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« Reply #405 on: May 26, 2022, 01:07:37 AM »

Owners are ruining the game . Reducing Canadian players.i wonder which owners want this move. I'll bet it's the private owners with the worst attendance while the teams with good attendance can make it work either way

Most teams are privately owned.
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« Reply #406 on: May 26, 2022, 02:22:17 AM »

Yes they do. They foot the bills and are the ones that risk losing money. Players are employees and get paid for services rendered. Simple as that.

Pick any team you like and tell me which PLAYER owns the rights to the name of their team or logos?

This is exactly the point.  The owners pay for everything, in terms of money, risk, everything.

I know players risk a lot more with their physical ability and injury risk.  However, this is fully voluntary to play a game for a paycheck.

Many play this game without any compensation and love it.  Playing professionally is obviously a different level.  Ideally anyone working gets compensated appropriately. 

But one only needs to look at the economics of this league.  This is a league of owners that mostly are not making money from their investment - they are doing this for the love of the game.  Demand enough and eventually it just isn't worth it for some owners to keep losing money on a pet project.
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« Reply #407 on: May 26, 2022, 02:42:21 AM »

Looks like neither side has blinked tonight. Interested to see what tomorrow holds. I think they either hold a vote or get locked out. Lalji on TSN says the league has reiterated it will not entertain anymore more than 6+1. He said it's more than just one roster spot, it's a philosophical issue that aligns with the future direction of the league. I know it's not the kind of excitement anyone wants from the CFL, but get your popcorn ready for tomorrow.
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« Reply #408 on: May 26, 2022, 03:44:29 AM »

Hearing that the cflpa wont even put the new offer to a vote or any offer that reduces the ratio

To the owners; having one less Canadian is in no way going to impact revenues so whats the point?

To the canadian players: refusing to even budge on this, when you are not losing any roster positions, rather than using it  to get a better cba for all players is idiotic too.

I was just getting excited about the season too, now it looks like I may as well just look forward to something else. Call me when you've come to your senses and I'll see if I answer.

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My understanding is the CFLPA executive has not yet presented the league's latest CBA proposal to its player reps. It sounds as though there is a plan to do so this evening.
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« Reply #409 on: May 26, 2022, 11:36:23 AM »

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My understanding is the CFLPA executive has not yet presented the league's latest CBA proposal to its player reps. It sounds as though there is a plan to do so this evening.
oh my word. Why the delay? Players playing hard ball.
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« Reply #410 on: May 26, 2022, 12:03:41 PM »

oh my word. Why the delay? Players playing hard ball.

More like stupidity. 

I said it earlier this week: If the pre season games are not going to happen, they should start trimming the roster. Pre season games help rookies win a roster spot. That means they have lost that additional chance.

The regular season starts June 9 which is only 14 days. Final rosters are usually determined a week before the start of the season.  Bombers have 100 players and IMO should trim down to 75 on Saturday.

Who actually gets to vote on the CBA? Veterans only or rookies as well? There are certainly more imports at the moment than Canadians on every roster.
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« Reply #411 on: May 26, 2022, 12:53:08 PM »

More like stupidity. 

I said it earlier this week: If the pre season games are not going to happen, they should start trimming the roster. Pre season games help rookies win a roster spot. That means they have lost that additional chance.

The regular season starts June 9 which is only 14 days. Final rosters are usually determined a week before the start of the season.  Bombers have 100 players and IMO should trim down to 75 on Saturday.

Who actually gets to vote on the CBA? Veterans only or rookies as well? There are certainly more imports at the moment than Canadians on every roster.

Rookies (those who have not played a regular season game) do not get it vote this time around. They did get to vote last CBA which really worked in favour of the league so the union changed that policy. It is probably not a good idea to cut a large number of players before the CBA is settled. More players nearby may provide more options for the league.
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« Reply #412 on: May 26, 2022, 01:01:02 PM »

Rookies (those who have not played a regular season game) do not get it vote this time around. They did get to vote last CBA which really worked in favour of the league so the union changed that policy. It is probably not a good idea to cut a large number of players before the CBA is settled. More players nearby may provide more options for the league.


