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« Reply #825 on: April 23, 2022, 12:47:58 PM »

As much as I support the wearing of masks in public and vaccinations, I can't see the government putting restriction back in place to protect the vulnerable. The government has made it very clear that we have to learn how to live with Covid. It's been 2 years and most people are feed up with Covid and want to get out and enjoy there freedom again. I believe if you feel uncomfortable in public spaces as we do, wear your mask, wash your hands, and keep up on your vaccinations.

Restrictions do not just reduce vulnerable people's risk, they also reduce everyone's risk.  We are entering a stage where COVID's main effect is not death, but rather illness and debilitation.  People who get COVID may not die, but they do get sick, lose time from work, and many suffer long term effects that change their lives.

My biggest concerns lie in the health care systems.  COVID being over would be amazing, surgeries and cancer treatments could get back to normal, ICU beds would be available,  and life for people with nonCOVID health conditions/emergencies could expect the treatment we had pre-COVID.

At risk people are still dying, and healthy people are ending up in hospital and ICU, and with the limited dta we are getting, they are needing hospital care at increasing rates. 

Seatbelt laws went into effect because too many people were getting injured or dying.  So, now every time I get in a car, I have to put on an uncomfortable restraint, and if I do not, I can get a large fine.  We all quibbled about it (those of us old enough to remember), but it is accepted by all now.  This is just one instance of regulation put in place to protect us from ourselves.  Sticking with cars, you need a valid license, and a car that is subject to safety inspections, must obey traffic signs/signals, even if they are inconvenient.  But we accept they are for the safety of everyone, and obey.  And still, cars are a leading cause of preventable death, and disability. 

Health inspections of food plants through to restaurants.  Building inspections for electrical and structural safety.  Occupancy limits on facilities.  MMR vaccine requirements to attend public schools. Our society is full of rules that are designed to protect us from us, and from each other. 

There is no reason why masks or mandatory vaccines should not become part of that structure.  One guy puts a bomb in his shoe, and we all take off our shoes in airports.  One group of terrorists use boxcutters to hijack and weaponize planes, and I can't take a keychain penknife with a 1" blade on a plane, let alone nail clippers.  Again, all accepted limitations.

But masks and vaccines got weaponized by certain political factions, and suddenly "our freedoms are in peril".  Doesn't matter that our healthcare systems are pushed beyond where they should collapse and only through the heroic efforts of our HCW's who are burning out now.  Doesn't matter that patients are sent to other provinces, or worse, Cancer patients have treatments delayed catastrophically because beds are full. 

We all know this, and many people agree that we should be cautious, and feel that just a little caution might go a long way to fixing the issue.  But that vocal minority whips up rhetoric to make that group in the middle sympathetic to their politically motivated cause.  And the pandemic effects continue, not just un-abated, but now enhanced to where a much less virulent strain is actually causing an increase in hospitalizations.  Places like New Zealand had almost no cases, dozens a day until they reopened to the world at the start of this year, and now, 10,000 cases a day.  Thankfully, due to vaccines and therapeutics, 627 total deaths, one third of our provinces total with 5 times our population.  We did a great job off the hop here, closing borders and mitigating, like NZ did, but we opened up too much and too soon, with deadly results.

I know regulations are going to be hard politically to bring back (unless we see a new variant), but I wish there could be some "Anti persecution" laws put in place to defend people and businesses that choose to offer safe services.  We need to let reasonable people be free to protect themselves and their community without fear of attack.  Make vaccine/mask protesters face hate crime charges, which is exactly what they are.  Attacking people based on their beliefs.  Go have your convoys, boycott business, have COVID parties to reach herd immunity.  But leave people who disagree alone to live their lives and do business peacefully. 

That's all..
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« Reply #826 on: April 23, 2022, 02:16:03 PM »


Again, it depends on the circles you travel in.  There are many people "at risk", who are on immunosuppressants, cancer treatments or in recovery, have asthma or diabetes or have other health concerns that are scared to get COVID, even if the new variants aren't as dangerous.  People are still dying, and it is still scary to some of us.   

You?re right that there are factions of folks still very concerned for numerous reasons, but what I?m saying is that I think this number is way, way smaller than you do.

Regarding your long post?.are you suggesting that we live with restrictions and mandates forever? If so, that is absolutely off the table with the vast majority of people. Measures were a good thing and needed during the worst of covid but that was all only practical for a temporary period of time. This isn?t driven by the convoyers, it?s regular people who have reached restriction exhaustion. It was only a matter of time.
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« Reply #827 on: April 23, 2022, 04:48:00 PM »

You?re right that there are factions of folks still very concerned for numerous reasons, but what I?m saying is that I think this number is way, way smaller than you do.

Regarding your long post?.are you suggesting that we live with restrictions and mandates forever? If so, that is absolutely off the table with the vast majority of people. Measures were a good thing and needed during the worst of covid but that was all only practical for a temporary period of time. This isn?t driven by the convoyers, it?s regular people who have reached restriction exhaustion. It was only a matter of time.

