Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2022/2023 Season

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Quote from: theaardvark on June 01, 2023, 06:38:49 PM
My point was that if Chevy isn't a GM that would be sought after, why is he acceptable as our GM?

Who is the new GM?  There are probably half a dozen good candidates out there... but I am not versed in that talent pool, sorry.

Just saying that are we accepting Chevy's presence as being "the best we can do" or "the Devil you know" instead of finding the best possible talent.

Not sure how much Chevy had to do with the drafting until now... some great picks have been made, but was that him making the decision, or just announcing the pick.  Same with the trades that have been made... was that scouting that was responsible, or Chevy?

You didn't make a point.

Dubas' contract was up in Toronto and the two parties chose to part ways. What's the purpose of this ridiculous commentary you prefaced with the hiring of Kyle Dubas in Pittsburgh and then compare it to the situation here? They're completely different.

You're the one making some weird, baseless speculation on Cheveldayoff's "acceptability" as GM of this team, but you can't even try to mention one name for who would replace him were he to be fired. Why bother?

And to be clear, we aren't accepting anything; TNSE makes personnel decisions irrespective of how the fanbase feels about any of them.

Cheveldayoff and Heisinger work with their management team and scouts when it comes to drafting (https://www.nhl.com/jets/team/hockeyoperations). So, in all likelihood, they decide together and the GM announces the selection - much in line with the other teams in the NHL. As for trades, I'd say it stands to reason the GM consults with his AGM but he's ultimately the one to contact another team and negotiate.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at with that last line of horse-feathered nonsense. Unless you're trying to feebly suggest someone else is pulling the strings when it comes to drafting and trading players but that seems preposterous and not worth entertaining.

FWIW, the Jets 2.0 have drafted quite proficiently the last 13 years and there seems to be a consensus amongst those in the know around the league.

Quote from: Jesse on June 01, 2023, 07:29:25 PM
What does this even mean, lol?

Scouts make their reports and the GM has the final say...like in every other club.

Precisely.
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theaardvark

Quote from: Jesse on June 01, 2023, 07:29:25 PM
What does this even mean, lol?

Scouts make their reports and the GM has the final say...like in every other club.

GM obviously has the final call, but if our scouts are saying "Draft this guy", while other scouts aren't, and Chevy "drafts this guy", is it the scout or the GM?  That's all I'm saying. If the scouts come up with the names, and all Chevy does is pick the next name on the list, that's not a tough job.. how much credit does Chevy get for the job done?  Did he hire the scouts? 

Yes, a great administrator can put together a great team of underlings to make his job easy.  Is that the case here?  Are our successes because of Chevy, or in spite of him?  And regardless how much time has passed, the stink of the Beach debacle still sticks.

You can't fire the whole team...
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Jesse

Quote from: theaardvark on June 01, 2023, 09:14:40 PM
GM obviously has the final call, but if our scouts are saying "Draft this guy", while other scouts aren't, and Chevy "drafts this guy", is it the scout or the GM?  That's all I'm saying. If the scouts come up with the names, and all Chevy does is pick the next name on the list, that's not a tough job.. how much credit does Chevy get for the job done?  Did he hire the scouts? 

Yes, a great administrator can put together a great team of underlings to make his job easy.  Is that the case here?  Are our successes because of Chevy, or in spite of him?  And regardless how much time has passed, the stink of the Beach debacle still sticks.

You can't fire the whole team...

So you?d be fine if the Bombers fired Kyle Walters?
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theaardvark

Quote from: Jesse on June 01, 2023, 10:35:36 PM
So you?d be fine if the Bombers fired Kyle Walters?

That's comparing Apples and Orangutangs.

I was asking the question, is Chevy solely responsible for the information that led to the decisions made that have brought us good players?  Or was he the beneficiary of great scouting?  Is the scouting team a result of his efforts, or would we get the same results with a different GM with less baggage?

Walters, we know has the nose for talent, he worked his way to the top of this organization...
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Quote from: theaardvark on June 02, 2023, 12:11:42 AM
That's comparing Apples and Orangutangs.

I was asking the question, is Chevy solely responsible for the information that led to the decisions made that have brought us good players?  Or was he the beneficiary of great scouting?  Is the scouting team a result of his efforts, or would we get the same results with a different GM with less baggage?

Walters, we know has the nose for talent, he worked his way to the top of this organization...

You can't answer that question about any GM (including Kyle). It's always a group effort. No single person can evaluate all the players in the draft. I mean, this is obvious stuff aards.

I'm also not a fan of Chevy's history and would have made a lot of different hiring/firing decisions around this team - but I don't even understand what you're trying to do with this scouting narrative. Scouts file reports. Head scouts have a place in the room when they're all debating pros and cons. A consensus will be formed amongst the team. GM breaks ties.
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Jockitch

JESSE nailed it or made it short and simple

You can't answer that question about any GM (including Kyle). It's always a group effort. No single person can evaluate all the players in the draft. I mean, this is obvious stuff aards
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blue_gold_84

Quote from: theaardvark on June 02, 2023, 12:11:42 AM
I was asking the question in extremely bad faith...

FTFY

You're just making things up - again - and then sealioning.
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Jockitch

#787
 Dubois, according to his agent Brisson, will not sign a bridge deal nor any long term extension -- as reported by LeBrun, today.
Others picked up on this, Illegal Curve, OverDrive,  and so we ask        is Chevy going to make a great move

Also quite a bit more chatter on HellB and probability of Scheif moving

Are goalies such as Hart from Flyers or Swayman from Boston of interest
Can we interest Ottawa in Dubois for some of their young talent 
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Jesse

Man, if the Jets would commit to a rebuild, they could collect so many assets.

Instead, we're just going to re-sign as many as our core as possible and collect more mid-NHL talent.
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Pigskin

Send PL80 to Arizona, for either Crouse, McBain, or Keller, and draft choice.
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Jesse

Quote from: Pigskin on June 08, 2023, 06:50:02 PM
Send PL80 to Arizona, for either Crouse, McBain, or Keller, and draft choice.

He?s giving us a list of teams, apparently.
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Jockitch

Giving Chevy a list of teams ?  Sheesh !!! 

Guessing that the return for trading him to a team on his list would likely increase
All based on him agreeing to sign long term elsewhere

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Jesse

Quote from: Jockitch on June 08, 2023, 11:21:43 PM
Giving Chevy a list of teams ?  Sheesh !!! 

Guessing that the return for trading him to a team on his list would likely increase
All based on him agreeing to sign long term elsewhere



Yeah, this is actually good for us, I think. If he?s willing to sign a long term deal somewhere it will increase the return.
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Pigskin

Well, I think everyone knew this was coming. To bad, really like his style of play. However on the down side. This is his second team in a short career, and he hasn't been happy with either one of them.
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dd

The Dubois drama can?t end soon enough. Don?t care where he goes as long as he goes.