Started by theaardvark, May 06, 2022, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 17, 2022, 08:43:45 PMIt's $2.1M increase over 7 years per team. Not a $600K increase over 7 years. Even you said it the quoted line below this.1+2+3+4+5+6= 2.1million per team over 7 years $18.9 million in total guaranteed increases to the salary cap league-wide.Obvious comment about the ELC but I doubt anybody would ever get less than an ELC after their 1st contact. I also doubt many wouldn't be getting more after their 1st contract. An ELC doesn't prevent you from paying more. It's the floor not the ceiling.I'm not sure that any player that managed 3 years in the NFL was going to sign at rock bottom prices. Even if that was true, so be it.EDIT: $600K over 7 years would make more sense. That number X 9 teams is $5.4M. So it's not accumulating to a $6.1 SMS in year 7 according to that unless the $18.9 M was a large typo.
Quote from: the paw on May 17, 2022, 09:39:03 PMThe union has a right to see the books if they negotiate a CBA with the provision included. In fact, the old CBA requires clubs to provide financial stmts to he CFLPA (some audited, some not) although that was more for SMS verification than examining revenues.But if owners want to base SMS raises on revenue growth, they have to be willing to have those revenues verified. Otherwise its a meaningless provision. If the owners don't want to provide financial transparency, then they should shorten the deal length and commit to more substantial concrete additions to cap.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 17, 2022, 09:36:18 PMOK, just looked at the CBA, and the entry contract is for NAT players... they are required to sign for 2 + 1 at $65 plus a modest optional bonus based on draft round selection. If, for instance, Laurent Duvernay-Tardif flamed out in the NFL and came north in 2021, he would have to sign a 2+1 year deal at $65k max, plus $12.5k bonuses for the first 2 years (based on being drafted in the 3rd round). Now, with his NFL experience, he would be free to sign whatever deal he wanted, with Calgary, his drafted team.
Quote from: Jesse on May 17, 2022, 11:07:07 PMIt is 600k over 7 years per team.I don't know what the salary cap is? 5.4M? That would mean the cap would increase to 6M by the end of the deal.This is what I mean. If you bring revenue sharing into the negotiation room, you need to share those revenues.
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 18, 2022, 01:13:22 AMNo the increase is about @24M in total according to what Ambroise said.There is $600K in total to be used for public appearances. $600K X 9 = $5.4 M give or take. This was a response to Aardy's saying SMS only increases by $600K which was incorrect.The other $18.9M divided for each team = $2.1M adjustment to the SMS over 7 years per team, or about $300K / year on average.Re-read the Ambroise published on CFL.CAI / we only suggested that's a considerable increase compared to the initial offer over 10 years. Over and above that it's about a 40% increase in total to the current SMS.My comment was that IMO a $600K increase over 7 years would make more sense in the current financial situation.Here is the line from what Ambrosie said.It increases total player compensation by more than $24 million over the term of the agreement ? plus an opportunity to share in revenue increases as we successfully work together to grow the league.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 17, 2022, 07:31:18 PMThe changes to the "return from NFL" clauses means players coming in from the NFL are not subject to ELC's, which could have prevented guys from even bothering with the CFL after the NFL... not sure which players it has affected, but I'm sure it has in the past.
Quote from: Jesse on May 18, 2022, 02:43:06 AMSalary cap: 5.4M2022+02023+100=5.5(+100 from 5.4)2024+100=5.6(+200 from 5.4)2025+100=5.7(+300 from 5.4)2026+100=5.8(+400 from 5.4)2027+100=5.9(+500 from 5.4)2028+100=6.0(+600 from 5.4)100+200+300+400+500+600= 2.1MIt is not 300k per year (that would be an insane increase). They are using real cost. How much it has increased from the original cap, and then the accumulated cost over the length of the deal.
Quote from: Jesse on May 18, 2022, 02:06:28 PMThe 24M is concerning the revenue sharing, I believe.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 18, 2022, 03:27:57 PM$5.5mil this year, will be guaranteed $6.1mil in year 7... with no guarantees the league will increase revenue during that time.Saw Derrick Dennis tweet out about the XFL's pay structure, etc... and comment that it will put a damper on rookie players coming north and that we need to treat our vets well. Not sure there is a shortage of guys wanting to come up on a 2 year deal for min salary for an option to eventually make a lot more (as a CFL vet or NFL), Lawler is the posterboy for that. Yes, USFL and XFL do draw down on the talent pool. And the CBA will cause that to worsen in some cases. like with Dobson and other NAT talent especially. Have to wonder if the NAT part of the CBA with NFL "time served" exemption should be extended to XFL/USFL.... its one thing to lose players to the NFL, but if we're going to lose them to those other leagues, lets at least open the path back afterwards.That said, the pool of players that "just miss" the NFL talent wise is broad and deep. Like Lalji said recently, just because CFL players get paid less than 10% of NFL players doesn't mean they are only 10% as good... many are 95% as good... the difference in talent is not that big.With the league's setup, the coaching, the fans... even if we end up with lesser rookies and a lower overall talent pool than we presently have, the product will remain far superior to USFL and XFL, for sure. Much deeper playbooks, much more intensive coaching, much more continuity with players/coaches will keep our game much more watchable and enjoyable. Watching this weeks USFL games took me about an hour. The play has not improved, the playbooks have not been extended, if anything, they seem to be simplifying to try and improve effectiveness, which does not seem to be happening. Lots of blown coverages, lots of dropped balls, lots of DLine blasting through. And a lot of confused looking QB play. The CFL is going to remain the best football league for players to showcase their talents for the NFL, and to improve their play to try and make that jump. It will be interesting to see how many USFL players get NFL looks, and more importantly, how many get AR spots. CFL stars will have actual game film of players in competent systems making plays. USFL players will get to showcase raw talent in being able to make athletic plays, but showing the ability to make plays as part of a finely tuned system like the NFL, not so much. Scouting USFL talent is akin to watching a very good player dominate a pickup game in a schoolyard.