Started by theaardvark, May 06, 2022, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 24, 2022, 04:29:06 AMNo one here knows beans. Only speculation. Anyone read the actual CBA? No? Then sssshhhhh.Something in there must have sucked big time for it to be voted down. If Solly & Biggie et al liked it (enough) but the players didn't, then something must be rotten.The league brought this on itself by purposely setting the CBA expiration at a week before TC. It backfired, as for once the players grew a spine and said screw it. The league now has egg on their face and will miss games at a time when everyone knows they can't. I'll bet the league thinks twice before making this mistake again.I'm with the players on this one. Something in there got them angry enough to endanger the CFL and they stood up for themselves. Good for them. This isn't about the fans, it's between the league and the players. To win at negotiations, you have to be willing to walk away. The league thought the players would never, thus the CFPA always got bullied. Now they've shown they will walk. This only makes them stronger.You know what's going to happen now? The league will offer the players more of what they wanted on Tuesday, the players will make no more concessions, and they'll get it ratified as fast as possible. The pain and pressure is on the league now.For those dissing the Canadians here (like it's all their fault?)... I don't know what to say.The useful discussion to have right now, is what are the things the league will cave on to get a deal? I bet the 3-FAKENATs thing is dropped. Future CBAs to be negotiated far earlier. And maybe more ELC/cap money immediately in 2022. It's too bad the CFPA doesn't better publicize their positions so we're not all guessing...The next question, is how fast they can get it signed and play ball if the league caves to demands tomorrow. Does this set us back only a week... or more?
Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on May 24, 2022, 05:18:42 AMI'm with you on this Techno....having been in bargaining sessions for a good dozen years....you have to show management that you're prepared to walk at some point. I know we all want to watch football but players are finally standing up for themselves and I'm with them.
Quote from: ModAdmin on May 24, 2022, 05:55:49 AMNot saying you are wrong, but,- The players' committee worked out a deal that they negotiated and believed was a viable compromise to the players demands,- The league has weathered a cancelled season and a reduced season and a resulting loss of fan interest and are still operating.- The league is on the verge of a "regular" season with a fair level of excitement for a few of the previous "have-not" teams.- It's been reported that 30+ percent of the players did not even vote on the package.And you and others support the players? The players made some gains in this package. In the circumstances they cannot expect everything they ask for. given the above. IMHO.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on May 24, 2022, 06:08:35 AMSo the players who didn't vote, who's fault was that?Just because you reps iron out a deal, doesn't make a fair deal. Players, have the right to vote No, just like your average Joe.Canadian players shouldn't have to stand by and be treated like second class citizens in their own country. We all know that the league is dwindling away at the ratio slowly and will one day replace the Canadian players with cheap American talent, who will then one day also be replaced by younger, cheaper Americans.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on May 24, 2022, 10:42:11 AMSecond class citizens? Are you mad? They get every advantage and then some. The reason Americans are "cheaper" is because the rules artificially inflate the value of Canadians who actually make the product worse. The average fan couldn't tell you who the 5th , 6th and 7th Canadian starters on each team are. Man, Canadians who play hockey have to earn their way. Nothing is given. They play in the NHL because they earned it. CFL players cannot say the same. Second class citizens? More like the most entitled, privileged citizens. Shawn Gallant still thinks he's what makes the league great. 3/4 of the people on this forum (the Canadian diehards) would still have to look up what he played or how he did. It makes no sense to hold up the season or fight to keep the rules the same so more of him can play.
Quote from: Jesse on May 24, 2022, 12:03:29 PMThe gripe is less about the "fringe Canadians" as you call them and more about salary.The naturalized Canadian and snap sharing devalues Canadians and raises the value of vet Americans (As discussed on the forum, not many teams have 3 year vets in non-starting roles). Justin Palardy talked about fighting for Canadian identity and what they're "owed financially".Justin Sorenson brought up National sports leagues from other countries and how the ratio of nationals is usually much higher to help grow grass roots, keep jobs in the country, and keep money in the country local - not exporting it out. These aren't bad points. No, they have little to do with what happens on the field - which upsets people trying to make us into the NFL - but given how much government assistance it takes to keep the league going, we need to consider the national implications.
Quote from: DM83 on May 24, 2022, 08:40:45 AMWow! You have passed me on the negative scale.I don't think adding more Americans is the answer. They should actually go the other way. I mean imagine having players that live here year round, and you can see them in the community......yup love those old days.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on May 24, 2022, 01:27:35 PMYour definition of "players living around here so you can see them in the community" is not a good one for the ratio or American debate, but let's go down that road with one modicum of common sense for a second so you can see how foolish it is:1) Justin Jefferson and Adam Bighill live in Winnipeg year round. They are Americans.2) Michel Couture lives in BC and Drew Wolistarsky lives in California. They are nationals.It is just so stupid.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on May 24, 2022, 01:40:03 PMWillie does not live near full time. He only arrived in winnipeg in April. This is what he told me 2 weeks ago in person.
Quote from: Jesse on May 24, 2022, 01:46:20 PMYou are cherry picking examples. And they aren't even good ones as Jefferson literaly just moved here. We have no idea what his long term plans are.