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« Reply #600 on: December 20, 2021, 06:16:59 PM »

809 new cases in Manitoba over the weekend. Saturday 276, Sunday 333, Monday 200, with 6 deaths. 3 of those in the Southern health region.

137 in hospital, with 86 active cases.  27 in ICU, 21active cases.

17 of the 21 active cases are not vaccinated. 2 are partially, and two are fully vaccinated.
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« Reply #601 on: December 20, 2021, 07:58:11 PM »

I keep hearing "I can go to a football game with 30k people, and I can't have 11 people over for dinner?"

Remember the analogy of masks and pants?  Wearing a mask is like wearing pants... if you pee on someone and you are wearing pants, they don't get wet, even if they aren't wearing pants.  If no one is wearing pants, everyone gets wet.  If you are wearing pants and they aren't, you can still get wet, but no where near as much gets on you...

Gatherings... its not that there is virus in the air, it is how much virus, and how long you are exposed to it.

Outside, even though you have 30k packed into IG Field, there is airflow, and the virus can't build up. 

Inside, like in a store, there may be 400 people in the Walmart, but you are only briefly exposed to any of them, and again, total volume of air reduces the chances of extended contact.  And you are just there for a short period of time.

In a home environment, the more bodies, the longer exposure time and the smaller size of the space means that the likelihood of "getting wet" is so much higher than at IGF or Walmart.  Imagine these environments with everyone smoking cigars.  A house becomes too smokey to see through in minutes, Walmart would take hours if at all, and IGF would never be an issue. 

We are all probably going to get Omicron, it is that transmissable.  Spreading out those infections and the potential bad outcomes becomes key.  And the fewer people that have it, symptomatic or more likely asymptomatically, the less spread will happen each day. 

The biggest issue is the un-vaccinated.  Not as being a risk to vaccinated people, but the converse.  We boosted double vaxxed people can carry / spread COVID without knowing it.  In a room of 12 people, if a few are spreading it, the chances that someone unvaccinated will contract the virus is greatly increased.  Make it 24 people, and you probably more than double the chances. 

The un-vaccinated are making us modify our behaviour to protect them, and in doing so, reducing hospitalizations, ICU volumes and deaths.  It is unfortunate that the un-vaxxed do not realize or appreciate the fact that we are protecting them. 

I understand COVID fatigue, I understand the "We've done our part, if THEY don't want to get the shot, why should I have to pay the price of mitigation?" concept.  But we live in a society, and we have to protect the whole.  In addition to the anti vaxxers and anti maskers, there are legitimate people who cannot be vaxxed, and cannot wear masks (a tiny percentage of those that claim, but still, they are there) as well as people who even with mitigation, are subject to bad outcomes should they contract it. 

It's important to remember, it's not for the "I've done my own research" people that we are making these efforts for, but rather the at risk people who would love to be 100% protected by using vaccines and masks, but that even in doing so, are at risk.  It is for them that we are making these sacrifices, and for the front line workers that have to deal with our sick.  And for the people who need the resources that are presently being tied up by COVID, the sooner we get this "under control", the sooner everyone is less at risk.
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« Reply #602 on: December 21, 2021, 07:46:12 PM »

302 new cases today in Manitoba. 133 hospital which is 4 less then yesterday. There is also 26 in ICU today which is one fewer the yesterday.

Last Monday Winnipeg's TPR was 3.7%, yesterday it was at 8.1%.

The good news no deaths.
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« Reply #603 on: December 21, 2021, 11:04:51 PM »

I keep hearing "I can go to a football game with 30k people, and I can't have 11 people over for dinner?"

Remember the analogy of masks and pants?  Wearing a mask is like wearing pants... if you pee on someone and you are wearing pants, they don't get wet, even if they aren't wearing pants.  If no one is wearing pants, everyone gets wet.  If you are wearing pants and they aren't, you can still get wet, but no where near as much gets on you...

Gatherings... its not that there is virus in the air, it is how much virus, and how long you are exposed to it.

Outside, even though you have 30k packed into IG Field, there is airflow, and the virus can't build up. 

Inside, like in a store, there may be 400 people in the Walmart, but you are only briefly exposed to any of them, and again, total volume of air reduces the chances of extended contact.  And you are just there for a short period of time.

In a home environment, the more bodies, the longer exposure time and the smaller size of the space means that the likelihood of "getting wet" is so much higher than at IGF or Walmart.  Imagine these environments with everyone smoking cigars.  A house becomes too smokey to see through in minutes, Walmart would take hours if at all, and IGF would never be an issue. 

