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« on: January 22, 2021, 06:21:09 AM »

Alaric Jackson tops winter Scouting Bureau Rankings

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TORONTO - The CFL Scouting Bureau has published the second edition of the Top-20 prospects eligible for the 2021 CFL Draft. The league also announced that eligible NCAA players will not have their draft year deferred.

The CFL Scouting Bureau, comprised of CFL scouts, as well as player personnel directors and general managers from the league?s nine clubs, releases its rankings three times each year: in the fall, winter and spring.

WINTER SCOUTING BUREAU RANKINGS

Rank    Name    Position    School    Hometown
1.       (1)    Alaric Jackson    OL    Iowa    Windsor, ON
2.       (4)    Josh Palmer    WR    Tennessee    Brampton, ON
3.       (-)    Chuba Hubbard    RB    Oklahoma State    Sherwood Park, AB
4.       (2)    Amen Ogbongbemiga    LB    Oklahoma State    Calgary, AB
5.       (-)    Jevon Holland    DB    Oregon    Coquitlam, BC
6.       (3)    Terrell Jana    WR    Virginia    Vancouver, BC
7.       (5)    Liam Dobson    OL    Maine*    Ottawa, ON
8.       (6)    Sage Doxtater    OL    New Mexico State    Welland, ON
9.       (7)    Daniel Joseph    DL    North Carolina State    Toronto, ON
10.    (11)    Pierre-Olivier Lestage    OL    Montreal    Saint-Eustache, QC
11.    (-)    Benjamin St-Juste    DB    Minnesota    Montreal, QC
12.    (10)    Alonzo Addae    DB    West Virginia    Pickering, ON
13.      8    Patrice Rene    DB    North Carolina**    Ottawa, ON
14.    (9)    Deshawn Stevens    LB    Maine    Toronto, ON
15.    (-)    Mohamed Diallo    DL    Central Michigan    Toronto, ON
16.    (12)    Logan Bandy    OL    Calgary    Calgary, AB
17.    (13)    Deane Leonard    DB    Ole Miss    Calgary, AB
18.    (15)    Luiji Vilain    DL    Michigan    Ottawa, ON
19.    (14)    Nelson Lokombo    DB    Saskatchewan    Abbotsford, BC
20.    (-)    Bryce Bell    OL    Laurier    Waterloo, ON

Please note: The number in parentheses is the player's ranking from the last CFL Scouting Bureau, published in October.

*Dobson has transferred to Texas State
** Rene has transferred to Rutgers

2021 CFL DRAFT UPDATE

The league also announced that NCAA players who are draft eligible in the 2021 CFL Draft, and decide to use their extra year of eligibility, will not have their draft year deferred.  In August, the NCAA Division 1 Board of Directors also decided to grant another year of eligibility to any Fall sport athletes denied an opportunity to compete this year because of COVID-19.

However, U SPORTS athletes had the opportunity to defer their draft year to 2022, if they decided to. In total, 132 prospects chose to move back their draft year to 2022.

TOP-5 PROSPECTS

ALARIC JACKSON | OL | IOWA

Windsor native Alaric Jackson started all eight games at left tackle this season for the Hawkeyes, which led to a berth into the Music City Bowl against Missouri (the bowl game was cancelled due to COVID-19). This season, Jackson was part of an offensive line unit that ranked second in the Big Ten in fewest sacks allowed, first downs, fourth down conversions and scoring offence and third in red zone offence. Jackson was also named to the second-team All-America by the American Football Coaches Association. He finished his career with 42 career starts at left tackle. In 2020, Iowa finished 16th in the final Associated Press Poll. The six-foot -six, 315-pound tackle will also participate in the Reese?s Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama at the end of January.

JOSH PALMER | WR | TENNESSEE


During the 2020 season, Palmer led the Tennessee Volunteers in receptions (33), receiving yards (475) and receiving touchdowns (4) becoming only the sixth Vol from Canada to earn a letter all-time. The Brampton, Ont. native finished his collegiate career with 99 receptions, 1,514 yards and seven touchdown receptions across 47 games. Like Jackson, he will also participate in the Reese?s Senior Bowl.

CHUBA HUBBARD | RB | OKLAHOMA STATE

Despite missing several games due to an injury, Hubbard led the Cowboys in rushing with 625 yards, averaging 4.7 yards per carry and scoring six touchdowns (5 rushing, 1 receiving). The six-foot, 208-pound back was named to the 2020 All-Big 12 Football Second Team. In his sophomore season, the Sherwood Park, AB native rushed for 2,094 yards and a whopping 21 majors. This led to him being named Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year and finished eighth in Heisman Trophy voting. In his three seasons with the Cowboys, he rushed for 3,459, scored 36 touchdowns and averaged 5.9 yards per carry. In 2020, Oklahoma State finished 20th in the final Associated Press Poll.

AMEN OGBONGBEMIGA | LB | OKLAHOMA STATE

Ogbongbemiga had a terrific final season in Stillwater, OK. He finished second on the team with 80 tackles (50 solo, 30 assisted) while adding five tackles for a loss, 2.5 sacks and three forced fumbles. For consecutive seasons, the Calgary, AB native was named to All-Big 12 Football Second Team. He finishes his collegiate career with 208 tackles (131 solo, 77 assisted) 25 tackles for a loss, nine sacks, three fumble recoveries and an interception.

