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« Reply #135 on: August 12, 2022, 05:27:56 AM »

Part of the blame should also go to the coaches, Buck should have seen that Zac was having problems with Montreal in his face all night so he should have brought in a big guy to play TE for more blocking. Especially when you have all your #1 receivers on the field and no one is getting the ball, its time to make some kind of change.
When you just need a single point, kick it through the end zone for one. Is that on the head coach or special team coach?
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« Reply #136 on: August 12, 2022, 05:33:42 AM »

Part of the blame should also go to the coaches, Buck should have seen that Zac was having problems with Montreal in his face all night so he should have brought in a big guy to play TE for more blocking. Especially when you have all your #1 receivers on the field and no one is getting the ball, its time to make some kind of change.
When you just need a single point, kick it through the end zone for one. Is that on the head coach or special team coach?

Draw?

Screen pass?

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« Reply #137 on: August 12, 2022, 05:48:13 AM »

Part of the blame should also go to the coaches, Buck should have seen that Zac was having problems with Montreal in his face all night so he should have brought in a big guy to play TE for more blocking. Especially when you have all your #1 receivers on the field and no one is getting the ball, its time to make some kind of change.
When you just need a single point, kick it through the end zone for one. Is that on the head coach or special team coach?
dont forget the end zones are 25 yards deep and the punter is 15 yards behind the LOS.....Still no guarantee they don't kick it right back out again.    No if you're given a chance to win the game with a 32 yard FG which is about the same distance as a PAT....you take the FG every time.    Should be automatic from the 32.....however Legghio got rattled by the pressure.   I feel bad for him because up until that point he had played extremely well.   Hopefully he can gain control over his emotions and bounce back.    Kickers have to be mentally tough and if not.....well there's always mini golf
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« Reply #138 on: August 12, 2022, 05:57:14 AM »

It was a team loss and it seemed the CFL wins.  Making a team play 10 straight with NO brake and a finger 1/2" past the line.

If I'm MOS, I sit Rutledge38 next game.  Sit. on. the. bench.  I don't care if that means a 2nd stringer or NAT at SAM.  Bench. that. guy.  After one game, dude can play again having learned his lesson.

Other teams are allowed to make that mistake.  Our team is not.  MOS has said that mistake is not acceptable over the years.
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« Reply #139 on: August 12, 2022, 05:57:57 AM »

God I hate Maciocia?s face.

Hahah ahhahahaha hahahahahahahaha ahhahah

What's worse than Maciocia's face?  Maciocia's face after beating the unbeatable team.
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« Reply #140 on: August 12, 2022, 06:05:48 AM »

We didn't own the LOS on either side of the ball. How is it that we couldn't pressure Harris more?

Maybe J&J forgot how much we pay them??  Highest paid DL duo in the league and they really didn't do squat.  Fatboi caused more pressure than J&J.  Give that man a raise.

(Good on my man Landon Rice RT for basically being impenetrable all night. UofM guy, we should have / could have had him, he was just bench warming / PR for years.)
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« Reply #141 on: August 12, 2022, 06:15:03 AM »

If you feel a need to blame this exclusively on Liegghio then I think you just have it out for him. So be it.

When you are at the 25 and you need 1 point with 0:00 and what occurred occurred, then you 100% blame Leggs PLUS the ST coach (Biff's buddy visor guy).  Leggs needs to be told in no uncertain terms that he is just hoofing this ball as hard as his leg can go, as high an arc as he can.  Because then if he misses the 3 we get the 1.  It's a 100% slam dunk.

Sure, you might hit the upright by accident, but even that can be avoided by using your highest arc, and if you have enough heat on the ball, it'll likely roll in rather than out.

Even if shanked he did not put much juice on that ball.  He was trying to finesse it in for 3.  We needed no finesse.  We needed Paul Ryan Mr. 1-Pointer to just hoof it at 300mph and hit it into Shawarma Kahn's kitchen.

Ya, I exclusively blame those 2 guys.  Sorry.

That said, you don't cut Leggs, you keep dev'ing him in regular season and you get a vet kicker in to ease into the playoffs.  We will.  I would bet on it.
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« Reply #142 on: August 12, 2022, 06:17:15 AM »

The Bomber defender has his finger over the goal line up to his first knuckle, technically offside but that is usually not called.

It was over and they always call it.  Especially on the "set" players.  Sometimes a foot will enter from a DB out wide and it will be ignored because it's just before the snap.  But a set player over is getting called.  I'm fine with the call.  Bench Rutledge.  Not acceptable for someone wearing B&G.
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« Reply #143 on: August 12, 2022, 10:57:59 AM »

Legghio did flash a look at the holder after his miss. It looked to me like the holder kind of let his off hand hang behind the ball instead of clearing it out of the way. Not an excuse for Legghio, but it may have distracted him.