I total agree. Now with that said my wife's office still required staff and quests to wear a mask at all times. So far no has complained.
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« Reply #828 on: April 23, 2022, 07:05:54 PM »

You?re right that there are factions of folks still very concerned for numerous reasons, but what I?m saying is that I think this number is way, way smaller than you do.

Regarding your long post?.are you suggesting that we live with restrictions and mandates forever? If so, that is absolutely off the table with the vast majority of people. Measures were a good thing and needed during the worst of covid but that was all only practical for a temporary period of time. This isn?t driven by the convoyers, it?s regular people who have reached restriction exhaustion. It was only a matter of time.

I'm not saying that we need the 100% mitigation of the initial COVID response, but there is a place for some mitigation without discrimination or hate.  And there should be similar vaccine requirements as there were for MMR for places like schools as well as for LTC facilities (clients and workers).  The fake news about vaccines being dangerous needs to be dispelled, and we have to de=politicize their use, just like MMR / autism was dispelled and *most* people have accepted them as safe (there are those crazies you will never convince with actual science). 

We learned a lot about how not to act during a aerosol borne viral pandemic, we need to not abandon it, because its not going to be another 100 years until the next one.  Avian flu is spreading right now, who knows if it will make the jump to humans... or any of thousands of other viruses.  Or even a terror attack with a weaponized viral strain.

Just saying, we need to remove the rhetoric, the "freedum convoy" antimask/antivax/antiscience people who will attack anyone who chooses to be safe, and provide safety for their clients.  We wouldn't stand for an Asian or Jewish business being attacked for their origin or beliefs, the perps would be tracked down and charged with hate crimes.  Yet stores that displayed "masks required" signs *while there was a mask mandate in place* had rocks thrown through their doors.  We were legitimately concerned for our safety in actually obeying these mandates, because of the hate out there.  That has to stop.
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« Reply #829 on: April 23, 2022, 08:48:14 PM »

I'm not saying that we need the 100% mitigation of the initial COVID response, but there is a place for some mitigation without discrimination or hate.  And there should be similar vaccine requirements as there were for MMR for places like schools as well as for LTC facilities (clients and workers).  The fake news about vaccines being dangerous needs to be dispelled, and we have to de=politicize their use, just like MMR / autism was dispelled and *most* people have accepted them as safe (there are those crazies you will never convince with actual science). 

We learned a lot about how not to act during a aerosol borne viral pandemic, we need to not abandon it, because its not going to be another 100 years until the next one.  Avian flu is spreading right now, who knows if it will make the jump to humans... or any of thousands of other viruses.  Or even a terror attack with a weaponized viral strain.

Just saying, we need to remove the rhetoric, the "freedum convoy" antimask/antivax/antiscience people who will attack anyone who chooses to be safe, and provide safety for their clients.  We wouldn't stand for an Asian or Jewish business being attacked for their origin or beliefs, the perps would be tracked down and charged with hate crimes.  Yet stores that displayed "masks required" signs *while there was a mask mandate in place* had rocks thrown through their doors.  We were legitimately concerned for our safety in actually obeying these mandates, because of the hate out there.  That has to stop.

I think it's time you ran for office. Do like Obby and throw your hat in the ring.
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« Reply #830 on: April 24, 2022, 04:18:40 PM »

I think it's time you ran for office. Do like Obby and throw your hat in the ring.

Love to, but far too many skeletons in the closet...  have to be squeaky clean to survive the microscope of running for office. 

And far too many idiots I'd have to deal with.  I do not suffer fools well.
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« Reply #831 on: April 25, 2022, 07:00:34 PM »

I'm not saying that we need the 100% mitigation of the initial COVID response, but there is a place for some mitigation without discrimination or hate.  And there should be similar vaccine requirements as there were for MMR for places like schools as well as for LTC facilities (clients and workers).  The fake news about vaccines being dangerous needs to be dispelled, and we have to de=politicize their use, just like MMR / autism was dispelled and *most* people have accepted them as safe (there are those crazies you will never convince with actual science). 

We learned a lot about how not to act during a aerosol borne viral pandemic, we need to not abandon it, because its not going to be another 100 years until the next one.  Avian flu is spreading right now, who knows if it will make the jump to humans... or any of thousands of other viruses.  Or even a terror attack with a weaponized viral strain.

Just saying, we need to remove the rhetoric, the "freedum convoy" antimask/antivax/antiscience people who will attack anyone who chooses to be safe, and provide safety for their clients.  We wouldn't stand for an Asian or Jewish business being attacked for their origin or beliefs, the perps would be tracked down and charged with hate crimes.  Yet stores that displayed "masks required" signs *while there was a mask mandate in place* had rocks thrown through their doors.  We were legitimately concerned for our safety in actually obeying these mandates, because of the hate out there.  That has to stop.