JEVON HOLLAND | DB | OREGON

Holland opted out for the 2020 college football season as well as his playing eligibility to enter the NFL draft. In his first two seasons at Oregon, the Coquitlam, B.C. native notched nine interceptions in his first two seasons at Eugene. As a freshman and sophomore, he led the Ducks in interceptions, marking the first time an Oregon player has done that since Jarius Byrd. In two seasons he racked up 108 tackles (71 solo, 37 assisted) 10 passes defended and 4.5 tackles for a loss. Holland also took part in punt returns where he accumulated 17 punt returns with a 15.3 yards per return average.

BY THE NUMBERS

    The rankings include: six defensive backs and offensive linemen, three defensive linemen, two linebackers and wide receivers and a running back.
    18 schools are represented on the list and two schools that feature two players:

        Oklahoma State (No. 3 Chuba Hubbard and No. 4 Amen Ogbongbemiga)
        Maine (No. 7 Liam Dobson and No. 14 Deshawn Stevens)

    16 prospects come from NCAA; 4 from U SPORTS

    Last year, 18 of 20 prospects identified in the winter rankings were selected in the 2020 CFL Draft
    Of the nine first round selections in the 2020 CFL Draft, five appeared in the winter rankings.

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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2021, 03:50:24 PM »

Any early indication which might be looking towards NFL opportunities. Or even which might be perceived as having NFL talent.

The draft order will change over time. I'd expect we will pick based on best talent available rather than target by position. We have pretty good depth across the board and will end up with about 12 draft choices to be considered at TC.

The current rankings are heavy DB's and OL players.
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2021, 04:29:35 PM »

Amen Ogbongbemiga 6'1" 235. Best D player in the draft. Says he wants his shot at the NFL. Which mite be good for Winnipeg this year $$$. Give him his shot in the NFL and bring him back in a year or two. 

D Joseph: 6'3" 265. Best DL in the Draft. Carbon copy to JK2. Had a breakout year this year. He will probably give the NFL a shot.

M Diallo: 6'4" 305. This is a big boy that can stop the run. Could be the future replacement for Jake.

Jevon Holland is as good as Mapletron, so he's probably heading to the NFL.

There is a large group of OL's but we really don't need another OL right now. Sage Doxtater 6'7" 330 this is one big man.
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2021, 04:50:39 PM »

Other teams may be making the same decisions on taking a flyer on a future returnee from NFL.

It's not the norm to have to look at 2 draft classes in TC at the same time.

I'm not opposed to taking a risk with 1 or our 1st 2 picks. Whether they choose to do or not is anybodies guess and will depend on the 2 teams above us making choices to some degree.

Another OL might ride on whether we are able to bring back Speller. If so how do we retain everyone on the OL gets even dicer.
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2021, 03:40:20 PM »

Nice article about Montreal's St-Juste. He played in the Senior Bowl this year, and will get looks from both the NFL and CFL. At 6'3" 205 this kid could be a good safety in the CFL.
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2021, 06:23:31 PM »

 Wouldn't use an early pick, but would it be worth using a late round pick to gamble on C. Hubbard ?  I think he will be NFL drafted and play there a long time, but you never know - maybe if he flames out there he would be interested in playing in the CFL ?  And shows up to carry on a new Bomber tradition of outstanding Canadian RBs - Harris... Oliveira + Augustine ...
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2021, 09:54:17 PM »

Nice article about Montreal's St-Juste. He played in the Senior Bowl this year, and will get looks from both the NFL and CFL. At 6'3" 205 this kid could be a good safety in the CFL.

Or he can play Cornerback.  I don't understand why people keep wanting to convert Canadians, who played cornerback in university to safety in the pros.  This year has a great crop of Canadian CBs; St-Juste, Rene, Leonard and Lokombo.  All of them should be given.a chance at CB in the CFL.
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2021, 10:15:27 PM »

Or he can play Cornerback.  I don't understand why people keep wanting to convert Canadians, who played cornerback in university to safety in the pros.  This year has a great crop of Canadian CBs; St-Juste, Rene, Leonard and Lokombo.  All of them should be given.a chance at CB in the CFL.

We all know that doesn't happen in the CFL. They should but they don't.

I wouldn't be drafting a RB. We are very deep at Canadian RB. AH (34).  JA (28).  BO (24). 
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2021, 10:34:15 PM »

Or he can play Cornerback.  I don't understand why people keep wanting to convert Canadians, who played cornerback in university to safety in the pros.  This year has a great crop of Canadian CBs; St-Juste, Rene, Leonard and Lokombo.  All of them should be given.a chance at CB in the CFL.

 Lokombo played D-half for the Huskies; even rarer for Canadians to get a shot there than at CB in the good ole CFL.  Darryl Sampson the last one to man that spot regularly in the CFL ?  Woodson played some there last year for the Argos and was impressive IMO - they just re-signed him = we shall see.
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2021, 06:37:59 PM »

Or he can play Cornerback.  I don't understand why people keep wanting to convert Canadians, who played cornerback in university to safety in the pros.  This year has a great crop of Canadian CBs; St-Juste, Rene, Leonard and Lokombo.  All of them should be given.a chance at CB in the CFL.

No they shouldn't. As mentioned in the post below: speed and competition levels.
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Or he can play Cornerback.  I don't understand why people keep wanting to convert Canadians, who played cornerback in university to safety in the pros.  This year has a great crop of Canadian CBs; St-Juste, Rene, Leonard and Lokombo.  All of them should be given.a chance at CB in the CFL.

