the time. I don't like it now. It was another 'ref helps to decide the game' call & I'm a 'let the players decide the game' kinda guy.

I mostly agree with the masses. Folks admit that they'd leave posts alone if wasn't me posting. Classic arguing the poster instead of the post. I've seen the same 'arguments' over and over no matter what I post. You're always negative. No I'm not. You're not happy with or will never be happy with the Bombers. I am happy with the Bombers.  'What if' this or that happened? So what, this or that didn't happen. You're cherry picking. You mean giving facts that support my opinion. You'd say X if Y happened. Nope, just nope. Your saying X when I didn't say nor mean X.

When you take out the arguing the poster instead of the post, we'd be down to the actual substance. That could usually be handled in 3 or 4 posts.

[blue_or_die]

Fans want the Refs to get the calls right unless getting it wrong goes our way. A simple solution to getting all fumbles called properly is to wait until the ball is secured before blowing the whistle. (Calgary did recover, just not immediately) Folks come up with excuses for not letting a few plays a season go on for a couple of seconds to get it right. No it isn't for safety. No it isn't to keep the game moving. It's a change that could be put in today with a simple memo to the teams.

Giving the ball to the wrong team is huge, just like the turnover that it should be is. Turnovers change games. Giving the ball to the wrong team does too.

The holding call was by the book. The kind of call that could be, but isn't, called on most running plays. It wasn't a refs mistake to call it. I agree with Matty that there wasn't enough there to call it especially in that situation. I didn't like it at the time. I don't like it now. It was another 'ref helps to decide the game' call & I'm a 'let the players decide the game' kinda guy.

I mostly agree with the masses. Folks admit that they'd leave posts alone if wasn't me posting. Classic arguing the poster instead of the post. I've seen the same 'arguments' over and over no matter what I post. You're always negative. No I'm not. You're not happy with or will never be happy with the Bombers. I am happy with the Bombers.  'What if' this or that happened? So what, this or that didn't happen. You're cherry picking. You mean giving facts that support my opinion. You'd say X if Y happened. Nope, just nope. Your saying X when I didn't say nor mean X.

When you take out the arguing the poster instead of the post, we'd be down to the actual substance. That could usually be handled in 3 or 4 posts.

I absolutely am arguing the poster and not the post in this case. Others are arguing your post just fine by the way, but I?m pointing out that you practically never argue for anything the Bombers? way. This isn?t about your post it?s about how you passionately reduce good things the Bombers do and passionately call out the negative things they do. That?s not being this ?objective, voice of reason? caricature on here that you might think you are. Even if you agree and are happy with the good things the Bombers do (and this is the first Im hearing about it), that?s great, but forgive people for thinking that?s not the case when you spend most of your time on here being the contrarian. You?re gonna hear about it every once in a while.

[dd]

One poster is ultra negative, another is ultra ultra positive. Ones Eeyore, the other Susie Sunshine. That?s their schtick

[TBURGESS]

I absolutely am arguing the poster and not the post in this case. Others are arguing your post just fine by the way, but I?m pointing out that you practically never argue for anything the Bombers? way. This isn?t about your post it?s about how you passionately reduce good things the Bombers do and passionately call out the negative things they do. That?s not being this ?objective, voice of reason? caricature on here that you might think you are. Even if you agree and are happy with the good things the Bombers do (and this is the first Im hearing about it), that?s great, but forgive people for thinking that?s not the case when you spend most of your time on here being the contrarian. You?re gonna hear about it every once in a while.

Of course you are arguing the poster not the post. You always do & now you're pretending it's just every once in a while.

How is arguing for the refs getting calls right reducing the good things the Bombers do or calling them out negatively? Answer: It's not.

How is saying the RTP call is the way they've been calling it all season against the Bombers? Answer: It's not.

How is saying don't make chintzy calls in the last 3 minutes against the Bombers? Answer: It's not.

I'd be making the same arguments if it was any other team in the league. For Example: I made the same complaint about chintzy calls in the last 3 minutes in the Riders/Lions thread.

All your doing is repeating the same nonsense, ad-nauseam. I'm a passionate Bomber fan. I've been one since the mid-60's. I don't 'forgive' people for thinking otherwise. Stop 'reading things into' what I type. You're not good at it.

[blue_or_die]

Of course you are arguing the poster not the post. You always do & now you're pretending it's just every once in a while.

How is arguing for the refs getting calls right reducing the good things the Bombers do or calling them out negatively? Answer: It's not.

How is saying the RTP call is the way they've been calling it all season against the Bombers? Answer: It's not.

How is saying don't make chintzy calls in the last 3 minutes against the Bombers? Answer: It's not.

I'd be making the same arguments if it was any other team in the league. For Example: I made the same complaint about chintzy calls in the last 3 minutes in the Riders/Lions thread.

All your doing is repeating the same nonsense, ad-nauseam. I'm a passionate Bomber fan. I've been one since the mid-60's. I don't 'forgive' people for thinking otherwise. Stop 'reading things into' what I type. You're not good at it.

