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« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2022, 03:34:50 PM »

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CFLPA advises players not to travel for training camp, CFL to make new CBA offer Wednesday

https://3downnation.com/2022/05/10/cflpa-advises-players-not-to-travel-for-training-camp-cfl-to-make-new-cba-offer-wednesday/
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« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2022, 03:55:01 PM »

It's so lame we have to go through this every time.  Does no one negotiate in good faith for a combined purpose anymore?
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« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2022, 04:09:28 PM »

... Does no one negotiate in good faith for a combined purpose anymore?
Did anyone ever negotiate like that? Certainly not in my time, I'm 65 & my Dad was on union negotiation teams a bunch when I grew up.
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« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2022, 04:11:40 PM »

Flights to Winnipeg should have been already planned. Telling them to not show up sounds counter productive since the teams said players would be housed and paid.
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« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2022, 04:54:55 PM »

As a player you fly out to Canada with whatever cash you can scrape up. They'll feed and house you, but not send you home. You don't get a paycheck if you're on strike, so you don't have any kind of life. It's great for management because they have the players right where they want them. Ready to sign pretty much anything to get some money and start playing.
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« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2022, 05:34:42 PM »

Flights to Winnipeg should have been already planned. Telling them to not show up sounds counter productive since the teams said players would be housed and paid.

CFLPA sabre rattling... while players will be house and fed (not sure they are being "paid" should they strike), they still are "stuck" here without the teams paying for transport to and from home should the labour disagreement stretch out...
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« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2022, 03:25:15 AM »

May 11, 2022 update on CBA Negotiations.  League and players are still talking and will continue to negotiate tomorrow May 12th.

https://3downnation.com/2022/05/11/cflpa-unsatisfied-with-new-cfl-cba-offer-directs-players-to-report-for-possible-work-stoppage/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2022, 07:10:43 AM »

Clearly it's not a good time for the players to negotiate imho.  The CFL is not in great shape and the players should know it.  Best is to negotiate a short contract and hope in a few years, the league will still be around and do better and then try to get more at that time.
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« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2022, 12:17:56 PM »

The fans don't need this happening either. Come to an agreement that makes sense. Shorter contact with some increase to the SMS based on revenue stream projections.

The ratio question might be the biggest issue and I don't know where the league intends to draw the line.
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« Reply #54 on: May 13, 2022, 04:35:23 AM »

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Hearing that the @CFL and @CFLPA have ended another long day of bargaining in Toronto. They are scheduled to meet again tomorrow. Current CBA expires Saturday at midnight.#CFL #CFLPA
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« Reply #55 on: May 13, 2022, 01:29:05 PM »

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Hearing that the @CFL and @CFLPA have ended another long day of bargaining in Toronto. They are scheduled to meet again tomorrow. Current CBA expires Saturday at midnight.#CFL #CFLPA

The threat of a disruption was over the second the PA told players earlier this week to report and that if required they'd fly them all home. Obviously they aren't going to do that and everyone knows a deal will get done. As usual, neither side can afford to not play so after the usual sabre rattling and media bravado a deal that looks similar to all the other recent deals will be announced in the next few days, I'm sure.

I am interested to see where we land on ratio rules and if a reduction was actually something the league fought for, or if it was just a negotiation ploy to get the players to use some negotiating capital on something that the owners were fine with anyway. We shall see.
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« Reply #56 on: May 13, 2022, 01:32:15 PM »

As an adult working for the province, I am in a Union.  They just finished negotiating a contract for three years ago.  They finally settled this past yr Only this yr is the end of the contract.  So now I guess they have to do it all over again. I think that is BS. Bur at least I get retroactive pay.

The players in he CFL are treated like crap.

Plus if paid in Canadian dollars, its only worth 75%.
Of course the players are following the dream.  The CFL is pretty much a last resort.

The benefit, is they get to play, and it is a professional league.  A place to play for tape on their performance. However, the everyday guy, earns about 50,000.00 for his  year.  Which is only six months.  Sounds good.  But after rent, expenses, etc, it doesnt amount to much.  Plus he then has to go back home to nothing.  