It usually comes down to speed. CSI speed ain't necessarily CFL speed.  And, Canadian college players don't necessarily see the same level of competition in their man coverage as their NCAA counterparts.

Which isn't to say Canadians don't get a chance at cornerback (albeit usually field corner).  Matt Bucknor is the last Canadian to play cornerback for the Bombers, if I recall correctly.  Courtney Stephen has played cornerback, as have Anthony Thompson, Arjen Colquhon, and Tevaughn Campbell. 

So it's not like it never happens.
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2021, 03:03:17 PM »

It usually comes down to speed. CSI speed ain't necessarily CFL speed.  And, Canadian college players don't necessarily see the same level of competition in their man coverage as their NCAA counterparts.

Which isn't to say Canadians don't get a chance at cornerback (albeit usually field corner).  Matt Bucknor is the last Canadian to play cornerback for the Bombers, if I recall correctly.  Courtney Stephen has played cornerback, as have Anthony Thompson, Arjen Colquhon, and Tevaughn Campbell. 

So it's not like it never happens.

I never said it never happens, what I said is more Canadians deserve a chance to play the position they played in college.
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2021, 03:53:12 PM »

I never said it never happens, what I said is more Canadians deserve a chance to play the position they played in college.

You're missing the point why it doesn't happen. Players deserve to get a chance when they show they deserve it by play on the field. They don't deserve it just because they are Canadians.
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You're missing the point why it doesn't happen. Players deserve to get a chance when they show they deserve it by play on the field. They don't deserve it just because they are Canadians.

 I think it's you who are clearly missing the point:  players are recruited by what they did at the next highest level before the pros and at a specific position;  but some to lots of Canadian players don't get the chance to compete at their position because of the huge amount of bias and favortism by CFL decision makers towards American players - which has been made more prevalent by CFL roster rule changes to allow more American players.  It is blatant and obvious favortism/bias (at QB, D-half and at other CFL times at tailback, MLB, CB, OT). The very best Canadian O-Line talent from college ball almost always gets a CFL shot, though mostly at interior O-line.

Players are given a chance to try-out for a specific team and specific position by the football people in charge - players don't get to just show up and try-out or compete on their own accord or because they are Canadian.
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I think it's you who are clearly missing the point:  players are recruited by what they did at the next highest level before the pros and at a specific position;  but some to lots of Canadian players don't get the chance to compete at their position because of the huge amount of bias and favortism by CFL decision makers towards American players - which has been made more prevalent by CFL roster rule changes to allow more American players.  It is blatant and obvious favortism/bias (at QB, D-half and at other CFL times at tailback, MLB, CB, OT).  Players are given a chance to try-out for a specific team and specific position by the football people in charge - players don't get to just show up and try-out or compete on their own accord or because they are Canadian.

That's not true. Many NAT players are drafted based on their athleticism and the coaches plan to convert them to another position.
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I think it's you who are clearly missing the point:  players are recruited by what they did at the next highest level before the pros and at a specific position;  but some to lots of Canadian players don't get the chance to compete at their position because of the huge amount of bias and favortism by CFL decision makers towards American players - which has been made more prevalent by CFL roster rule changes to allow more American players.  It is blatant and obvious favortism/bias (at QB, D-half and at other CFL times at tailback, MLB, CB, OT). The very best Canadian O-Line talent from college ball almost always gets a CFL shot, though mostly at interior O-line.

Players are given a chance to try-out for a specific team and specific position by the football people in charge - players don't get to just show up and try-out or compete on their own accord or because they are Canadian.

Bias? Persecution complex is more like it.  If you'd been paying attention to the CFL over the past decades you'd know that.

US has better college programs, better coaches, training regimes, competition level. More specifically it has many more players to draw from due to population.
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2021, 05:43:19 PM »

That's not true. Many NAT players are drafted based on their athleticism and the coaches plan to convert them to another position.

 Sure, happens a bit;  and some guys who are top athletes and smart football players can adapt or maybe do OK on special teams.

 But, aside from Brad Sinopoli, give me a list of top Canadian CFL players who made such a significant position (and not tackle to guard or D-half to safety) switch and have been real impact players - from the last decade or two if you wish.  And then we can compare it to the list of CFL all-star Canadians who played their natural, college ball position in the CFL.

 Wally in BC thought Andrew Harris should be moved to safety or slotback when first there because he couldn't see or stomach a Canadian (out of Junior ball to boot) playing tailback for him.
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Sure, happens a bit;  and some guys who are top athletes and smart football players can adapt or maybe do OK on special teams.

 But, aside from Brad Sinopoli, give me a list of top Canadian CFL players who made such a significant position (and not tackle to guard or D-half to safety) switch and have been real impact players - from the last decade or two if you wish.  And then we can compare it to the list of CFL all-star Canadians who played their natural, college ball position in the CFL.

 Wally in BC thought Andrew Harris should be moved to safety or slotback when first there because he couldn't see or stomach a Canadian (out of Junior ball to boot) playing tailback for him.