I am agreeing. The snap and hold are not the level we had when Medlock was here.  As a young kicker under pressure you don't want to make him wonder why the snap and hold is not automatic, the same, every time.

Also agreeing that we just needed one point, distance mattered more than accuracy. Even a punt I'd have been ok with, provided he nailed it of course.
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« Reply #144 on: August 12, 2022, 11:30:12 AM »

If I'm MOS, I sit Rutledge38 next game.  Sit. on. the. bench.  I don't care if that means a 2nd stringer or NAT at SAM.  Bench. that. guy.  After one game, dude can play again having learned his lesson.

Other teams are allowed to make that mistake.  Our team is not.  MOS has said that mistake is not acceptable over the years.


Ridiculous suggestion. Like, I shouldn?t even being acknowledging it.
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« Reply #145 on: August 12, 2022, 12:06:52 PM »

Probably. Don't forget you have to add 35 yards onto the punt from the down and distance. 20 for the end zone and 15ish for the snap.

You can kick out the sideline without going out the back of the end zone. However Philpot caught it 10 yards deep. So if the ball travelled a straight line another 5 yards deep he may not have gotten out at all. You don't punt the ball 15 yards behind the LOS either.

Interesting O'Shea said he never considered that option.
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« Reply #146 on: August 12, 2022, 12:16:49 PM »

When you are at the 25 and you need 1 point with 0:00 and what occurred occurred, then you 100% blame Leggs PLUS the ST coach (Biff's buddy visor guy).  Leggs needs to be told in no uncertain terms that he is just hoofing this ball as hard as his leg can go, as high an arc as he can.  Because then if he misses the 3 we get the 1.  It's a 100% slam dunk.

Sure, you might hit the upright by accident, but even that can be avoided by using your highest arc, and if you have enough heat on the ball, it'll likely roll in rather than out.

Even if shanked he did not put much juice on that ball.  He was trying to finesse it in for 3.  We needed no finesse.  We needed Paul Ryan Mr. 1-Pointer to just hoof it at 300mph and hit it into Shawarma Kahn's kitchen.

Ya, I exclusively blame those 2 guys.  Sorry.

That said, you don't cut Leggs, you keep dev'ing him in regular season and you get a vet kicker in to ease into the playoffs.  We will.  I would bet on it.


The Collaros fumble and subsequent TD by the Als was a 10+ point potential swing in their favour. Rutledge having his hand 2" over the goal line when we stopped them on 3rd down. Inability to sack Harris and our poor OL protection last night.

Your understanding of a team game and need to put it all on our kicker, is interesting.
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« Reply #147 on: August 12, 2022, 12:17:08 PM »

You can kick out the sideline without going out the back of the end zone. However Philpot caught it 10 yards deep. So if the ball travelled a straight line another 5 yards deep he may not have gotten out at all. You don't punt the ball 15 yards behind the LOS either.

Interesting O'Shea said he never considered that option.
Of course he didn't....from the 32 YL near dead centre you always go for the FG....he had made 15 in a row before the 2 misses.
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« Reply #148 on: August 12, 2022, 12:21:19 PM »

Of course he didn't....from the 32 YL near dead centre you always go for the FG....he had made 15 in a row before the 2 misses.

Same distance as a convert and many kickers have missed those. On a last second play needing only a single is different than kicking a FG earlier in the game. IMO it was a wrong decision and I thought that before they decided to kick a FG.

I'm not sure if the coverage team would have been different if we choose to punt. We would have had a cover player instead of a holder. That in itself was another reason to punt.

You make a fair point but it's not written in stone that you always go for a FG in a last play of game situation where only a point is needed. Winning by 1 is as good as winning by 3.
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« Reply #149 on: August 12, 2022, 01:03:03 PM »

Same distance as a convert and many kickers have missed those. On a last second play needing only a single is different than kicking a FG earlier in the game. IMO it was a wrong decision and I thought that before they decided to kick a FG.

I'm not sure if the coverage team would have been different if we choose to punt. We would have had a cover player instead of a holder. That in itself was another reason to punt.

You make a fair point but it's not written in stone that you always go for a FG in a last play of game situation where only a point is needed. Winning by 1 is as good as winning by 3.
Same kicker for the punt....Legghio is more of a directional kicker than a long distance punter.   They scrimmaged from the 24 YL and he would have punted from somewhere around the 36 YL....no guarantee he wouldn't have shanked the punt and the Als would have sent the house to pressure him.    Up until he shanked the FG, I had no reason to doubt Legghio makes that one.    After he missed I was nervous about him trying to tie it and he clangs it off the post and out.    If MOS had to do it again, he would go for the FG to win on the last play of the game.    The football gods have been kind to the Bombers up until yesterday, and they were due to lose a close one sooner or later.   It's just too bad the Bombers wasted a glorious opportunity to go into the bye 10-0 and in front of a near capacity and raucous crowd!
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