Started by theaardvark, May 06, 2022, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: the paw on May 06, 2022, 04:31:17 PMThe loss of the ratio will sacrifice the main competitive advantage that the CFL has, and the gradual diluting of the ratio any further that it already has been, will just make it a lingering death. Its a real short term view, based on some misguided belief that a faster, higher scoring game with gimmicky rules will hold fan interest more than national identity. It's deluded thinking and not based on the evidence of many years.Think, if you will, about what the extinguishing of the ratio would have meant to earlier eras. Ask yourself the following questions:1. Statistically, James Murphy was a better and more productive receiver than Joe Poplawski. I love James Murphy and the fact that he settled in Winnipeg and made a home here. But does anyone truly believe that he enjoys a higher regard with the fans than Joe Pop?2. Without the ratio, I doubt anyone would have invested the time and effort to convert a defensive lineman from Div 2 Dickinson State into an offensive lineman. Chris Walby went on to become one of the best OTs in the history of the CFL, but without the ratio he probably doesn't get to start his storied career.3. Does anyone really think Nic Demski would have been able to stick around to develop after his first 3 years in the league? He is a top notch talent now, but without the ratio, he most likely goes the way of Charles Nelson or a thousand other receivers who were moved on from after a slow start. 4. Rick House put up 8000 yards as a CFL receiver. He was buried on special teams until he developed. No way he has that career without the ratio.5. Estimate the percentage of fan discussion dedicated to ratio management, projecting the 7 starters, the draft, which player may "go home" in free agency etc. Probably at least half of the off-season discussion revolves around that. Heck, with no ratio, is there even a reason to have a Canadian draft? Probably not. 6. Do Kyle Walters and Mike O'Shea become football executives/coaches at the professional level without the ratio? Probably not, as neither of them would likely have had a professional football career without it. Without that entry into the league, both those guys are probably selling insurance or real estate. I could go on, but I'm either preaching to the choir or talking past people who don't accept the premise. But I think it is an absolute disgrace that Wade Miller is leading a negotiating committee that takes this stance. If he has convinced himself that fans want to relinquish the leagues national identity so we can get a couple more NFL cuts who can run a 4.4 40, then he has forgotten where he came from. If this CBA guts the ratio, that finishes me. I kept my season tickets last year, even though I didn't attend a single game, because I wanted to support the team. A game that relegates Canadian content to special team duty has no interest for me. If I want to watch all Americans, I'll watch the best Americans. Giving up the "game day event" isn't a huge sacrifice for me, I go to 9 games in person a year, but I watch about 60. I can convert my ticket spend into a speciality channel that will give me as much NFL content as I can handle. Maybe I'm a relic, but I think if the CFL believes that they can replace a fan like me with some Gen-Z kid who wants to bet the over-under on sacks from his phone, I think they are going to be disappointed.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on May 06, 2022, 05:38:23 PMAnd nobody wants to read a rehashing of this so I won't respond again but my rebuttal would be: 1. James Murphy and Joe Pop are entirely irrelevant to the game today. Even more so to future fans who need to come on board. Who cares who you think should be in higher regard (I don't mean that rudely).2. It may have not worked out for Walby but it would have worked out for someone else. A star is a star and every football team can celebrate talented offensive lineman.3. Demski probably would not have developed now, but someone else would have and they would be a recognizable name/face. If we're playing the 'what if' game 'what if' that player was even better?4. There are plenty of players who develop into stars in all professional sports. The story of a player earning his dues is not unique to the CFL. The NFL makes entire reality shows about them and they have no ratio. But yes, if you have a deep connection with Rick House that could be alarming. New fans don't care or potential new fans don't care one wink who or what is a Rick House.5. If eliminating the ratio made the Canadian draft irrelevant, then oh boy is that not the biggest incitement of talent I have ever seen. In addition, every single popular sports league has a TON of rumors and speculation around free agency. You absolutely do not need a country of origin rule to generate that.6. Speculation at best. You could be right. Maybe Walters isn't a GM which would be a shame because he is good at it. However, other than that he is good at it, what else would be a loss that it wasn't 'him' specifically. Basically zero.
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 06, 2022, 05:54:25 PMA strike in preseason would surprise me. It's a part of how teams decide on final rosters It's not something you want to decide completely just in TC. It also prepares veterans for the regular season.
Quote from: Waffler on May 06, 2022, 09:54:03 PMThat gives them roughly 2 weeks to make a deal. They are that close? I don't see it.
Quote from: Waffler on May 06, 2022, 09:54:03 PMThat gives them roughly 2 weeks to make a deal or lose preseason games. Rookie camp is what? A few days from now.They are that close? I don't see it.
Quote from: Nic16 on May 06, 2022, 09:27:08 PMThe CFL runs on a tight budget and is in the business to make money. And how do they do that?The majority of the young fans don?t follow the game close enough to know how the ratio works and who is Canadian or American. All they want to know is who is good and what name & number do I put on my jersey. So why not keep the ratio rules rather simple?1. Add more exciting players. And unfortunately for the CFL diehards that means more Americans.2. Drop the ratio down to 5 Canadian starters. And if you want to start more go ahead, but with no advantages.3. Americans who remain on the same team for 2 yrs are an adopted Canadian in yr 3 - unless they leave the team.4. Americans in the league for 5 yrs on different teams are an adopted Canadian in yr 6. 5. Split backups 50/50.6. Specialty positions - Kicker, Punter and LS can be whomever you want with zero effect to the ratio.7. Get rid of the territorial pick in the draft.8. Supplemental drafts should only take place if a player didn?t register until after the draft. 9. A rule change should be no single is awarded for a missed FG within 30 yards unless conceded by the team.10. Punts must be conceded or go thru the back of the end zone from more than 40 yds to count as a single point.11. Highest salary 400G12. Entry level 70G13. Guaranteed salary in your 5th yr but with a 2 yr max.14. Minimum 2 yr contracts with an NFL tryout escape clause. Team retains rights.15. Reduce the 6 game IR to 4 game IR. If player is removed early his salary counts against the cap.Bottom line is takes the needed steps to help improve the game, fan to player connection and the overall entertainment value.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 06, 2022, 08:43:23 PMYour post comes across as if you don't care about the CFL's past history, is this correct? What do you think we will be left with when they've wiped the CFL clean of all it's tradition?