Kind of a red herring, out of position is out of position. Surely your don't expect me to compile a list of guys who went from DB to OL. Of course they will be going to a similar position to their body size. There have been guys make the move from OL to DL and receiver to DB....are they impactful moves...no...it's a way to roster them for their ST abilities while providing a need. If they don't make the move successfully they are replaced. Naturally it would be every teams preference to play guys at their natural positions, but if you have an athlete sometimes you move them so that you get full value.
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Bias? Persecution complex is more like it.  If you'd been paying attention to the CFL over the past decades you'd know that.

US has better college programs, better coaches, training regimes, competition level. More specifically it has many more players to draw from due to population.

Yep - everybody gets that the US has a bigger population than Canada and produces more football players.  That is trotted out as some conclusive proof of something every time on this topic (along with a bunch of other cliches).

 I'm not talking about joe average football player or  "numbers games"  or stuff like that.  Talking about the cream of the crop of the Canadian football talent pool that should be getting a CFL look at all positions.   If you'd been paying attention, you might have noticed that Andrew Harris is the best tailback in the CFL of the past 5 to 10 years even (and before him it  was Cornish) - clearly better than all/any American backs of the period.  There was a CFL period where basically zero Canadians got a shot to start at tailback in the CFL.  And that was all because of the attitudes of those making CFL personnel decisions - and THAT - who makes the decisions, is what is most mis-understood on this subject;  as everybody gets the USA is bigger than Canada.
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2021, 05:55:04 PM »

Kind of a red herring, out of position is out of position. Surely your don't expect me to compile a list of guys who went from DB to OL. Of course they will be going to a similar position to their body size. There have been guys make the move from OL to DL and receiver to DB....are they impactful moves...no...it's a way to roster them for their ST abilities while providing a need. If they don't make the move successfully they are replaced. Naturally it would be every teams preference to play guys at their natural positions, but if you have an athlete sometimes you move them so that you get full value.

 No;  i was hoping you could make a list of Canadian players who have gotten serious CFL chances to try-out at D-half, QB, corner, S-OLB in the past few years even.  Pretty short lists ?
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Yep - everybody gets that the US has a bigger population than Canada and produces more football players.  That is trotted out as some conclusive proof of something every time on this topic (along with a bunch of other cliches).

 I'm not talking about joe average football player or  "numbers games"  or stuff like that.  Talking about the cream of the crop of the Canadian football talent pool that should be getting a CFL look at all positions.   If you'd been paying attention, you might have noticed that Andrew Harris is the best tailback in the CFL of the past 5 to 10 years even (and before him it  was Cornish) - clearly better than all/any American backs of the period.  There was a CFL period where basically zero Canadians got a shot to start at tailback in the CFL.  And that was all because of the attitudes of those making CFL personnel decisions - and THAT - who makes the decisions, is what is most mis-understood on this subject;  as everybody gets the USA is bigger than Canada.

You're grasping at straws. Reality is reality. If I can look at 100 American players or 10 Canadian players the odds of finding a better American is obvious.

In the 50's and 60's there were a ton of Canadian RB's starting in the CFL.
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Yep - everybody gets that the US has a bigger population than Canada and produces more football players.  That is trotted out as some conclusive proof of something every time on this topic (along with a bunch of other cliches).

 I'm not talking about joe average football player or  "numbers games"  or stuff like that.  Talking about the cream of the crop of the Canadian football talent pool that should be getting a CFL look at all positions.   If you'd been paying attention, you might have noticed that Andrew Harris is the best tailback in the CFL of the past 5 to 10 years even (and before him it  was Cornish) - clearly better than all/any American backs of the period.  There was a CFL period where basically zero Canadians got a shot to start at tailback in the CFL.  And that was all because of the attitudes of those making CFL personnel decisions - and THAT - who makes the decisions, is what is most mis-understood on this subject;  as everybody gets the USA is bigger than Canada.

Cornish and Harris are certainly examples of NATs that were dominant at traditionally IMP positions but for every one of those there are many high draft picks who just can't beat out an IMP for a position but hold value to the team. I don't think there is any doubt that high NAT draft picks can compete with NATs at a position but if you look at the list of all stars at skill positions you will see a list heavily dominated by IMPs...and so it should be....their is a vast difference in the size of the pool of players available.
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No;  i was hoping you could make a list of Canadian players who have gotten serious CFL chances to try-out at D-half, QB, corner, S-OLB in the past few years even.  Pretty short lists ?

And we keep telling you why and you keeping ignoring what we're telling you. Anyway. LB's: O'Shea, C.Judge, Lokombo, Ackie to name a few.

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No;  i was hoping you could make a list of Canadian players who have gotten serious CFL chances to try-out at D-half, QB, corner, S-OLB in the past few years even.  Pretty short lists ?

Short lists for sure because there just are not many available that can play at a CFL level. That's just fact. Are there bound to be outliers like Judge or Ackie, sure there are but teams would rather go searching in a deep pool than go looking for a needle in a haystack. I'm certainly not suggesting there are no NATs that can play at an equal level to some IMPs at skill positions, I'm just saying I understand why we don't see more of them. The reason, imo, is because in a cash strapped league you have to make the very best of your recruitment expenses and it is far more budget friendly to look at 100 IMPS at skill positions to find 10 capable of playing at a high level in the CFL than it is to look at 1000 NATs to find one. They are just more pro ready because they come from vastly superior football coaching, training, and competition levels.
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Cornish and Harris are certainly examples of NATs that were dominant at traditionally IMP positions but for every one of those there are many high draft picks who just can't beat out an IMP for a position but hold value to the team. I don't think there is any doubt that high NAT draft picks can compete with NATs at a position but if you look at the list of all stars at skill positions you will see a list heavily dominated by IMPs...and so it should be....their is a vast difference in the size of the pool of players available.