Aww now you?re attacking the poster and not the post 

You?re continuing to miss the point. I?ve made it clear that the problem is not that you say something that?s not factual (although there is for sure merit to that argument as others have pointed out in this particular case but not what I?m getting at). The problem is that you ignore the good and highlight the bad. Consistently. Actually, it?s funny that the single example you give contrary to that is a game that didn?t even involve the Bombers 

Also, no need to pull the ?I?m a passionate Bomber fan and have been forever?, because I never accused you of not being one. Boy, if you weren?t a Bomber fan and spent your time coming on here just to tilt the mood against us, that would be flat out trolling and no way I would ever accuse you of that!

Lastly, there?s no ?reading into? what you type. Your MO is very clear when you consistently highlight the negative over the positive. Especially more so now when you say ?Mike O?Shea only became a good coach when Collaros came around? and say that we won our last game cuz refs.

[Pigskin]

Getting back to the topic, I will add JA27 to my list of good. JA27 has played much at RB all season. Apparently has an ankle injury, but came in did a nice job.

[ModAdmin]

Getting back to the topic, I will add JA27 to my list of good. JA27 has played much at RB all season. Apparently has an ankle injury, but came in did a nice job.

"Getting back to the topic" is a good thing.  The discussion on fan-dom has run its course.  Thank you.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

Getting back to the topic, I will add JA27 to my list of good. JA27 has played much at RB all season. Apparently has an ankle injury, but came in did a nice job.

Yes....Doug Brown mentioned that JA still appeared a tad off his normal form and perhaps he's not 100% when it comes to explosiveness through the hole.   He ran hard though in that last sequence of first downs to run out the clock.   You just had a feeling if Calgary got the ball back they would get it in close enough for Paredes to make the game winning FG for them.   Well that didn't happen and we controlled our own destiny by just making 3 consecutive first downs when the game was on the line....and despite the calls good or bad from the refs....we took complete control of the game with a 2 point lead.   Well done!!

[buckzumhoff]

Collaros arm was in motion throwing the ball. Ref made the right call calling the play dead.. Dickenson and chris jones challenge all tge time. Thats the way they coach. Bc edmonton calgary throw the flag all the time. Ottawa too.. 

[Pigskin]

JA27 looked like his timing got better as the game went on.

[buckzumhoff]

He did better than oliveira. He doesnt try to make too many moves. He runs the ball

[Pigskin]

BO20 has been lights out good the last 4 games. Avg. 6.2   On Thursday he was at 7.5 Avg. before his injury.

[Jesse]

Yeha, I take back anything I said about Brady, he's really been able to turn it on.

Hope he's back this week.

[pjrocksmb]

All our backs are good and on the cusp of greatness

[dd]

Collaros arm was in motion throwing the ball. Ref made the right call calling the play dead.. Dickenson and chris jones challenge all tge time. Thats the way they coach. Bc edmonton calgary throw the flag all the time. Ottawa too.. 

They?re desperate, they?d challenge the time of day!!

[bunker]

Was at the game, and just finished re-watching it on the PVR.  A few random observations:

I thought Rutledge, while not perfect, was the best of our LB's. Clements was a real nonfactor, always seemed to get washed out in pursuit. Bighill was often getting steamrolled by an OL and could not seem to fight off the block to make an impact.

On the pass rush, our DE's almost always seemed to go wide, with usually no swim move to the inside. Made it easier for Calgary's tackles to push them side outside to the point where they end up to deep to pressure the QB. There were also hardly any stunts/twists. Is this by design by Hall? It did not look like Maier was a big threat to run in this game, in terms of worrying about losing contain. Maybe Hall is saving some tactics for the playoff game in November? Our interior D-line was pretty weak against the run, a guy like Stove would have made a difference.

Thought Rose did not have a great game. On the waggle, they actually voted him an all-star DB...I would have thought Nichols deserved that far more. I thought Calgary's receivers were very physical in their blocking also, and often physically dominated our DBs and were responsible for some of their rushing success.

Regarding the hold on Bighill, I agree there was not alot of evidence for a hold, but the fact is there is only really one angle that I could see that was shown on TSN, and you don't see what the O-linemans left hand is doing. If he was pushing Bighill thats fine, but if he grabbed his jersey and pulled him to the ground and the ref saw that, then that's holding.

The RTP on Jefferson was a terrible call. I heard the O'Shea interview on CJOB, and he felt a challenge would not succeed, because anytime there is contact above the shoulders, its RTP. At the time though, he probably did have access to the replay, where you can see Jefferson's hands come down below the shoulders on Maier's nameplate.

I really wish we would get Demski the ball in space on a regular basis, like we did in this game. He is very elusive and difficult to bring down.

The spot on the Demski pass in the 4th quarter that got overturned was really awful. The side judge, #98, should really go back to school. They also blew a spot on Augustine's run earlier, where they called him down, even though his hands touched the turf, but his knees did not. Ultimately, I think all these bad calls even out over the course of a season though.

Finally, I would give the happy honker award to Dobson. On that play where Augustine ran up the middle for the first down to seal the win, he pushed the Calgary player about 15 yards down the field, just physically dominated him, to help create that hole.