The job in the CFL is short term.

So lets get them a decent wage with medical, and the clubs should get them job opportunities and even fund job training.
Termination benefits should be fair, with at least the same for any employee in Canada

As a young man chasing the NFL dream, the CFL s excellent
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« Reply #57 on: May 13, 2022, 02:46:23 PM »

Anyone have predictions?

Term:  matching TSn deal

Ratio: status quo 2 years, then a reduction of NAT starters to 6, and add 2 DI's for remainder. 

Globals 2 dressed, vet Globals 2+ years can be paid more, but the base is non-sms.

Extended health coverage for up to min of three years for players injured while under contract, and/or 1 year extended heath coverage after retirement for every season a player dresses on an active roster for at least one game.

Expansion of current "vet cutdown" making contracts guaranteed 3 games sooner that the current rules.  Tenure requirements remain the same, with the exception of continuity bonus of one year.  If a player has 4 years in the league, but they are all with one team, for the purposes of "vet cutdown" he is considered to have 5 years service.   

Limited padded practice through the season, 10 days to be used at each team's preference, but dates announced by the end of week one.  Up to 2 practices can be rescheduled at the teams request, with 2 weeks prior notice.

Increase in the limits of the soft cap penalties from $100K increments to $200k increments.

SMS to remain static for 2 years as post COVID revenue streams rationalize, with an adjustment of SMS based on total gate revenue recovery to pre-pandemic levels, going up if gate revenue increases from 2019 levels, but not going down if recovery does not eclipse 2019 gate.  Players share in success, but not penalized if revenues do not recover.

Revenue sharing of merch sales, % sales of player branded merch returned to PA for distribution, 50% split evenly among members, 50% directly to players whose merch is sold.


If they agreed to this deal, I think its a win/win...
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« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2022, 02:54:06 PM »


Globals 2 dressed, vet Globals 2+ years can be paid more, but the base is non-sms.

Extended health coverage for up to min of three years for players injured while under contract, and/or 1 year extended heath coverage after retirement for every season a player dresses on an active roster for at least one game.

I like this.  Might give teams cap room to convince quality globals like Hansen who take regulars reps to stick around for the long term.
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« Reply #59 on: May 13, 2022, 02:57:10 PM »

As an adult working for the province, I am in a Union.  They just finished negotiating a contract for three years ago.  They finally settled this past yr Only this yr is the end of the contract.  So now I guess they have to do it all over again. I think that is BS. Bur at least I get retroactive pay.

The players in he CFL are treated like crap.

Plus if paid in Canadian dollars, its only worth 75%.
Of course the players are following the dream.  The CFL is pretty much a last resort.

The benefit, is they get to play, and it is a professional league.  A place to play for tape on their performance. However, the everyday guy, earns about 50,000.00 for his  year.  Which is only six months.  Sounds good.  But after rent, expenses, etc, it doesnt amount to much.  Plus he then has to go back home to nothing.  

The job in the CFL is short term.

So lets get them a decent wage with medical, and the clubs should get them job opportunities and even fund job training.
Termination benefits should be fair, with at least the same for any employee in Canada

As a young man chasing the NFL dream, the CFL s excellent

Whether a young man is a football player or not, he has to pay rent and expenses wherever he is living. $50K usd for a 22 - 26 year old male is not bad. Let him tell his sob story to a young person working in McDonalds in Alabama for $8 and hour. In the US, the minimum wage often falls below $10 / hour range. Only a few hit the $15 / hour mark. All of those are essentially below the poverty level.

The football player can get another job during the off season to increase his income.

Players in their 1st contact mostly get the CFL minimum but it can increase quite quickly in their next contact. Those that become starters are likely to earn $90K+ by year 3. The outcry to get them " decent " pay and benefits is over the top. I know many young people working 3 jobs for minimum wage. I know someone that worked for the Bay for 20+ years and was never a " full time " employee getting benefits.

Google the USA poverty level. Across the country approx 37M people live below the poverty level.

So cry me a river.



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