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Waffler
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« Reply #390 on: May 25, 2022, 08:42:45 PM »

would be a strategy to break the union altogether

My take is this. Union busting. Once they have reduced Canadian content enough they only have to deal with the hired gun American player that comes and goes.

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« Reply #391 on: May 25, 2022, 09:00:05 PM »

My take is this. Union busting. Once they have reduced Canadian content enough they only have to deal with the hired gun American player that comes and goes.

Send me a songwriter
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And make sure that he's hungry
Make sure he's alone

- Neil Young (Crime in the City)

It could devolve into that but I don't think it's been the strategy so far. If they were trying to do that they would be trying to increase the US roster spots so they outnumber the Canadians and therefore have a majority in the PA for the next CBA negotiation. I also think they'd be angling for a shorter term than 7 years although you'd have to know the inner workers of any out clauses to say for sure on that point.
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« Reply #392 on: May 25, 2022, 09:13:43 PM »

USFL Canada division coming to your town in 2023. Sad
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« Reply #393 on: May 25, 2022, 09:19:32 PM »

Like Sir Golden Hat stated no good news by tomorrow morning than it could be the beginning of the end for this league.

I hope the bloody players know that?

Go back to day jobs you turkeys.
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« Reply #394 on: May 25, 2022, 09:27:55 PM »

This is insanity. 

CFL thinks a 6+1 ratio makes a better product, which will grow the league and make survival more likely, and revenue sharing a possibility.

CFLPA thinks that making 9 "Canadians" earn their spot over an American rather than being gifted a job is worth killing the league over.  How did the 180+ "Canadians" in the league get so insecure about their abilities to think that it is worth causing this labour shutdown over whether one less of them on each team gets a job over a more qualified, less expensive American option.

This dispute is over preserving the jobs of the nine worst "Canadian" players in the league, which, by definition, would be the nine worst players in the league.  And its not the loss of the job completely, just a move from that job being filled by a "Canadian" to being filled by a better player.

 

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« Reply #395 on: May 25, 2022, 09:52:43 PM »

its not the loss of the job completely, just a move from that job being filled by a "Canadian" to being filled by a better player.

So you go from one equal playing field to another. How does that noticeably improve entertainment enough that younger fans become drawn to the league, as the CFL says it will? To me it seems clear that they are trying to sick it the Canadian that has the nerve to block their desire for cheaper labor. It becomes a question of who does the league belong to? Players or owners.  It's that basic.
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« Reply #396 on: May 25, 2022, 09:55:54 PM »

Hearing that the cflpa wont even put the new offer to a vote or any offer that reduces the ratio

To the owners; having one less Canadian is in no way going to impact revenues so whats the point?

To the canadian players: refusing to even budge on this, when you are not losing any roster positions, rather than using it  to get a better cba for all players is idiotic too.

I was just getting excited about the season too, now it looks like I may as well just look forward to something else. Call me when you've come to your senses and I'll see if I answer


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« Reply #397 on: May 25, 2022, 10:17:41 PM »

So you go from one equal playing field to another. How does that noticeably improve entertainment enough that younger fans become drawn to the league, as the CFL says it will? To me it seems clear that they are trying to sick it the Canadian that has the nerve to block their desire for cheaper labor. It becomes a question of who does the league belong to? Players or owners.  It's that basic.

It is basic and the players don't own the league, the owners do. You can cut any player at any time. Find new owners willing to lose money? Not so easy.
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« Reply #398 on: May 25, 2022, 10:21:33 PM »

It is basic and the players don't own the league, the owners do.

Do they? The league began as an amateur organization for local players and community ownership continues in the west to this day. I think it is an open question about to be resolved.
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« Reply #399 on: May 25, 2022, 10:31:39 PM »

Owners are ruining the game . Reducing Canadian players.i wonder which owners want this move. I'll bet it's the private owners with the worst attendance while the teams with good attendance can make it work either way
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« Reply #400 on: May 25, 2022, 11:37:14 PM »

Owners are ruining the game . Reducing Canadian players.i wonder which owners want this move. I'll bet it's the private owners with the worst attendance while the teams with good attendance can make it work either way

Reducing by one per team... eliminating the worst player on the team.  Tiny ask for all the CFL gave the PA...
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« Reply #401 on: May 25, 2022, 11:50:10 PM »

For the conspiracy nuts  ....Unless the reason the owners want to reduce the ratio is a plan to merge with the xfl and want to lessen the competitive disadvantage of having to play 7 canadians
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« Reply #402 on: May 26, 2022, 12:57:47 AM »

Reducing by one per team... eliminating the worst player on the team.  Tiny ask for all the CFL gave the PA...
I am with Ardy
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« Reply #403 on: May 26, 2022, 01:00:07 AM »

Do they? The league began as an amateur organization for local players and community ownership continues in the west to this day. I think it is an open question about to be resolved.

Yes they do. They foot the bills and are the ones that risk losing money. Players are employees and get paid for services rendered. Simple as that.

Pick any team you like and tell me which PLAYER owns the rights to the name of their team or logos?
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« Reply #404 on: May 26, 2022, 01:03:06 AM »

For the conspiracy nuts  ....Unless the reason the owners want to reduce the ratio is a plan to merge with the xfl and want to lessen the competitive disadvantage of having to play 7 canadians

Personally I don't think the XFL sees the light of day again. Seeing how poorly the USFL is doing from a business point of view ( not enough revenue ) and previous failures of spring leagues, I smell toast.
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