 But this discussion morphed from a poster suggesting that top notch Canadian cornerback talents up this draft (Rene, St Juste, Leonard) shouldn't get a look at their position in the CFL.  They might pan out to be top CFL CB talents, just like Cornish & Harris turned out to be top CFL RBs after they were given the chance - that's the point - a real chance to compete at your position, and not be written-off because you are Canadian.
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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2021, 06:17:35 PM »

And we keep telling you why and you keeping ignoring what we're telling you. Anyway. LB's: O'Shea, C.Judge, Lokombo, Ackie to name a few.

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 S-OLB is now more of an extra DB in the CFL game;  Canadians basically don't get to try-out there in the CFL now, just like they don't at D-half or QB.

 Anybody can name examples of Canadians playing all positions in CFL history.  The Als started 3 Canadians at LB in a season in the more recent past.

 I'm talking about the current CFL.
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But this discussion morphed from a poster suggesting that top notch Canadian cornerback talents up this draft (Rene, St Juste, Leonard) shouldn't get a look at their position in the CFL.  They might pan out to be top CFL CB talents, just like Cornish & Harris turned out to be top CFL RBs after they were given the chance - that's the point - a real chance to compete at your position, and not be written-off because you are Canadian.

Two words: Derek Jones.

More words: Couldn't really cut it at DHB or safety either. They aren't written off they get beat out in TC.
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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2021, 06:18:48 PM »

But this discussion morphed from a poster suggesting that top notch Canadian cornerback talents up this draft (Rene, St Juste, Leonard) shouldn't get a look at their position in the CFL.  They might pan out to be top CFL CB talents, just like Cornish & Harris turned out to be top CFL RBs after they were given the chance - that's the point - a real chance to compete at your position, and not be written-off because you are Canadian.

The  very high end guys in the draft will almost always get a chance to compete for their positions. However, just because they are highly ranked in Canadian college doesn't necessarily mean they can beat an IMP. That's just the fact of the matter.
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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2021, 06:46:54 PM »

The  very high end guys in the draft will almost always get a chance to compete for their positions. However, just because they are highly ranked in Canadian college doesn't necessarily mean they can beat an IMP. That's just the fact of the matter.

 Agreed - top Canadian players are not not necessarily going to beat out an IMP for playing time/job;  and especially so if they don't even get the chance to compete in a CFL TC.
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« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2021, 12:20:44 AM »

Amen Ogbongbemiga 6'1" 235. Best D player in the draft. Says he wants his shot at the NFL. Which mite be good for Winnipeg this year $$$. Give him his shot in the NFL and bring him back in a year or two. 

D Joseph: 6'3" 265. Best DL in the Draft. Carbon copy to JK2. Had a breakout year this year. He will probably give the NFL a shot.

M Diallo: 6'4" 305. This is a big boy that can stop the run. Could be the future replacement for Jake.

Jevon Holland is as good as Mapletron, so he's probably heading to the NFL.

There is a large group of OL's but we really don't need another OL right now. Sage Doxtater 6'7" 330 this is one big man.


 CFL Combines lists announced.

 Gives a clearer picture of which U Sports prospects are up for this draft - as over 100 players were reported to have deferred to next draft because of the lost 2020 season.

 Pretty decent crop of U Sports LB and O-line prospects it seems;  also leading U Sports receiver from 2019 - Will Corby (U of T) is going to the Combine

 Some local products to consider: Bisons' CanWest all-star DBs Shae Weekes (went down to US college ball Bimidji State for last season but no season due to Covid;  also made U Sport all-Canadian at D-half) and Arjay Shelley (6-4 corner);  CanWest all-star RB & returner - Mike Ritchott from the Bisons;  LB Austin Delaroque - Mayville State and from Warren

 Still likely to be a NCAA prospect heavy draft - with a number of those draftable still able to return for another year of US college ball.
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« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2021, 06:18:09 AM »

Another OL might ride on whether we are able to bring back Speller. If so how do we retain everyone on the OL gets even dicer.

Speller left for TOR.  Done deal.  Ya, I have trouble keeping it all straight too.

If you'd been paying attention, you might have noticed that Andrew Harris is the best tailback in the CFL of the past 5 to 10 years even (and before him it  was Cornish) - clearly better than all/any American backs of the period.

BGW makes a very good point here.  Add in Cahoon at receiver, clearly as good as any IMP.  And I'd also add Sinopoli in CGY and the first 3 years in the RedBlacks.  Canada can produce world-class talent in the CFL.  And that excludes all the great Canadians who get hoovered up permanently by the NFL.

If more young NATs get a chance to start, we might see more of these "greats" emerge.  How many of the greats took a few years to blossom and were lucky to have not been cut?

As for the draft: is Lokombo the other CFL player's brother or something?  My take is grab one of the DL guys as that helps us on day 1.
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« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2021, 02:51:58 PM »

Speller left for TOR.  Done deal.  Ya, I have trouble keeping it all straight too.

BGW makes a very good point here.  Add in Cahoon at receiver, clearly as good as any IMP.  And I'd also add Sinopoli in CGY and the first 3 years in the RedBlacks.  Canada can produce world-class talent in the CFL.  And that excludes all the great Canadians who get hoovered up permanently by the NFL.

