CBA negotiations

[Blue In BC]

@FarhanLaljiTSN
Here?s the CBA ratio adjustments: Rolling ratio (Nationalized US can play up to 49% of snaps): 2 in 2023.@CFL has the right to move it to 3 in 2024 if they believe it is working. The 2 teams with the most # of cdn snaps in any given season will be given an extra 2nd round pick

But it is staying at 7 not 8 like negotiating before:

@FarhanLaljiTSN
Yes. So 5 and 2 in 2023, likely followed by 4 and 3 in 2024

Down to mandatory 4 Canadian starters by 2024! I am happy!

So they balked at one nationalized American but accept this version? Sold out for the extra signing bonus?

I'm in favour of less mandatory Canadian starters. Still need to see how this works in practice when not actually adding imports to the roster. There will be a seller's market in free agency to add players that would have been / could have been DI's that have CFL experience. More import vets could be sitting on the PR for additional depth.

In the med to long term this will hinder development of new import talent due to needing to retain older vets.  Roster selections will be decided / earned by tenure and not necessarily best talent or even lowest cost talent available.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

So they balked at one nationalized American but accept this version? Sold out for the extra signing bonus?

I'm in favour of less mandatory Canadian starters. Still need to see how this works in practice when not actually adding imports to the roster. There will be a seller's market in free agency to add players that would have been / could have been DI's that have CFL experience. More import vets could be sitting on the PR for additional depth.

In the med to long term this will hinder development of new import talent due to needing to retain older vets.  Roster selections will be decided / earned by tenure and not necessarily best talent or even lowest cost talent available.

Reading trough Lalji's replies, yes. It seems as though they declined:

7 starters comprised of 6 Canadians, 1 Naturalized Americans (6:1)
8 starters comprised of 6 Canadians, 2 Naturalized Americans  (playing 49% of snaps)

And now may accept:
7 starters comprised 5 Canadians, 2 Naturalized Americans (playing 49% of snaps) in 2023 AND then 7 starters comprised of 4 Canadians, 3 Naturalized Americans (playing 49% of snaps) in 2024.

Two things though, one, this assumes Lalji's reporting is dead on. The second, it appears the latest version may make being a naturalized American a bit harder: after 3 years with one team or after 6 years in CFL.

[Blue In BC]

Reading trough Lalji's replies, yes. It seems as though they declined:

7 starters comprised of 6 Canadians, 1 Naturalized Americans (6:1)
8 starters comprised of 6 Canadians, 2 Naturalized Americans  (playing 49% of snaps)

And now may accept:
7 starters comprised 5 Canadians, 2 Naturalized Americans (playing 49% of snaps) in 2023 AND then 7 starters comprised of 4 Canadians, 3 Naturalized Americans (playing 49% of snaps) in 2024.

Two things though, one, this assumes Lalji's reporting is dead on. The second, it appears the latest version may make being a naturalized American a bit harder: after 3 years with one team or after 6 years in CFL.

It's a sloppy idea with too many " if's " for my liking even though it's going in a direction I'm in favour.

Essentially I believe any import on any teams roster for 3 years is already starting.

Looking at our current roster, projected or otherwise, this would allow Grant to see more offensive reps over Woli or possibly Demski due to injury situations. I can't see one import that will be on defence that isn't starting or a probable DI that fits the bill.

My expectation is a rookie DE and possibly a new rookie DT ( if Walker is beat out ). Neither of these candidates would fit the bill in 2023 as 3rd year players. The other DI's are going to be Grant and Moutada?


EDIT: On 3rdownnation is says ratio stays the same in 2022.

[buckzumhoff]

League doesn't sound like they know what they want. Ever since the new commissioner you would think with all the time off they would know and finish what they want to do not a day before the league starts . There wasn't enough time off.

[GOLDMEMBER]

This waiting to this hour is killing me golden nuggets! Get it done and friggin announce it already! My word!

[TecnoGenius]

Down to mandatory 4 Canadian starters by 2024! I am happy!

This is a really really dumb move by the league.  Like SB&G said, it's a Darth Vader deal... getting worse all the time.

Worse than that, they are purposely complicating the scenarios as they go on in order to confuse players.

The direction they are moving in is more likely to get a "no" vote than it stood yesterday.  I would probably vote no if I was a NAT player.

League doesn't sound like they know what they want. Ever since the new commissioner you would think with all the time off they would know and finish what they want to do not a day before the league starts . There wasn't enough time off.

