CBA negotiations

Started by theaardvark, May 06, 2022, 02:56:55 PM

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theaardvark

The differentiating factor between CFL ans XFL is history and competition.

If XFL does become an NFL feeder league, and has big marketing behind it, and is run primarily as content for streaming services, then they will survive long enough to sap away some talent. 

But remember this...  every year, the NCAA has 130 teams in the FBS and 127 in FCS, each with 25 scholorship seniors on those teams.  That's 6500 NCAA players graduating each year. 

Professional players job market

NFL - about 2000 total
CFL - about 700 total
USFL - 500ish
XFL - 500ish

Total paid roster in 4 leagues - less than 4000 players, being replenished by 6500 NCAA players each year plus USports, and others.  Even at a 25% attrition rate, that makes 7 players available for each opening...

Not going to be an issue...
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Sec227

Quote from: theaardvark on May 18, 2022, 04:58:44 PM
The differentiating factor between CFL ans XFL is history and competition.

If XFL does become an NFL feeder league, and has big marketing behind it, and is run primarily as content for streaming services, then they will survive long enough to sap away some talent. 

But remember this...  every year, the NCAA has 130 teams in the FBS and 127 in FCS, each with 25 scholorship seniors on those teams.  That's 6500 NCAA players graduating each year. 

Professional players job market

NFL - about 2000 total
CFL - about 700 total
USFL - 500ish
XFL - 500ish

Total paid roster in 4 leagues - less than 4000 players, being replenished by 6500 NCAA players each year plus USports, and others.  Even at a 25% attrition rate, that makes 7 players available for each opening...

Not going to be an issue...


Interesting very valid point. And lots of them that are passed over from the "big" league. Aren't that bad of players.

Blue In BC

Day 4 of no discussions. Nobody has blinked yet and that's not good. You can't get beyond an impasse without new discussions. Are both sides really doing to die on their respective hills?
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M.O.A.B.

Farjan said there were talks last night and there's a possibility of getting an update today.

Jesse

Quote from: Blue In BC on May 18, 2022, 05:46:14 PM
Day 4 of no discussions. Nobody has blinked yet and that's not good. You can't get beyond an impasse without new discussions. Are both sides really doing to die on their respective hills?

Multiple reporters have said talks are continuing and there has been positive movement.

Some have speculated on a deal, or at least an official update today or tomorrow.
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Sec227

From Kelly Moore CJON

Am hearing there has been "movement" in the CFL labour talks. But nothing in detail. That's a least more promising than "the two sides aren't talking at all."

Blue In BC

Quote from: Jesse on May 18, 2022, 06:07:28 PM
Multiple reporters have said talks are continuing and there has been positive movement.

Some have speculated on a deal, or at least an official update today or tomorrow.

Good to know. We don't need negotiating thru the media but it would have been nice to make the public more aware that they are talking.
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Jesse

Quote from: Blue In BC on May 18, 2022, 06:12:09 PM
Good to know. We don't need negotiating thru the media but it would have been nice to make the public more aware that they are talking.

Let's hope this means they are in serious portion of talks now, and not the fake extreme ask position where we lambast each other on socials.
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Sec227

Teams refunding the preseason game cost $$. Lost concession cost $$. Why not call it 2mil or so at least for a team like the riders.

theaardvark

Quote from: Sec227 on May 18, 2022, 06:23:46 PM
Teams refunding the preseason game cost $$. Lost concession cost $$. Why not call it 2mil or so at least for a team like the riders.

Not sure preseaon games are money makers, while ticket sales and concessions are nice, there are expenses incurred, and I'm not sure the preseason turnout covers costs.

On the other hand, players are missing out on minor preseaon payments... housing and food are being covered, but no payments.

https://cfldb.ca/faq/compensation/

"Per 2014 Article 11 of the CBA, players who qualified as a veteran of one year received $525/week, a veteran of two years $625/week and a veteran of three years or more $725/week for a minimum of three weeks of training camp/pre-season compensation. A pre-season subsistence allowance may also be provided to players.

Players are also compensated with a per diem when travelling, free and discounted tickets, playoff and Grey Cup compensation and pension contributions. Full obligations to players can be found in the Collective Agreement."

Also, noticed in that article, SMS was $5.8mil for 2021, not $5.5 as I had previously stated.
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Jesse

Quote from: theaardvark on May 18, 2022, 07:57:20 PM
Not sure preseaon games are money makers, while ticket sales and concessions are nice, there are expenses incurred, and I'm not sure the preseason turnout covers costs.

On the other hand, players are missing out on minor preseaon payments... housing and food are being covered, but no payments.

https://cfldb.ca/faq/compensation/

"Per 2014 Article 11 of the CBA, players who qualified as a veteran of one year received $525/week, a veteran of two years $625/week and a veteran of three years or more $725/week for a minimum of three weeks of training camp/pre-season compensation. A pre-season subsistence allowance may also be provided to players.

Players are also compensated with a per diem when travelling, free and discounted tickets, playoff and Grey Cup compensation and pension contributions. Full obligations to players can be found in the Collective Agreement."

Also, noticed in that article, SMS was $5.8mil for 2021, not $5.5 as I had previously stated.

It's part of the season ticket package isn't it?

Missed games would have to be refunded.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: theaardvark on May 18, 2022, 07:57:20 PM
Not sure preseaon games are money makers, while ticket sales and concessions are nice, there are expenses incurred, and I'm not sure the preseason turnout covers costs.

Good question.  However, if they consistently lost money, why would they ever open PS games to the public at all?  No law says they can't just play to an empty stadium and TV crews.  If so, what is the rationale for having fans there?  I guess it starts to build hype and buzz and might result in a higher week 1 attendance?  Not sure.
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pdirks67

Lalji is saying that the sides are talking and they are getting close.

Farhan Lalji  @FarhanLaljiTSN 1h
Here?s where things stand: The two sides are still in discussions. All negotiations being done remotely. Getting closer to a deal. If they get there, a vote would still need to take place, which could come tonight

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The Bombers are preparing to return to IG Field tomorrow. Coaches across the league are being told to prepare for Thursday. All signs suggest an agreement has been reached. But players haven't seen it and nothing has been voted on. #wfp
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I'm hearing there's been a lot of positive movement between the CFL and CFLPA towards a new CBA and I'm told teams are getting ready for practice Thurs., with one league official saying it's "likely." Nothing confirmed but that's as positive a report as I've heard in days. #wfp

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Reports say the league and the CFLPA have reached an agreement and it will go the players for ratification.

Reported to be a 7 year deal.
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