Started by theaardvark, May 06, 2022, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on May 15, 2022, 09:23:05 PMLol -- Aardvark. "Every team could field a competive roster of players willing to play for $50,000"That's crazy even for you.For starters, teams could not find one quality starting national each let alone seven that isn't already under contract. Playing with a field of brand new QBs who are willing to come to Canada for $50,000 and learn the game in two weeks? You'd be watching a game worse than American high school. Speaking of which, that's about what you could expect from replacement imports too. It's fine if you want to be on team owners but you cannot possibly believe what you're saying or you are just so incredibly incorrect in your assessment it borders on delusion.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 15, 2022, 10:07:31 PMOf course I'm not talking a ratio based, CFL roster rules team... I'm talking purely scabs / replacement players. Put out a cattle call promising $50 for the season, with $10k up front, and you will have have a line out the door... yes, it will be horrible football, akin to USFL, and might end up with a cigarette smoking englishman kicking field goals and a convict running back, but hey... it'll be football.My point wasn't that the CFL *should* do it, but rather that they *could* do it. The CFLPA is no where near as strong in their bargaining position, and bargaining to put the league deeper into the red is stupid.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 15, 2022, 05:56:31 PMAdding back a few (or even many) padded practices just takes us back to the way we were a few short years ago. Why this would be a big problem is beyond me.1. Play quality and scoring went down precisely when they reduced/dropped padded practice. Not proof of causation, but it's easy to put 2 & 2 together. It would seem the league agrees as they did a complete 180 on this now that they are emphasizing scoring.2. 2021 had the worst rash of achilles and other injuries the CFL has ever seen in TC. Zero padded practices. I doubt the return of padded practice will affect injury rate compared to 2021. In other words, if you want better health coverage, it should be its own demand, not tied to pads or not.CFL needs pads back.
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on May 16, 2022, 02:33:00 AMAll this is fine and dandy.....but riddle me this, isn't half the league (+/-) losing money and facing drops in attendance numbers?
Quote from: theaardvark on May 15, 2022, 08:43:16 PMImproved health care/disability needs to be part of any CBA, regardless padded practices. Why the CFL balks at this, I have no idea. Its one thing I will hold their feet to the fire on.Revenue sharing, sure, if you're willing to take a pay cut when revenue isn't there. But no, sounds like they want extra if one team makes money, even if the rest lose. and they want the "billionaires" that own some of the teams to reach into their deep pockets. I have no respect for that part of the negotiations.The league has offered a seat on the board of the new partnership with that marketing group. So they can see what is going on and be involved in the decisions. Totally unexpected and benefits the CFLPA.SMS and min salary increases, even if the league loses money. How can the PA not love this? We know the privately owned by bilionaires teams are not cash cows, by any stretch. Were it not for a billionaire's kindness (thank you Mr. Braley), we'd have 7 teams right now, and who knows where MTL would be if not for another angel investor. The league is broke, and getting broker. The concessions the CFLPA has gotten in this contract offer seem optomistic at best, and they are crazy to let it pass. If healthcare and such are the concern, the CFL should introduce a comprehensive healthcare package, like I had outlined previously, and take the SMS increases and min salary increases back. Again, $$$ should not be an issue. I would love to pay players more, but they are getting at least "what they are worth", and probably more, as a component in the product that is the CFL. The fact that the league is turning away hundreds of players each TC says the wages are fair, and that there are plenty of players willing to come play for that. So, if they players are gonna die on the "get what we deserve" thinking the league is flush with cash, I have zero respect for that.Will the product be inferior if the pay structure decreases / remains the same? I don't think it will appreciably change. Can the league bring in scabs and bust the union? I m certain that would be an easy task. Anyone remember "The Replacements"? Except in this case, many of the replacements may actually be better players... its the last thing I'd like to see happen, but the union has to understand it does not have the bargaining power the NHL. MLB, NFL, MLS PA's do. These leagues employ the best of the best. The CFL is the best of the rest, and there are tonnes of players out there in that category. No business wants to union bust... no team wants to field replacement players. Just saying, the players have to realize that is a real possibility in this instance. I bet every team could field a competitive roster of players willing to take $50k for the season, most teams will have a list they can comb right now and assemble that.
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 16, 2022, 01:17:00 PM What exactly do you think needs improving in health care? It never hurts to improve health care but I don't see exactly what your sticking point is at the moment. The league has a number of season ending injuries for players that end up on 6 game IR at full pay. Those include achilles, broken legs or torn up knees. Some of those could be career ending and create some movement or pain issues for life.Long term damage from concussions is difficult to assess or point directly to cognitive issues.It's not unusual for a rookie to get cut in TC after a hamstring or generally minor injury that prevents him from continuing. Short term sports injury. The team has medical staff to deal with any of those issues.Give me an example of any player any team that didn't get treated well medically to better explain your point of view.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 16, 2022, 01:48:57 PMJohnathon Hefneyhttps://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/cfl/winnipeg-bluebombers/former-bombers-teammates-lament-severe-injury-that-led-jonathan-hefney-down-road-to-prison-sentence-for-cocaine-traffickingWe see players cut every TC due to injury, how are they cared for? Once the season starts, and you get injured, there is the IR, but not in TC.My concern is that heath care in the US is horrible, worse if you don't have insurance. If we wanted to truly show we cared about the players, we would proposed extending their heath care after their careers, by a set amount (say 5 years), with a rehab rider that may even extend further, or at least for a number of years based on seasons played.They want health coverage due to potential injury from padded practices. Big sticking point apparently. This fills that, and more. We have no idea
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 16, 2022, 02:12:37 PMHorrible situation but you also mention the horrible US health care system which is true. Fortunately this isn't something that happens often. As mentioned the CFL has extended the coverage to 4 years in the current deal. Hefney was more the exception than the rule regarding long term injury. Leading to a life of drug trafficking I can't respond to.I don't know the CFL can be held to account for the lack of US health care. Like any type of insurance doesn't some of the responsibility fall to the player to insure himself?How much does this kind of insurance cost? It was already mentioned how many extensive injuries happened in TC without padded practices. The veterans were protected as far as I can tell. The injuries to rookies being released might be worth a further discussion. This is not something that has not just come up in the 100 year existence of the CFL.