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« Reply #225 on: May 19, 2022, 01:39:37 AM »

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Hearing Monday May 23rd preseason game (@Wpg_BlueBombers
at @sskroughriders) will be moved. Announcement expected Thursday. #CFL #CFLPA
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« Reply #226 on: May 19, 2022, 02:15:09 AM »

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Hearing Monday May 23rd preseason game (@Wpg_BlueBombers
at @sskroughriders) will be moved. Announcement expected Thursday. #CFL #CFLPA

That will be interesting. Bombers 2nd game is on the 27th against the Elks.  The last few games for everybody are on June 3.

So I could see maybe a 2 shift to the 25th for the 1st game but then the same for the 2nd game two days later. Overall it impacts the Riders and Elks schedule as well.

Hopefully it's still one of the televised games, which could be in doubt.
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« Reply #227 on: May 19, 2022, 03:56:36 AM »

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If you put this @CFL
 CBA beside any recent one, it's not close. Better for the players and better for the @CFL. Measurable gains including new areas (guaranteed contracts) while addressing key league issues - like roster turnover and Canadians returning from the @NFL
 #CFL #CFLPA

Kelly Moore
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A very tired sounding @Bighill44 says 7 year #CFL deal includes term ending 30 days prior to when training camp starts. Increased long term rehab coverage, and real revenue sharing for the players. He also expects Monday's pre season opener to be rescheduled.
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« Reply #228 on: May 19, 2022, 04:01:05 AM »

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Bombers players who we believe can be 'Nationalized' (based on 3 years w/WPG or 5 in CFL):

Alexander
Bighill
Bryant
Collaros
Ellingson
Hardrick
Jeffcoat
Jefferson
Taylor
Wilson

Love the thought of a reward/benefit for guys who come here long-term.
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« Reply #229 on: May 19, 2022, 12:01:29 PM »

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Bombers players who we believe can be 'Nationalized' (based on 3 years w/WPG or 5 in CFL):

Alexander
Bighill
Bryant
Collaros
Ellingson
Hardrick
Jeffcoat
Jefferson
Taylor
Wilson

Love the thought of a reward/benefit for guys who come here long-term.

After the 3rd year or in the 3rd year?

You can only do that for one and that's starts in 2023?  I'd guess we'd do that for Bryant or Hardrick. Since we'd have to replace that player with a National for an in game injury. Bombers have 1 or 2 Canadian OL on the AR for depth and that OL would shift into the OL as a starter.



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« Reply #230 on: May 19, 2022, 12:05:42 PM »

Can someone explain what the heck this 49-51 rule is with CDN's and nationalized CDN's?
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« Reply #231 on: May 19, 2022, 12:21:18 PM »

Can someone explain what the heck this 49-51 rule is with CDN's and nationalized CDN's?

I'm not 100% sure but if you are asking about the paragraph from 3down, which stats:

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Three additional nationalized Americans will be permitted to rotate with national starters provided that they do not play more than 49 percent of the total offensive or defensive snaps in a game. These additional nationalized Americans cannot play on the same side of the ball.

To me, this means that, in 2023, teams will be able to designate 3 Americans (who have been on one team for 3 years or 5 years in the CFL) as rotational nationalized Americans (or some such nomenclature). They would be allowed to sub in and out for actual nationals so long as they don't exceed 49% of the total offensive or defensive snaps. I believe it also means you cannot have two rotated in on either offense or defense at the same time.

Further clarification will help, but that's what I take from it anyway.
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« Reply #232 on: May 19, 2022, 12:35:58 PM »

I'm not 100% sure but if you are asking about the paragraph from 3down, which stats:

To me, this means that, in 2023, teams will be able to designate 3 Americans (who have been on one team for 3 years or 5 years in the CFL) as rotational nationalized Americans (or some such nomenclature). They would be allowed to sub in and out for actual nationals so long as they don't exceed 49% of the total offensive or defensive snaps. I believe it also means you cannot have two rotated in on either offense or defense at the same time.