It sounds like you're having a bad experience with people acting confrontationally and/or violently about you choosing to have mask/vax policies. That's very unfortunate and agree that private businesses 100% have the right to implement whatever measures they like and if you don't like it you can suck rocks.

On the other hand, if you're a venue and you are hosting a heavy metal band with no masks and distancing....well, that's just fun (should you wish to partake).
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« Reply #832 on: April 25, 2022, 07:59:03 PM »

It sounds like you're having a bad experience with people acting confrontationally and/or violently about you choosing to have mask/vax policies. That's very unfortunate and agree that private businesses 100% have the right to implement whatever measures they like and if you don't like it you can suck rocks.

On the other hand, if you're a venue and you are hosting a heavy metal band with no masks and distancing....well, that's just fun (should you wish to partake).

My customers are generally wonderful, and respect our encouraging them to mask when in store. We have a few that refuse, and I get that.  But we have had, on occasion, someone who comes in and asks about our mask policy and leaves immediately.  Definitely not a customer, and luckily so far, nothing has come of it.  But I do know a number of fellow local businesses that have had issues, which scares me.  Hopefully with the mandates gone, the wind is out of the crazies sails. 
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« Reply #833 on: April 25, 2022, 10:31:10 PM »

My customers are generally wonderful, and respect our encouraging them to mask when in store. We have a few that refuse, and I get that.  But we have had, on occasion, someone who comes in and asks about our mask policy and leaves immediately.  Definitely not a customer, and luckily so far, nothing has come of it.  But I do know a number of fellow local businesses that have had issues, which scares me.  Hopefully with the mandates gone, the wind is out of the crazies sails. 

And yet my wife hasn't had one problem with staff, or guest visiting her business with her mask policy. A sign is on the door, and when they make an appointment their told that masks are mandatory.
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« Reply #834 on: April 28, 2022, 02:36:59 AM »

One of my buddies was telling me tonight at the game that he has an oral surgery planned for Wednesday of next week. He said they require you to be at least double vaccinated and show prove of that 5 days before the surgery. You also have to take a Covid test when you arrive at the clinic. Mask must is mandatory until the enter the operating room.
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« Reply #835 on: April 29, 2022, 06:40:30 PM »

A number of surgeries cancelled again this week due to people testing positive for Covid. Unfortunately these people go to the end of the line if there surgery is not life threating. Sad to think these are the same people that are ******** and whining about the surgery wait times.
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« Reply #836 on: May 01, 2022, 11:24:47 AM »

Valour FC home game postponed, as three Valour FC players and two coach's have tested positive for covid.
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« Reply #837 on: May 03, 2022, 06:12:52 PM »

Was watching Colbert last night, and he recounted his reason for being off the air last week was COVID.  He and his wife both had it... and he said even though he was double vaxxed and boosted, it was rough.  And then mentioned that it was rest and Paxlovid all week (still hearing options for anti-virals in Manitoba is spotty unless you have severe onset symptoms or are on immune suppressors)

His first guest recounted his episode with COVID, and then Colbert asked his band if any of them had had it, and they all raised their hands...

Every day, another friend or social media contact tests positive.  Its not going away, yet it seems like most people are acting like it has. 
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« Reply #838 on: May 03, 2022, 06:51:44 PM »

Was watching Colbert last night, and he recounted his reason for being off the air last week was COVID.  He and his wife both had it... and he said even though he was double vaxxed and boosted, it was rough.  And then mentioned that it was rest and Paxlovid all week (still hearing options for anti-virals in Manitoba is spotty unless you have severe onset symptoms or are on immune suppressors)

His first guest recounted his episode with COVID, and then Colbert asked his band if any of them had had it, and they all raised their hands...

Every day, another friend or social media contact tests positive.  Its not going away, yet it seems like most people are acting like it has. 

No people are just learning to live with it.

Pan am clinic today. When you arrive you have to check in. While in the building you have to wear a mask which they supply you with. If you bring your own mask, they ask you to remove it and put on one of there masks.
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« Reply #839 on: May 03, 2022, 07:06:59 PM »

No people are just learning to live with it.

Pan am clinic today. When you arrive you have to check in. While in the building you have to wear a mask which they supply you with. If you bring your own mask, they ask you to remove it and put on one of there masks.

Potato Potahto... I'd be much happier "living with it" if better, more complete information was continuing to be presented, and vaccinations continued, and therapies were widely available without having to jump through hoops, and nursing homes were not having outbreaks... Glad Pan Am is mitigating, I get the "use our masks" (many idiots out there think a gaiter is a "mask") but really think they should allow people to double mask, using their own plus the provided one. 

We are still recording deaths, our hospitals are still full, we still have wait lists for critical care and ER wait times are off the charts, with first responder staff harder and harder to find, so the remaining ones are getting burned out.  We are going to be in a world of hurt before we know it... and if we get one variant popping up that increases hospitalizations, BOOM.

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