If more young NATs get a chance to start, we might see more of these "greats" emerge.  How many of the greats took a few years to blossom and were lucky to have not been cut?

As for the draft: is Lokombo the other CFL player's brother or something?  My take is grab one of the DL guys as that helps us on day 1.



 Nelson Lokombo (up this draft -  a DB, and former D player of the year in U Sports ball), is the brother of Bo - LB, back with BC now.

 D-line would be interesting;  I'd also bet though that one or both of Griffiths or Dheilly could pan-out as quite capable in the rotation on the D-line;  and go with vet Thomas to have one Canadian on the field at D-line at all times - like late last season to get to 7 only.
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« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2021, 03:05:02 PM »

We have the # 3 and # 16 picks which could give a potential starter.

I still have hope that Hallett or Lokombo ( if we draft him ) could start at safety. There are 5 DB's ranked above Lokombo at the moment. While we may gain a top prospect he may not be directly where we need the most support.

We have to wait and see which players don't try their hand in the NFL and what the two teams do at # 1 and #2 draft choices. Not every choice is as obvious as we'd like.

However I'm confidant that our # 3 pick will be a good player. The top 10 are getting some good press reports. Who the Bombers have the most interest in given free choice, I have no idea.
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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2021, 03:21:29 AM »

We have the # 3 and # 16 picks which could give a potential starter.

I still have hope that Hallett or Lokombo ( if we draft him ) could start at safety. There are 5 DB's ranked above Lokombo at the moment. While we may gain a top prospect he may not be directly where we need the most support.

We have to wait and see which players don't try their hand in the NFL and what the two teams do at # 1 and #2 draft choices. Not every choice is as obvious as we'd like.

However I'm confidant that our # 3 pick will be a good player. The top 10 are getting some good press reports. Who the Bombers have the most interest in given free choice, I have no idea.

It would probably be wise to take Lokombo, they say he can play anywhere in the secondary and SAM Linebacker.  St.Baptiste and Holland will likely get and NFL shot.  Leonard, Addae and Rene are all going back to school and will be in the 2022 NFL draft.
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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2021, 01:47:22 PM »

It would probably be wise to take Lokombo, they say he can play anywhere in the secondary and SAM Linebacker.  St.Baptiste and Holland will likely get and NFL shot.  Leonard, Addae and Rene are all going back to school and will be in the 2022 NFL draft.

His diversity is valuable and I expect he could be a very good player. However, there are other players ranked higher at other positions which can't be excluded in the thought process.

I'm not suggesting we take a flyer on a candidate with an NFL dream at # 3 but that's still a possibility. Taking a player going back to school happens in the draft all the time so that's a choice too I suppose. Considering we'll have 2 draft classes to debate it's not the worst idea but not one normally done in the 1st round?

There are a couple of receivers and a LB that might be our choice.

I don't think Lokombo will still be there when we pick at # 16.

The draft is a challenge particularly the 1st round. A few of those players will get an NFL tryout and may stick for at least 2021.

The ranking will change a few times before the draft. Teams will make draft choices that seem surprising outside the box. A few top draft choices will be closer to busts while some lower choices a pleasant surprises.

Since we didn't get to see our 2020 draft choices, it's an unusual situation not clearly defining our greatest need.
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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2021, 03:08:33 PM »

His diversity is valuable and I expect he could be a very good player. However, there are other players ranked higher at other positions which can't be excluded in the thought process.

I'm not suggesting we take a flyer on a candidate with an NFL dream at # 3 but that's still a possibility. Taking a player going back to school happens in the draft all the time so that's a choice too I suppose. Considering we'll have 2 draft classes to debate it's not the worst idea but not one normally done in the 1st round?

There are a couple of receivers and a LB that might be our choice.

I don't think Lokombo will still be there when we pick at # 16.

The draft is a challenge particularly the 1st round. A few of those players will get an NFL tryout and may stick for at least 2021.

The ranking will change a few times before the draft. Teams will make draft choices that seem surprising outside the box. A few top draft choices will be closer to busts while some lower choices a pleasant surprises.

Since we didn't get to see our 2020 draft choices, it's an unusual situation not clearly defining our greatest need.

Of course, the problem with this years draft is guy like Chubba, Amen, Jevon and Alaric are all predicted to be to go in the NFL draft as opposed to just getting a camp tryout or getting signed as a UFDA.  That changes thing big time, because I'm sure CFL teams are more likely to take a chance on an NFL UDFA, rather than an NFL draft pick.  I do think the that the three mentioned above, will drop like Gallimore and Claypool did last year.

It's also different, because this is the first time in a couple of years where we have guys in the draft, who still have NCAA eligibility left.  In the past couple of years NCAA players have entered the CFL after using up their eligibility.  I think the last redshirt juniours were drafted in 2013.

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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2021, 03:46:57 PM »

Of course, the problem with this years draft is guy like Chubba, Amen, Jevon and Alaric are all predicted to be to go in the NFL draft as opposed to just getting a camp tryout or getting signed as a UFDA.  That changes thing big time, because I'm sure CFL teams are more likely to take a chance on an NFL UDFA, rather than an NFL draft pick.  I do think the that the three mentioned above, will drop like Gallimore and Claypool did last year.

