Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2022/2023 Season

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blue_gold_84

Quote from: ModAdmin on March 30, 2023, 11:38:13 PM
The issue of players not excited about being in Winnipeg is a side issue that would be remedied if we had a playoff/Stanley Cup contender.

That's an oversimplified way to look at it, IMO.

This organization is draft and develop first - and not necessarily by choice. That's just an unfortunate reality for a small market Canadian team in today's NHL. If the team struggles to attract free agent or make trades to improve the roster, how does it become a contender? The two are interconnected and the latter can't really happen without the former.

The 2018 season and playoff run was the only time this team has ever demonstrated a true and consistent contender status, and that mostly on the back of a top echelon goaltender and a strong leadership core. And in that instance, a player had to waive his contract movement clause to facilitate a trade that made improved the roster. Since then, this team has regressed to the mean, as the leadership has dwindled or disappeared and players have moved on to get their paydays.

The Jets can't really compete with the likes of the Bruins, the Rangers, the Lightning, the Knights - just to name a few. Those are way more attractive markets for a number of reasons, the most prevalent being contract movement clauses.

I think the bigger issue with this team right now is complacency - and that starts at the top with ownership and trickles down to the roster. Two and a bit months ago, this team was still competing for a top spot in the conference. Since then, something happened and it seems like those who should care the most simply do not.
#forthew
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What a wretched timeline.

The Zipp

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 31, 2023, 02:33:45 PM
That's an oversimplified way to look at it, IMO.

This organization is draft and develop first - and not necessarily by choice. That's just an unfortunate reality for a small market Canadian team in today's NHL. If the team struggles to attract free agent or make trades to improve the roster, how does it become a contender? The two are interconnected and the latter can't really happen without the former.

The 2018 season and playoff run was the only time this team has ever demonstrated a true and consistent contender status, and that mostly on the back of a top echelon goaltender and a strong leadership core. And in that instance, a player had to waive his contract movement clause to facilitate a trade that made improved the roster. Since then, this team has regressed to the mean, as the leadership has dwindled or disappeared and players have moved on to get their paydays.

The Jets can't really compete with the likes of the Bruins, the Rangers, the Lightning, the Knights - just to name a few. Those are way more attractive markets for a number of reasons, the most prevalent being contract movement clauses.

I think the bigger issue with this team right now is complacency - and that starts at the top with ownership and trickles down to the roster. Two and a bit months ago, this team was still competing for a top spot in the conference. Since then, something happened and it seems like those who should care the most simply do not.

some truth nuggets in there for sure...This team will follow a cycle of every 6 - 10 years having a team go deeper in the playoffs depending on the draft and develop timeline, some exceptional play from key players and a coaching staff that can motivate players to and beyond their base skill level.  We will never consistently be a legit Stanley cup contender year after year for the reasons above. 

The big question will be - will fans pay top dollar for a team that is just at or below the compete level with the odd burst above in an arena that is squishy and likely in the bottom 1/3 of game day experience (subjective comment by me based on what I have heard).

I haven't paid for a ticket since before covid - my few games a year are freebies and it is a fun evening out but I end up over spending on food and beer cause the tickets were free...if I was doling out top dollar for tickets the "extras" would be way less and the evening less fun.




Jesse

Quote from: The Zipp on March 31, 2023, 03:11:01 PM
some truth nuggets in there for sure...This team will follow a cycle of every 6 - 10 years having a team go deeper in the playoffs depending on the draft and develop timeline, some exceptional play from key players and a coaching staff that can motivate players to and beyond their base skill level.  We will never consistently be a legit Stanley cup contender year after year for the reasons above. 

The big question will be - will fans pay top dollar for a team that is just at or below the compete level with the odd burst above in an arena that is squishy and likely in the bottom 1/3 of game day experience (subjective comment by me based on what I have heard).

I haven't paid for a ticket since before covid - my few games a year are freebies and it is a fun evening out but I end up over spending on food and beer cause the tickets were free...if I was doling out top dollar for tickets the "extras" would be way less and the evening less fun.





I am not paying for this version of the Jets. I disagree entirely with how they've managed the team the past few years.
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Pigskin

#618
AC18 back in Winnipeg tonight. 74 games. 9G 32A for 41 points. He will probably have his best game of the season tonight. lol
Don't go through life looking in the rearview mirror.

Jockitch

No Morrissey tonight with possible illness of sorts
Maenalanen up in Press box and Kulman drew in

KC81 tips one in early in first  ?- Yahoo
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          HUSTLE & MUSCLE

Pigskin

Wow, 6 goals in one game. Jets played a very good first two periods. A little sloppy in the 3rd.
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blue_gold_84

Big win. The best game they've played in ages.
#forthew
лава Україні!
What a wretched timeline.

Jockitch

Finally a game where gnawing the fingers wasn't necessary

Disliked seeing the Wings enjoying a good 3rd period which made the Jets look their normal passive selves 
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          HUSTLE & MUSCLE

Pigskin

#623
NJ is a good team. This should be a tough game. Jump on them early, as they played last night. JM44 should be back tonight.
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Pigskin

#624
 The Jets played a very good game. Scoring seems to be back just in time for a 4 point game against the Flames.

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ModAdmin

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 31, 2023, 02:33:45 PM
That's an oversimplified way to look at it, IMO.

This organization is draft and develop first - and not necessarily by choice. That's just an unfortunate reality for a small market Canadian team in today's NHL. If the team struggles to attract free agent or make trades to improve the roster, how does it become a contender? The two are interconnected and the latter can't really happen without the former.

The 2018 season and playoff run was the only time this team has ever demonstrated a true and consistent contender status, and that mostly on the back of a top echelon goaltender and a strong leadership core. And in that instance, a player had to waive his contract movement clause to facilitate a trade that made improved the roster. Since then, this team has regressed to the mean, as the leadership has dwindled or disappeared and players have moved on to get their paydays.

The Jets can't really compete with the likes of the Bruins, the Rangers, the Lightning, the Knights - just to name a few. Those are way more attractive markets for a number of reasons, the most prevalent being contract movement clauses.

I think the bigger issue with this team right now is complacency - and that starts at the top with ownership and trickles down to the roster. Two and a bit months ago, this team was still competing for a top spot in the conference. Since then, something happened and it seems like those who should care the most simply do not.

I hear what you are saying but the fact remains that players want to play for a team that wins and the Stanley Cup is the goal of most, if not, every player whether it's Winnipeg, New York or Tampa.
"You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one." - John Wooden

The Zipp

Quote from: Pigskin on April 03, 2023, 02:50:08 AM
The Jets played a very good game. Scoring seems to be back just in time for a 4 point game against the Flames.



Huge game on Wednesday - we need the flames to lose the night before...and hopefully this blizzard coming doesn't mess with the game..

Jets played very well last night - took it to NJ right from the start.

Jockitch

Back to back games where gnawing on fingers or squeezing a ball wasn't necessary  ----  YIPPEE ----- Great Victory

Winning combos:
the Jet players are scoring a putt load, HellB is competing hard and the stick work, to break up passes, has been awesome 
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          HUSTLE & MUSCLE

blue_gold_84

#628
Fantastic win last night! Kinda sad I missed it (John Wick 4 was unreal, though).

Huge game here on Wednesday evening now. Jets seem to have found their game again, so I like their chances over these remaining five games.
#forthew
лава Україні!
What a wretched timeline.

Pigskin

#629
Next Five Games:

Jets Play:  Flames, Predators, Sharks, Wild, Ava's.

Flames Play:  Blackhawks, Jets, Canucks, Predators, Sharks.
Don't go through life looking in the rearview mirror.