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« Reply #645 on: January 07, 2022, 06:19:37 PM »

31 more in hospital today?

So we had 228 in hospital on Monday, now we have 297, with 34 in the ICU.

84.5% with 1st. shot, 78 % with 2nd shot, 28.3 with the hat trick.

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« Reply #646 on: January 07, 2022, 06:22:27 PM »

Manitoba recording 3265 new cases today, with 6 more deaths.
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« Reply #647 on: January 07, 2022, 07:34:57 PM »

Hospitalizations are trending upwards along with case numbers. 31 more today, so "thank goodness" ain't it.

They are trending upwards, but still not at an alarming rate... yet... 1 more ICU bed... still thank goodness.  And fingers crossed,
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« Reply #648 on: January 10, 2022, 06:21:50 PM »

It appears it was a big weekend with 19 more deaths.

378 now in hospital, and 39 in the ICU.

My wife was working at the RBC on the weekend and said it was steady. Seems to be running at about 60% of capacity. At one point they were running 30 minutes ahead of schedule. Also sounds like they had a lot of cancellations.
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« Reply #649 on: January 11, 2022, 04:02:52 PM »

Have to wonder about the deaths... I know, most are with co-morbidities, and that is how we are defining COVID deaths and I agree with that, these are people that were fragile but stable, and COVID killed them. 

Some are willing to dismiss these deaths as not "due to COVID" and only want "COVID deaths" to be people who were otherwise healthy and succumb to the virus. 

I regard it more like a car accident victim who had late stage cancer.  Sure, cancer would have killed them eventually, but the accident was the cause of death.  And possibly, someone who wasn't as fragile might have survived the car accident.  We still don't consider cancer as teh case of death, 100% it was the car accident.

COVID and underlying conditions, to me, is the same thing.  Sure, if the patient was healthier, they would have survived the virus, but they did not.  The virus killed them.  Had they avoided the virus, they'd be alive today.  So, regardless co-morbidities, this is a death caused directly by COVID and should be attributed as such.

Vaccines are proven to reduce severity of illness, and while they may reduce spread/infection as well, the most important factor TODAY is the lessening of the severity of the illness.  I don't care about cases, breakthroughs and asymptomatic infection in vaxxed people, those do not significantly add to the deaths.  Anti-vaxxers keep harping on "Vaxxed still get it, why bother vaxing?" not understanding that the chances of bad outcomes drop by a factor of 20 if you are vaxxed.  You are 20 times more likely to die if you get it unvaxxed.  Its like playing Russian Roulette, but being forced to do it 20 times instead of just once.  Maybe my stats are off a bit, but you get my drift. 

We know the case numbers are worthless now, positive testing % means nothing when you aren't testing everyone who wants a test and are only testing people who have a positive RAT, or are symptomatic and have co-morbidities.  Plus, no one is contact tracing RAT positives, or even tracking them.  Its all on the honour system. 

ICU stats are, IMHO, the key indicator of how the community is reacting, and I think a stat we are missing is how many COVID deaths are happening without medical intervention.  How many of the 19 died at home, or in the Emergency or hospital bed without ever getting to the ICU.   We know, even though the vast majority of the population is double vaxxed, and more than 30% of Manitobans are now boosted as well, the majority of deaths are in the unvaxxed population.  We know they dominate the COVID case hospital stats as well, and ICU beds.  These are mostly avoidable stats, had they just gotten the jabs.

Breaking down these death stats a little finer might bring more light to the reality of vaxxed vs. unvaxxed.  I think, for some people, they are avoiding the perceived issues that come with vaccines that the anti-vax crowd is spreading through their mis-information campaigns, and embracing horse dewormer, and now urine drinking, while claiming the vaccine makes you magnetic, has a tracking chip in it, or makes you sterile or affects your period.  I think, in the back of their minds, they are relying on the medical system to save them should the virus actually happen to them.  They trot out stats on how it is 98% survivable, not thinking that 2 out of 100 is not really great odds.  Guys like Tucker Carlson are embracing treatments like monoclonal antibodies, hugely expensive and hard to come by and involving far more "I don't know what's in there" than any vaccine. 

I know, we have to honour and respect the individual's wishes when it comes to their choices, but in this case, I really think we're past that.  Polio, smallpox, measles, all victims of people trusting medicine to save them from horrible diseases.  We now have far better science than they did back then, and could have wiped this out early.  But somehow, unfortunately, it got politicized.  "Alternate facts" would have been laughed at 10 years ago, but a truly scary number of people quote that concept now as if it makes sense.

We need to work through this, not sure how you convince someone that has consumed this much koolaid that its OK to get vaxxed.  It shouldn't take a loved one dying to get someone to consider getting a jab, but lets hope that those lives lost at least help make it real to those communities and influence them to get the jab.

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« Reply #650 on: January 11, 2022, 07:25:36 PM »

40 more in hospital in Manitoba today. 418 in Hospital, 42 in ICU.
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« Reply #651 on: January 12, 2022, 03:24:04 AM »

Quebec is going to fine people if there not vaccinated.
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« Reply #652 on: January 12, 2022, 03:37:30 PM »

Quebec is going to fine people if there not vaccinated.

I believe the term is tax them, due to increased health care costs of treating the unvaxxinated.  Similar to MPI charging you extra if you are an idiot driver who is more likely to get into accidents.  Why should us good drivers pay the same as ones who are dangerous and drive costs up.

Bravo to Quebec.

I really think it will be tossed out though, hard to implement, really.  On the other hand, inducing vaccination by increasing the basic personal exemption for fully vaxxed citizens so they pay less taxes makes a heck of a lot of sense.  Something we should do anyway, but make it so that vaxxed people have a basic exemption of $30k, so their first $30k earnings stay in their pockets incentivizes vaccine and addresses issues with min wages...  a win/win.
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« Reply #653 on: January 12, 2022, 07:33:13 PM »

There are now 454 people in hospital, with 46 in the ICU. We also have 3 more deaths.

50.6 of the children between the age of 5-11 have received there first dose.

84.7% have 1 shot, 78% have 2 doses, 31.9% have a hat trick.

The number of people in hospital has doubled in the past 10 days.
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« Reply #654 on: January 12, 2022, 09:20:16 PM »

There are now 454 people in hospital, with 46 in the ICU. We also have 3 more deaths.

50.6 of the children between the age of 5-11 have received there first dose.

84.7% have 1 shot, 78% have 2 doses, 31.9% have a hat trick.

The number of people in hospital has doubled in the past 10 days.


Remarkably, I think those numbers are re-assuring.  With the rampant infection rate, you'd expect those numbers to be much, much worse by now...  ICU peaks a few days later... so those numbers require monitoring....

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« Reply #655 on: January 13, 2022, 06:37:27 PM »

There now 499 in hospital, 47 in ICU, and we had 9 more deaths.
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« Reply #656 on: January 14, 2022, 07:15:40 PM »

There now 517 in hospital, 45 in the ICU, and there was 5 more deaths.
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« Reply #657 on: January 17, 2022, 05:45:39 PM »

There are now 601 people in hospital and 47 in the ICU. 20 more deaths over the weekend.
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« Reply #658 on: January 17, 2022, 06:57:47 PM »

Have to wonder how much monoclonal antibodies are getting used, and when the pFizer antivirals that were just approved will start coming online to be used... these therapies should drastically reduce ICU and substantially reduce hospitalizations, if used early enough...
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« Reply #659 on: January 18, 2022, 06:13:30 PM »

There are now 620 in Hospital, 48 in ICU, and we had 3 more deaths.
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