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Sir Blue and Gold
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« Reply #285 on: May 24, 2022, 12:17:46 AM »

We don't know the percentage that voted it down. Stop speculating.  American players would also have had to vote against it.

...even Milt.

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« Reply #286 on: May 24, 2022, 12:29:10 AM »

...even Milt.

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I could have guessed his opinions on this.
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« Reply #287 on: May 24, 2022, 12:31:25 AM »

But how will Drew Wolitarsky, Geoff Gray and Jake Thomas get on the field?! *Shocked face* it wouldn't be a league without them! Vote it down! No tickets will be sold if Gray were to get beat out by a bit better offensive lineman!

I'm a strong proponent of the ratio and I dislike that they watered it down in this cba.

But the league also gave in on a number or other critical issues which were beneficial to all players, so seeing another delay to the season doesn't sit well.
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« Reply #288 on: May 24, 2022, 12:37:05 AM »

I'm a strong proponent of the ratio and I dislike that they watered it down in this cba.

But the league also gave in on a number or other critical issues which were beneficial to all players, so seeing another delay to the season doesn't sit well.

It shouldn't. It was voted down to save fringe Canadians' playing time. That means we might not get to see a full season of Willie Jefferson, Adam Bighill and Zach Collaros so that those 6th and 7th Canadian starters ( Gray and Wolitarsky for us, probably) get guaranteed spots and above average pay compared to their American mates.
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« Reply #289 on: May 24, 2022, 12:39:15 AM »

I could have guessed his opinions on this.

An import who sold more tickets and merch than the bottom three quarters of the national depth chart combined for every year that he played, more than likely.
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« Reply #290 on: May 24, 2022, 01:05:55 AM »

Harsh but I'd lock them out and send them home. Enough is enough. 4 pre season games were scheduled for this Friday and Saturday. No cushion left for more rescheduling without major problems.

There were no pre season games in 2021 so that would be unfortunate if that happens in 2022. May as well trim rosters down to about 65 and get rid of the excess number of players. No practices or pre season games probable so no need to keep 100 players around.

One strike delay was somewhat reasonable. Two not so much.
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« Reply #291 on: May 24, 2022, 01:26:51 AM »

Harsh but I'd lock them out and send them home. Enough is enough. 4 pre season games were scheduled for this Friday and Saturday. No cushion left for more rescheduling without major problems.

There were no pre season games in 2021 so that would be unfortunate if that happens in 2022. May as well trim rosters down to about 65 and get rid of the excess number of players. No practices or pre season games probable so no need to keep 100 players around.

One strike delay was somewhat reasonable. Two not so much.

Send the Canadians home and ask the Americans to keep playing. You can't hire temporary workers in BC and Quebec but everywhere else you can. Contacts aren't guaranteed so there are probably enough Americans in camp to play in all markets.
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« Reply #292 on: May 24, 2022, 01:36:02 AM »

Miss a whole season
Shortened season
Strike impacted season

CFL can only take so much...markets like Toronto and Vancouver aren't going to bounce back. Fans will start to lose patience in strong markets as well.

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« Reply #293 on: May 24, 2022, 02:00:23 AM »

Pretty interesting convos on twitter. League is getting unmasked a bit with this vote. You got Shawn Gallant claiming that Canadians (like him, I suppose) are the reason the league is succesful and then you have Milt Stegall telling him he's wrong. They played together for a few years.

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« Reply #294 on: May 24, 2022, 02:08:49 AM »

So much for player solidarity  Its americans vs canadians -- a terrible look for the cflpa, and its not going to get better the longer it drags on.
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« Reply #295 on: May 24, 2022, 02:37:50 AM »

Very disappointed. Fix this **** asap you bloody scaly wags.
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« Reply #296 on: May 24, 2022, 03:23:15 AM »

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« Reply #297 on: May 24, 2022, 03:29:06 AM »

No one here knows beans.  Only speculation.  Anyone read the actual CBA?  No?  Then sssshhhhh.

Something in there must have sucked big time for it to be voted down.  If Solly & Biggie et al liked it (enough) but the players didn't, then something must be rotten.

The league brought this on itself by purposely setting the CBA expiration at a week before TC.  It backfired, as for once the players grew a spine and said screw it.  The league now has egg on their face and will miss games at a time when everyone knows they can't.  I'll bet the league thinks twice before making this mistake again.

I'm with the players on this one.  Something in there got them angry enough to endanger the CFL and they stood up for themselves.  Good for them.  This isn't about the fans, it's between the league and the players.  To win at negotiations, you have to be willing to walk away.  The league thought the players would never, thus the CFPA always got bullied.  Now they've shown they will walk.  This only makes them stronger.

You know what's going to happen now?  The league will offer the players more of what they wanted on Tuesday, the players will make no more concessions, and they'll get it ratified as fast as possible.  The pain and pressure is on the league now.

For those dissing the Canadians here (like it's all their fault?)... I don't know what to say.

The useful discussion to have right now, is what are the things the league will cave on to get a deal?  I bet the 3-FAKENATs thing is dropped.  Future CBAs to be negotiated far earlier.  And maybe more ELC/cap money immediately in 2022.  It's too bad the CFPA doesn't better publicize their positions so we're not all guessing...

The next question, is how fast they can get it signed and play ball if the league caves to demands tomorrow.  Does this set us back only a week... or more?
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« Reply #298 on: May 24, 2022, 03:53:58 AM »

I am with Techno on this one.  The fact that training camps will still be continuing on Tuesday tells me that this is not "the end of days" that people are making it out to be.  If it was a complete deal breaker then it would not be business as usual. Everyone needs to chill a bit.

As far as the players voting down the tentative deal, anyone with any experience in business will tell you that a rejection may mean that the devil was in the details and there is something that may just need to be tweaked, which is important in a multi-year deal.  To suggest that the player reps need to resign, as some like Farhan Lalji did, belies a complete lack of understanding of how collective bargaining works.  Techno makes a good point in pointing out that the league was playing Russian Roulette with the timing of the negotiations (funny that seems to be missing in a lot of comments blaming the players).  The league fully expected the players to roll over and they didn't - now the discussions continue.
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« Reply #299 on: May 24, 2022, 04:04:56 AM »

Then there is this....

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I?m boiling right now I can?t even sleep.  Over 30% of members didn?t even vote!
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