We are all probably going to get Omicron, it is that transmissable.  Spreading out those infections and the potential bad outcomes becomes key.  And the fewer people that have it, symptomatic or more likely asymptomatically, the less spread will happen each day. 

The biggest issue is the un-vaccinated.  Not as being a risk to vaccinated people, but the converse.  We boosted double vaxxed people can carry / spread COVID without knowing it.  In a room of 12 people, if a few are spreading it, the chances that someone unvaccinated will contract the virus is greatly increased.  Make it 24 people, and you probably more than double the chances. 

The un-vaccinated are making us modify our behaviour to protect them, and in doing so, reducing hospitalizations, ICU volumes and deaths.  It is unfortunate that the un-vaxxed do not realize or appreciate the fact that we are protecting them. 

I understand COVID fatigue, I understand the "We've done our part, if THEY don't want to get the shot, why should I have to pay the price of mitigation?" concept.  But we live in a society, and we have to protect the whole.  In addition to the anti vaxxers and anti maskers, there are legitimate people who cannot be vaxxed, and cannot wear masks (a tiny percentage of those that claim, but still, they are there) as well as people who even with mitigation, are subject to bad outcomes should they contract it. 

It's important to remember, it's not for the "I've done my own research" people that we are making these efforts for, but rather the at risk people who would love to be 100% protected by using vaccines and masks, but that even in doing so, are at risk.  It is for them that we are making these sacrifices, and for the front line workers that have to deal with our sick.  And for the people who need the resources that are presently being tied up by COVID, the sooner we get this "under control", the sooner everyone is less at risk.
Disagree that we will all get Omicron but it will spread like wild fire.  It won't touch those that stay at home and don't see anyone.
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« Reply #604 on: December 22, 2021, 04:35:08 PM »

Quebec with over 5000 cases yesterday.
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« Reply #605 on: December 22, 2021, 04:54:34 PM »

Disagree that we will all get Omicron but it will spread like wild fire.  It won't touch those that stay at home and don't see anyone.

Its pretty hard to isolate outside of living in a bubble.  Omicron luckily does not seem to have strong or lasting effect, so it might actually be a blessing, not a curse.  If it can outmuscle Delta, the way delta pushed classic out, we may see cases and infections off the charts, but hospitalizations/icu/deaths drop.

I think we are about to see cases rise to 1000 per day in the very near future, higher is southern district starts testing at the same rate Winnipeg does...
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« Reply #606 on: December 22, 2021, 06:07:44 PM »

400 new cases today in Manitoba, with 2 more deaths. 17 lab confirmed cases of Omicron now in Manitoba.
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« Reply #607 on: December 22, 2021, 09:08:41 PM »

400 new cases today in Manitoba, with 2 more deaths. 17 lab confirmed cases of Omicron now in Manitoba.

Wondering how many of the cases are tested for strain... we kn ow Omicron is here, and spreads like crazy, so no doubt it either is already or soon will be the dominant variant.  The key will be, in my opinion, watching what the non Omicron variants do.  They seem to cause the hospitalizations/ICU/deaths...  if the non-Omicron infections stay in the old range, we should be OK... it seems like you can have huge Omicron infection rate, yet the hospital numbers are dropping...

Now that the FDA has approved the pFizer antiviral pills, maybe CFIA will as well, and that, along with Monoclonal Antibodies (which ARE available in Manitoba, for immune suppressed and at risk people in early stages of being symptomatic), should be able to reduce the load on the hosiptals...
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« Reply #608 on: December 22, 2021, 09:14:58 PM »

Now more than 2300 cases of Omicron in Canada.
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« Reply #609 on: December 22, 2021, 11:10:56 PM »

We will hit 1000 cases a day
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« Reply #610 on: December 23, 2021, 04:35:42 AM »

Just watched a CNN program on the number of fake N95 masks. Some of these masks failed terribly. Most of these fake masks were found on the sites like Amazon. Most are also called KN95. Stick to the name brands like 3M.
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« Reply #611 on: December 23, 2021, 06:11:41 PM »

Undisclosed number of bombers battling Covid.
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« Reply #612 on: December 23, 2021, 06:48:06 PM »

556 new case to in Manitoba, with 1 death. 355 of those cases are in Winnipeg. I can see a shut down coming ASAP.

Headed to the lake for a least a couple of weeks of isolation.
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« Reply #613 on: December 23, 2021, 09:39:08 PM »

Quebec with 9,397 new cases today. 473 in hospital, 91 in ICU. Crazy.

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« Reply #614 on: December 24, 2021, 03:47:18 PM »

Nearly 750 cases here today. Yikes.
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