This.  Worse, during all the highly publicized/leaked "discussions" in 2021, and all of Ambrosie's talks, I don't recall any mention of this 51/49 idea nor shafting so many NATs per team.  This stuff is going off the deep end fast.

Maybe the league wants the players to vote no in order to pull off some other nefarious plan?

[Sir Blue and Gold]

It's a sloppy idea with too many " if's " for my liking even though it's going in a direction I'm in favour.

Essentially I believe any import on any teams roster for 3 years is already starting.

Looking at our current roster, projected or otherwise, this would allow Grant to see more offensive reps over Woli or possibly Demski due to injury situations. I can't see one import that will be on defence that isn't starting or a probable DI that fits the bill.

My expectation is a rookie DE and possibly a new rookie DT ( if Walker is beat out ). Neither of these candidates would fit the bill in 2023 as 3rd year players. The other DI's are going to be Grant and Moutada?


EDIT: On 3rdownnation is says ratio stays the same in 2022.

There are 23 starting spots on offense and defense (not counting QB which is factored separately). There are 20 Americans on each roster. Right now, only 16 can start. Next year 18 can start. In 2024, 19 can start. They will be backed up on game day by Canadians by necessity, but they will be replaced long term by Americans off of the PR. Practically speaking for us this means that in 2023 Jake Thomas will absolutely a back-up and so will Wolitarsky. In 2024, either the a offensive lineman or the running back spot could also flip. It also means when Canadians get injured it won't be near as bad. Think of all the terrible years we had prior to our recent stretch. The rebuild and competitive balance will be better with 4. Teams can also better build depth behind four Canadian starting positions if they want. Right now they have to take Canadians wherever they can find them and one injury to a Canadian usually cascades into several other changes. Now you can run three offensive lineman, one receiver and fill the rest with better depth and special teams players. Americans can do the rest.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

This is a really really dumb move by the league.  Like SB&G said, it's a Darth Vader deal... getting worse all the time.

Worse than that, they are purposely complicating the scenarios as they go on in order to confuse players.

The direction they are moving in is more likely to get a "no" vote than it stood yesterday.  I would probably vote no if I was a NAT player.

This.  Worse, during all the highly publicized/leaked "discussions" in 2021, and all of Ambrosie's talks, I don't recall any mention of this 51/49 idea nor shafting so many NATs per team.  This stuff is going off the deep end fast.

Maybe the league wants the players to vote no in order to pull off some other nefarious plan?

49% practically speaking just means offense OR defense but not special teams. It takes literally no time to explain or understand.

[TecnoGenius]

You guys were talking about simplifying the ratio/etc because the complicated-ness was putting off the younger fans.  Now you're ok with some really really dumb 51/49 rule that zero fans will understand or care about or be able to track?

Who is going to track all of this?  I'm pretty sure the league does not currently track who's on field at all times for every play.  They going to hire an extra stats guy to track this?  Or is it going to be on the honor system?  And will teams hire extra staff to track this?

An award (lame 2nd rounder) for playing the most NAT snaps?  Dumb.  Do losing teams start nothing but NATs at the end of the year in order to win that lame prize?

Again, who's going to track this?  Even if the league does, do they share their data?  Some poor sod has to sit there and watch all film and track every player and run reports.

All these new stats going to be posted somewhere?  Transparency?

It's a ton of bother, for what?  They should have just said 6+1 or 5+2 or whatever.  No snap crap.

[theaardvark]

Dave Naylor
@TSNDaveNaylor
1m
The
@CFLPA
 members have ratified the new CBA. #CFL #CFLPA

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Dave Naylor
@TSNDaveNaylor
1m
The
@CFLPA
 members have ratified the new CBA. #CFL #CFLPA

FANTASTIC! The start of a new and better era!

[Jesse]

Dave Naylor
@TSNDaveNaylor
1m
The
@CFLPA
 members have ratified the new CBA. #CFL #CFLPA

I honestly don't get why they would vote no on the last one but yes on this one.

Must be the pressure of games being missed?

[GOLDMEMBER]

GAME ON!

-Wayne Campbell

[GOLDMEMBER]

I honestly don't get why they would vote no on the last one but yes on this one.

Must be the pressure of games being missed?

who cares. we get a full CFL season 2X defending champions. Lets do this!!!!

[ModAdmin]

Players Ratify Revised CBA...

https://3downnation.com/2022/05/26/cfl-players-vote-to-ratify-new-collective-bargaining-agreement/