Further clarification will help, but that's what I take from it anyway.

This is going to take some more thought. I wasn't aware of the 49/51 rule context. Most imports are already starting nearly every play barring injury. So that leaves the DI's or someone that would have been a DI that isn't starting every play? Given the players on the list, there isn't anybody we'd want to restrict to 49% of plays.

Going to have to see this happening and how teams use the new idea.
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« Reply #233 on: May 19, 2022, 01:18:29 PM »

It is confusing, but could say a team play CDN's as "normal" most of the season and come playoffs manipulate the 49/51 rule and play mostly Americans in the do or die games even though the ratio is off for that game/s but it would be allowed as they could manipulate it due to cumulative snap counts?

If so that could be very advantages, and how the heck would the on field or even command center catch that in a game, if a team "cheats" it and win say the Western Final with too many Americans what happens?
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« Reply #234 on: May 19, 2022, 01:21:36 PM »

I pulled this info from 3rddown on google. The movement from 7 to 8 national starters concerns me if that nationalized American can only play 51% of the snaps.

There will also be a change made to the ratio as of 2023 that will see the number of national starters raised from seven to eight. One of these players can be a ?nationalized American,? which is defined as an American player who has been on the same team for three years or in the CFL for five years.
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« Reply #235 on: May 19, 2022, 01:23:59 PM »

Dumb ratio rules.

8 NI starters instead of 7, 1 of which is a Yankee NI. 3 more Yankee NI's who can play up to 49% of the plays. How are they going to figure this out in game? What kind of penalty will there be for playing 50%+? Is the Yankee NI also a DI? If so can they play 49% as an NI and 51% as a DI?

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« Reply #236 on: May 19, 2022, 01:25:14 PM »

So GAME ON! Good blue bombers can you send me my tickets yet?
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« Reply #237 on: May 19, 2022, 01:33:03 PM »

Dumb ratio rules.

8 NI starters instead of 7, 1 of which is a Yankee NI. 3 more Yankee NI's who can play up to 49% of the plays. How are they going to figure this out in game? What kind of penalty will there be for playing 50%+? Is the Yankee NI also a DI? If so can they play 49% as an NI and 51% as a DI?



Agree. Also, a big difference is how that rule is calculated. Do they mean that the 3 rotational Americans cannot exceed 49% of snaps EACH or as a group? My guess is each. Which means that basically there is 1.5 more tenured Americans allowed on the field after an increase of 1 national. The net difference in that scenario is .5 less Canadian content if all teams do math jujitsu on the sidelines to maximize those American snaps.

The league can be its own worst enemy sometimes. They need to make things easier to understand not harder. Will anyone actually be policing those snaps in a game? How do teams even stay onside with that rule? No one knows how many offensive and defensive snaps there is going to be in a game. Offences can go hurry up to effectively not allow substitutions. Obviously it's not something that can be flagged mid-game, so disputes will be resolved after by fines or warnings or what?

Just find a way to reduce the ratio. Perpetually watering it down with all these complex loopholes is the opposite of what I suspect most fans want. Certainly me.
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« Reply #238 on: May 19, 2022, 01:38:28 PM »

Dumb ratio rules.

8 NI starters instead of 7, 1 of which is a Yankee NI. 3 more Yankee NI's who can play up to 49% of the plays. How are they going to figure this out in game? What kind of penalty will there be for playing 50%+? Is the Yankee NI also a DI? If so can they play 49% as an NI and 51% as a DI?



Agree. That's TURRIBLE!
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« Reply #239 on: May 19, 2022, 01:53:36 PM »

They won't be handing out any penalties in game for going over the % because it will be % of the plays overall in the game. It can't be a running total with a penalty every time a Yankee NI is above 50%. Example: Play 1, start your Yankee NI, they are now over 50% of the plays.

My guess is that there won't be any penalty for going over the snap % limit. That will allow teams to start more imports.
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