I don't know what options the league would have if the CBA isn't settled. Nobody wants to see a bunch of rookies comprising a complete roster and all the veterans sitting out. I don't want other options.

That's even worse than watching a pre season game.

If the vote is no and there is no pre season game tomorrow that would also suggest they aren't practising either. Therefore I see zero downside to my suggested trimming down to 75 from 100.

Either we're gearing up to a regular season without a pre season set of games or we've reached the end of the road.

Coaches already have a good idea of the bottom 1/4 of those in camp. 75 still leaves enough for final roster of 46, plus PR of 12, a few on IR and about 15 over and above that.
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« Reply #413 on: May 26, 2022, 01:23:11 PM »

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Hearing from people around the league that still no movement from the CFLPA to bring the current proposal to a vote, w/ some suggesting they wont. Teams are preparing for potential cancellation of games this weekend. Both sides appear equally committed to stand their ground. #wfp
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« Reply #414 on: May 26, 2022, 01:28:52 PM »


I don't know what options the league would have if the CBA isn't settled. Nobody wants to see a bunch of rookies comprising a complete roster and all the veterans sitting out. I don't want other options.

That's even worse than watching a pre season game.

If the vote is no and there is no pre season game tomorrow that would also suggest they aren't practising either. Therefore I see zero downside to my suggested trimming down to 75 from 100.

Either we're gearing up to a regular season without a pre season set of games or we've reached the end of the road.

Coaches already have a good idea of the bottom 1/4 of those in camp. 75 still leaves enough for final roster of 46, plus PR of 12, a few on IR and about 15 over and above that.

You are right. If there is no vote a lockout and perhaps even prolonged labour dispute comes to pass. However, if the league wanted to be super aggressive (and I don't know all the legal ins and outs here), having a bunch of Americans rookies still in CFL cities may provide more them more options.
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« Reply #415 on: May 26, 2022, 01:35:31 PM »

You are right. If there is no vote a lockout and perhaps even prolonged labour dispute comes to pass. However, if the league wanted to be super aggressive (and I don't know all the legal ins and outs here), having a bunch of Americans rookies still in CFL cities may provide more them more options.

I don't think fans would take kindly to veteran or even rookies playing during a lockout per se.

I was a union member in 3 different unions for the 1st 25 years of my working career. Can't say I was ever pro union but I understand the mechanics.
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« Reply #416 on: May 26, 2022, 01:42:05 PM »

I don't think fans would take kindly to veteran or even rookies playing during a lockout per se.

I was a union member in 3 different unions for the 1st 25 years of my working career. Can't say I was ever pro union but I understand the mechanics.

For context, I've never been been in a union ever. But it wouldn't bother me for one second if a bunch of Canadians and a few veterans sat out but games still were played.
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« Reply #417 on: May 26, 2022, 01:47:17 PM »

For context, I've never been been in a union ever. But it wouldn't bother me for one second if a bunch of Canadians and a few veterans sat out but games still were played.

Suicide for the league. They would lose tons on gate revenue, which they can't afford. The other thing everyone wants to build is continuity, this is the opposite of that. Are you ok your scabs playing Ottawa's scabs, losing and the game counts in the standings? NO thanks.
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« Reply #418 on: May 26, 2022, 01:48:10 PM »

I definitely wouldn't watch if there were relacement players.
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« Reply #419 on: May 26, 2022, 01:55:41 PM »

Why not? Everyone has to start someplace.
Relatively speaking, they would likely be smaller faster more exciting guys.  CIS players have the same skills in most cases as Div 3 players from the states.
Make it four downs on the wide field
 A chance for revolutionary new ideas and if it fails, blame it on the Canadian players.
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