It's also different, because this is the first time in a couple of years where we have guys in the draft, who still have NCAA eligibility left.  In the past couple of years NCAA players have entered the CFL after using up their eligibility.  I think the last redshirt juniours were drafted in 2013.



You're more in tune with the information than I am. So good points about being actual NFL draft choices versus UDFA.  That thins out the top 10 selection choices. Looking at the current rankings that leaves a bunch of OL, DL and a couple of receiver choices in the higher rankings.

I think our preference would be receiver or DB as far as greater need to bolster. If we choose by best player available then that could fall to OL or DL.

We've already got some choices to make with other newbies at those positions. Don't know enough literally about most of these players. Any comment I make is based on expected need and draft ranking.

That said that's not much of a real informed position on my part.

Hearing how the NFL draft goes before ours happens may shed more light. They tend to sign a few UDFA's as well.
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« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2021, 05:43:57 PM »

You're more in tune with the information than I am. So good points about being actual NFL draft choices versus UDFA.  That thins out the top 10 selection choices. Looking at the current rankings that leaves a bunch of OL, DL and a couple of receiver choices in the higher rankings.

I think our preference would be receiver or DB as far as greater need to bolster. If we choose by best player available then that could fall to OL or DL.

We've already got some choices to make with other newbies at those positions. Don't know enough literally about most of these players. Any comment I make is based on expected need and draft ranking.

That said that's not much of a real informed position on my part.

Hearing how the NFL draft goes before ours happens may shed more light. They tend to sign a few UDFA's as well.

Thats what makes the CFL draft, because their is so many factors go into making the pick. 

I don't know what you guys will do.  Eli and Gray are waiting in the wings for a chance to start.  Both guys are versatile and can probably fill in at any of the five positions.

You have Griffiths and Dheilley on the Dline.  Both have yet to take a snap in a regular season game.  Thomas is still a good rotational DT.

Linebacker maybe a spot that could be taken in round 2. Cross and
Hladik from UBC could still be there.  McDonald from the U of Calgary might also be there.

I think you guys are fine in the receiving corps.  Maybe add another depth guy.

You probably the deepest team at Canadian RB.  Maybe adding a FB/TE in Labelle in the later rounds couldn't hurt.

Like you said, DB maybe you biggest need, especially after losing Exume.
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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2021, 06:10:20 PM »

After losing Petermann to Ottawa our Canadian depth is a little thin at receiver. We did draft a couple of LB's in 2020 that haven't seen the field yet. That's why I theorized a receiver more than a LB per se.

However my comments were in the context of only the 1st round.

I was sad to lose Exume but have hopes for he Hallett brothers.

Much is needed to be sorted out.

On the DL we hope that Griffiths or Dheilley become capable players. In a perfect world I'd hope that at least 1 of them is more capable of being a full time starter ( an every down type player ).

I'm not trying to diss Thomas. Just tying to say if one of the rookies is " better " that would give us a stronger Canadian presence and as well as a good back up.

At the moment we have a good back up / rotation guy in Thomas but don't know what we have behind him. Few are convinced he should be an every down starter.
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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2021, 02:55:30 AM »

I don't know what you guys will do.

You probably the deepest team at Canadian RB.

You write like you're not a 'pegger or WPG fan?  Usually it's "we".  Not that I'm complaining, I'm just curious.  Other team fans are always welcome here (looking at you catfan!).  We even get 2 SSK fan regulars (in season) -- that takes real guts.  Wink
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« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2021, 02:43:20 PM »

You write like you're not a 'pegger or WPG fan?  Usually it's "we".  Not that I'm complaining, I'm just curious.  Other team fans are always welcome here (looking at you catfan!).  We even get 2 SSK fan regulars (in season) -- that takes real guts.  Wink


That's because I'm a Ti-Cat fan, you look at any teams forum and it's fans from accross the league.
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« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2021, 04:59:28 PM »

The mock draft on CFL.CA shows Bombers picking Lokombo.

Also shows Hamilton picking Joseph at # 1. His brother is F. Ekakatie.

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« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2021, 12:49:50 AM »

Mock 1.0: What will Hamilton do with the first overall pick? - Marshall Ferguson CFL.CA

ROUND 1

1. HAMILTON
DANIEL JOSEPH
DE | NC STATE

The brother of former top pick Faith Ekakitie and cousin of Wilfrid Laurier drafted pass rusher Ese Mrabure-Ajufo, Daniel Joseph has the combination of size, speed and raw pass rush ability that you expect in a player worthy of landing near the top of draft boards.

Joseph spent 2020 at NC State after transferring from Penn State and started eight of the eleven games he played while leading the Wolfpack with 6.5 sacks on the year. Here the Ticats solidify depth behind 2020 CFL first round draft pick Mason Bennett. While adding ratio flexibility, make no mistake the play here is for pure talent to place opposite Ja'Gared Davis.

2. SASKATCHEWAN

LOGAN BANDY
OL | CALGARY

Bandy might not reach this high in the draft, but when you are the marquee blocker on a team with as many pro-worthy prospects as the still Vanier Cup-defending champion Calgary Dinos do, I like the odds.

Saskatchewan will dearly miss the absence of Dariusz Bladek, who left in free agency for Toronto, and Dakoda Shepley, who signed with the San Francisco 49ers, unless they target top end talent in this draft. Without another pick until 17th overall, the time and place is here at second overall to take their pass blocker of choice and allow Cody Fajardo to develop comfortably.

