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« on: June 18, 2022, 02:14:56 AM »

I like our receiver's . Do you think any one are legitimate deep threat ones ?
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2022, 02:24:20 AM »

Shoen occasionally

I like em too
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2022, 02:29:05 AM »

I like our receiver's . Do you think any one are legitimate deep threat ones ?

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2022, 02:30:17 AM »

We don't have a jump ball guy like Lawler but there are very few of those. Demski is probably the best deep route guy we got because of his speed.
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2022, 03:03:13 AM »

We don't have a jump ball guy like Lawler but there are very few of those. Demski is probably the best deep route guy we got because of his speed.
Disagree on Demski and deep ball

Love the guy but chance he consistently catches a deep ball is low

Agree no jumper
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2022, 04:04:57 AM »

All our receivers are deep threats.  Will we use them that way?  Maybe once in a while hoping for a bust on breaking tendencies.

Fastest to slowest: Demski, Ellingson, Schoen, Woli, Bailey (my guesses)

We use Demski the most in terms of post-go routes (remember the vs SSK games in '19 and '21?).  Woli has made the deep rail catch (never JFG!) a few times.  But we haven't tried that throw in quite a long time -- maybe not since Lapo?
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2022, 04:54:36 AM »

All our receivers are deep threats.  Will we use them that way?  Maybe once in a while hoping for a bust on breaking tendencies.

Fastest to slowest: Demski, Ellingson, Schoen, Woli, Bailey (my guesses)

We use Demski the most in terms of post-go routes (remember the vs SSK games in '19 and '21?).  Woli has made the deep rail catch (never JFG!) a few times.  But we haven't tried that throw in quite a long time -- maybe not since Lapo?

Schoen has better speed that most think, has run a 4.47 40.
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2022, 10:14:19 AM »

Disagree on Demski and deep ball

Love the guy but chance he consistently catches a deep ball is low

Agree no jumper

Maybe but we have been using Demski in that role more this year. People wondering where he was to start the season. Well, he's not near the line and scrimmage as much as last year (and way less than when Lapo was here), he's deeper downfield clearing out and stretching the defense.
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2022, 11:47:05 AM »

Shoen occasionally

I like em too
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We have possession style WRs only
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2022, 12:54:01 PM »

What are you defining as deep?

We can go deep with any of them and do.  We don't have a Tyreek Hill but nobody really does. 

I really think we may have found the next Brandon Zylstra in Shoen. 
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2022, 01:05:44 PM »

I think our receivers are very good. We haven't seen deep routes develop IMO as ZC hasn't had the time due to poor o-line play. Bring up the level of play on the o-line and our receivers will have the deep ball ability.

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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2022, 01:26:25 PM »

Demski on his post or corner routes is a bonafide deep threat as he finds the end zone often with these routes. But we need to get him more involved in the offense with his jet sweeps and shallow drag routes. Missed yesterday?s game but the first game, he was very quiet, need to get the ball in his hands. Like what we ve seen from Ellingson and Shoen so far
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2022, 02:55:48 PM »

Much ado about nothing.  Just this last game Ellingson, Schoen, and Wolitarsky all had a 30 yard reception.  Bailey had one for 24.  And we know from last year that Demski can get open deep.

Moreover, Ellingson is long, and can make the tough grabs with guys draped on him.  Lawler is a little better at the 50-50, but Ellingson can make those grabs.  He comes as advertised.

My only concern about our receivers is that (a) Bailey isn?t getting as much of the workload as I had expected, and (b) we don?t have a ton of depth on the PR.
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2022, 02:58:24 PM »

I think any can be a deep threat, which means DB's will be kept guessing off the line... who's heading deep, who's crossing, etc...

Buck will figure out more on how to use them as the season continues and he gets more film...
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2022, 03:05:22 PM »

I think any can be a deep threat, which means DB's will be kept guessing off the line... who's heading deep, who's crossing, etc...

Buck will figure out more on how to use them as the season continues and he gets more film...

I am going to disagree with your statement - I do not believe we have any WR that scare DB's. We IMHO do not have that speedly WR that can challenge DB's. I do not believe we have replaced who we lost from last year in terms of a WR that can scare folks.
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2022, 03:09:26 PM »

I am going to disagree with your statement - I do not believe we have any WR that scare DB's. We IMHO do not have that speedly WR that can challenge DB's. I do not believe we have replaced who we lost from last year in terms of a WR that can scare folks.

When a DB has to decide which of one or two moves a WR makes, he is put behind.  No matter how fast a DB is, he is not catching up in most cases, and if not giving up a reception, takes a DPI...

I think all our WR (including Shoen) seem to have a good ability to double move.  We seem to have good route runners.  The more time Collaros has with them, and the more time the Oline give Collaros, the better the whole becomes.  And, if we can get some running game going... well...
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2022, 04:09:12 PM »

Schoen has better speed that most think, has run a 4.47 40.

I agree, Schoen seems to have a very long stride which makes his speed deceptive, still not a burner though.
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2022, 04:58:38 PM »

Much as the preseason buzz was that Shoen was having a great camp, I did not think he was going to be THIS good.  It is pretty amazing what he has Shoen so far. 

Whether it is because other teams have yet to either figure him out or give him respect, I don't care.  All that matters is he is getting open and making catches.

Ellingson has easily filled Lawler's shoes... and Shoen has filled in admirably for Adams. 

Not worried in the least about our WR corps.
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2022, 05:44:09 PM »

I have to compliment Darvin on his conditioning and effort this year, he looks much faster and more vigorous than he has in the last couple of years.  Good on him.
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2022, 07:50:42 PM »

I have to compliment Darvin on his conditioning and effort this year, he looks much faster and more vigorous than he has in the last couple of years.  Good on him.

Yes, and he's been working on his hands.  He's making 80% of the tough/diving catches this year, when last 2 seasons in WPG those tough catches were 50/50 for him.  He seems more mentally focussed in OTT.
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2022, 08:52:06 PM »

Much as the preseason buzz was that Shoen was having a great camp, I did not think he was going to be THIS good.  It is pretty amazing what he has Shoen so far. 

Whether it is because other teams have yet to either figure him out or give him respect, I don't care.  All that matters is he is getting open and making catches.

Ellingson has easily filled Lawler's shoes... and Shoen has filled in admirably for Adams. 

Not worried in the least about our WR corps.

I saw what you did there. Wink
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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2022, 06:50:20 AM »

Darvin was always good for. A quarter of the year, ten usually got nicked up, and then came back after a couple games .  I trust he will be similar.

We should be worried about Grey.  He can not play at this level based on the All-Stars on the Ottawa D-line. Grey had to hold every play, or let the guy well not let the guy, but couldn't even touch him.

I see a change there.
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