3. WINNIPEG

NELSON LOKOMBO
DB | SASKATCHEWAN

Shots Fired! The Bombers steal the Saskatchewan Huskies product after the Riders focus on pass protection and scoop up the 2019 U SPORTS Defensive Player Of The Year. Nelson?s natural CFL fit, despite being slightly undersized, is at free safety. While Winnipeg is predominantly American on the back end, he can earn his reps on special teams alongside the Hallett brothers as Nick and Noah stand alone waving the maple leaf in the Bombers' secondary.

4. BC

DESHAWN STEVENS
LB | MAINE
Deshawn Stevens has the skills and body to be a dynamic linebacker in my opinion. With the Lions going Canadian at a couple ?backer spots, they should take Stevens for special teams as he waits his turn behind 2020 top overall selection Jordan Williams or 2013 draft pick Bo Lokombo and watch the open field tackles rack up.

5. EDMONTON

MOHAMED DIALLO
DT | CENTRAL MICHIGAN
Averaging nearly a sack per game while being named to the all-MAC first team, Diallo is all of six-foot-four, 305 pounds with the ability to play immediately in a suddenly forceful Canadian front line in Edmonton. The line would feature Kwaku Boateng and Mathieu Betts and have Diallo anchoring the middle in a rotation with any American tasked to replace Almondo Sewell.

6. OTTAWA

JOSH PALMER
REC | TENNESSEE
Ottawa has promise with Matt Nichols and Paul LaPolice reuniting, but who will they direct targets towards? Nationals under contract in Ottawa include Anthony Coombs, Marco Dubois, Wesley Lewis, Dan Petermann and, of course, Brad Sinopoli. However, none of these players have the combination of frame, route running, lower body explosion and angry hands that Palmer put on display against top shelf SEC opponents in a pandemic-riddled 2021 Volunteers season.

7. TORONTO

ALARIC JACKSON
OL | IOWA

While free agency is for need, the draft is for value.

Alaric Jackson likely gets his earned look in the NFL as the CFL's Central Scouting Bureau top ranked player, but Toronto is set up to be fully invested in protecting Nick Arbuckle for the foreseeable future. Securing the unique athleticism, movement skills and prototypical size of Jackson as a future hallmark of the Argos protection plan makes a lot of sense.

8. CALGARY

SAGE DOXTATER
OL | NEW MEXICO STATE
The last couple years have been uncharacteristically difficult for the Stamps offensive line health and depth. Unlike many U SPORTS prospects, Sage will have recent reps to be game ready for Calgary as his New Mexico State Aggies recently wrapped up a two game sprint of a spring season to make good on the COVID-ravaged 2020 fall schedule. His feet will need some tidying in the pros to solve balance concerns, but you can't disagree with a motivated and experienced six-foot-seven, 350-pound frame.

9. HAMILTON

PATRICK DAVIS
OL | SYRACUSE
There are higher rated players in this draft at offensive line, but few with centre experience and the ability to swing across all five blocking spots. Versatility is the key with this pick after Hamilton reportedly won?t have longtime rock Mike Filer snapping to Jeremiah Masoli or Dane Evans in 2021.

Second Round on the Mock 1.0 Draft is here!
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« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2021, 03:56:21 PM »

Announced to happen on May 4th. We have # 3, # 16 and # 21 in the first 3 rounds.  Should be some good players available for us to take.

I wonder who.
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« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2021, 05:04:36 PM »

Lokombo would be a nice pick, but at #3??? I think the Bombers will go with Amen Ogbongbemiga, or Joseph, if they can wait a year or two.  Stevens, or Diallo at #3 if there looking for right now.
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« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2021, 05:44:46 PM »

With all of the draft picks already in hand from last year, teams may elect to draft the players scheduled to be in the NFL draft, that way they do not have to pay them now but perhaps in a year or two.
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« Reply #46 on: April 01, 2021, 01:44:28 PM »

Lokombo would be a nice pick, but at #3??? I think the Bombers will go with Amen Ogbongbemiga, or Joseph, if they can wait a year or two.  Stevens, or Diallo at #3 if there looking for right now.

It's really going to depend on were Ogbongemiga is picked in the NFL draft. I've seen one mock where he is picked in the the 3rd and others where he is picked in the 5th.  Someone posted an interview of Kyle Walter's over on the Riders forum.  In it, he basically says that he learned from his days as an GM to not pick guys high in the CFL draft, who have huge NFL interests.
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« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2021, 03:27:21 PM »

May 4th is the CFL draft. 7 pm TSN.
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« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2021, 06:48:13 PM »

It's really going to depend on were Ogbongemiga is picked in the NFL draft. I've seen one mock where he is picked in the the 3rd and others where he is picked in the 5th.  Someone posted an interview of Kyle Walter's over on the Riders forum.  In it, he basically says that he learned from his days as an GM to not pick guys high in the CFL draft, who have huge NFL interests.

The OL is really the only position where we don't specifically need more depth. If it turns out that the best player available is an OL that might be what we do. We drafted 2 Global choices at OL.

As I mentioned with the Global draft I'd think our focus would be on the defensive side of the ball adding depth. OTOH we could use some depth for our Canadian receiver positions as well.

Adding a DB would make me happy due to not much current depth or experience at the moment.

I have no idea what the Bomber choice list looks like though.

Will be fun to see how close mock draft choices look across the CFL and actual picks.

 
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