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« on: August 20, 2020, 04:35:51 PM »

Something to watch in the near future? All of the transactions in July and August have been releases or retirements.

Nate Holley was released today to chase an NFL deal.

I expect we're going to see some activity / movement to NFL or possibly XFL. A few players that might have been thinking retirement at the end of 2020 might make announcements prior to the end of the year?

Not sure how this plays out with 1st year rookies that would have been coming to TC. I'd think some will look to XFL for the spring at the very least.

EDIT: Since I expect we may hear about some Bomber changes but if mod's want to move this to the other forum, ok.
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2020, 04:52:29 PM »

This season is done. Release any player who would become a FA at the end of the season who has any, even faint, NFL shot. Creates some good will among the players, even if we lose a player or two.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2020, 05:29:11 PM »

I agree with TB and think we'll see some of this type of movement soon.
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2020, 05:31:09 PM »

This season is done. Release any player who would become a FA at the end of the season who has any, even faint, NFL shot. Creates some good will among the players, even if we lose a player or two.

We have about 36 players listed as potential free agents.  That includes a few veterans like Awe or Antigua on 1 year deals that haven't even had a chance to attend TC. Maybe 4 or 5 veterans fall into that category.

Many 1st year rookie players ( also about 36 players ) signed 2 year deals. I don't know how binding those become with the 2020 season cancelled.

That group is where I expect to see most departures in all CFL cities.

I'm not expecting any real movement from Bomber veterans to the NFL or XFL. I do expect a small number of retirements before 2021. But we have some that were 1st year CFL in 2019 that are in the 2020 list of potential free agents: Lawler, Bailey, Whitehead for example. It's not impossible there could be some other opportunities for them.


Still waiting for more info on contract status of all CFL players after the cancellation of the season.  I wonder where the CFLPA is taking a stand one way or the other on this broader question.

I agree that if a given player asks for his release it should be granted.



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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2020, 01:51:01 PM »

CFL players can opt of their contracts starting Monday.

https://www.tsn.ca/report-cfl-players-can-opt-of-contracts-starting-monday-1.1512818


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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2020, 02:11:43 PM »


It's happening sooner that I thought. I guess we'll see how this pans out. With NFL TC's already in full swing and XFL still somewhat in limbo, there aren't really a lot of other opportunities at the moment.

This could shatter the CFLPA and current CBA. That's not exactly a surprise concept but what then?

We may be heading towards a massive re-tooling of the league. Everything is up for grabs and teams may be unrecognizable next year due to player movement across the CFL or out of the CFL.

Players with contracts into and beyond 2021 might " wait " longer to take action. OTOH if players opting out becomes a massive event, then I'd envision the league folding and re-building from scratch effectively.

Not a good thought for early Saturday morning. More questions than answers today.

Hopefully the CFLPA and league will be meeting in talks about a go forward plan very quickly.

EDIT: Status of coaching staffs may change as we see what players do shortly.



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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2020, 06:45:28 PM »

Lol!
Well so much for a "contract"
Furthermore, Anyone with family responsibilities and nearing thirty years old, should say forget it.
The bottom line is guys have to earn a living.  If the league is out of business for the next six to eight months, then there is no league.

Further, what do the off-field people do for a living?
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2020, 05:48:50 PM »

Earlier: Holley,  MBT, Leone, Shepley, Lacey opt out.

Stamps LB Wynton Mcmanus opts out of his contract. Just announced.
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2020, 06:34:42 PM »

Castillo opts out
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2020, 06:36:47 PM »

Every team will have a few players walk. This guy's have to make a living. McManus is the real deal.
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2020, 07:13:39 PM »

It would be interesting to see a complete breakdown of CFL players by contract length and years in the CFL. No need to identify with player names just math data.

With players signed for TC's each team must have close to 75 players under contract. 1/3 of those would have been going to their 1st TC. That sounds like about 675 ( 75 X 9 ). Usually we've been seeing about 300 reach free agency each off season. Many re-sign but that's raw math with lots of 1 year deals for veterans.

While I'm not expecting any large number of departures in the immediate future, that may change between now and the end of December. Those that are contemplating XFL chances and those scheduled to be FA's in February might then choose to exit.

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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2020, 10:30:38 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2020, 10:40:33 PM »

Last one out of Regina please turn off the lights.
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2020, 01:22:04 AM »

Jon Ryan wasnt coming back anyways. No way that Shepley wants to play CFL.
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2020, 04:07:39 AM »

I think MBT would make a great XFL QB... and if he goes that increases the odds that Nichols secures the #1 spot in TOR.
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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2020, 10:46:09 AM »

Lol, sure and he's playing for peanuts., as opposed to not playing I guess!
Besides when the CFL starts up he can come back up here anyway if he wants.
No problem
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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2020, 12:59:15 PM »

Last one out of Regina please turn off the lights.
lol yup!
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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2020, 12:37:02 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2020, 01:12:19 PM »

A few Bomber rookies opted out yesterday. Overall 18 more players did across the CFL yesterday. Ricky Collins the only notable veteran that opted out.


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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2020, 01:33:18 PM »

A few Bomber rookies opted out yesterday.

Including Thiadric Hansen and Kenny Lawler.
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« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2020, 01:45:51 PM »

Here's the complete on going list copied from the roster page.

https://www.cfl.ca/2020/08/26/tracking-cflers-exercised-opt-outs/
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« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2020, 06:30:34 PM »

To this point we have only lost PR roster players.
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« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2020, 06:40:07 PM »

To this point we have only lost PR roster players.

Almost. We lost Lawler and Hansen today. Both were potential free agents going into 2021. However, nothing says they might not be back by then. I don't know if they'll succeed with any long term NFL chances. More likely they get a chance in the XFL?
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« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2020, 07:02:00 PM »

Almost. We lost Lawler and Hansen today. Both were potential free agents going into 2021. However, nothing says they might not be back by then. I don't know if they'll succeed with any long term NFL chances. More likely they get a chance in the XFL?

Hansen was actually released for opportunities in the German league as opposed to the NFL.  He will definitely try to return to the CFL in 2021, assuming there is a season. 

Lawler had a decent year for us, but 640 yards in the CFL is unlikely to get him his NFL shot.  Don't blame him for keeping his options open, but very good chance he will be back.
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« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2020, 07:09:57 PM »

Almost. We lost Lawler and Hansen today. Both were potential free agents going into 2021. However, nothing says they might not be back by then. I don't know if they'll succeed with any long term NFL chances. More likely they get a chance in the XFL?

To bad, must have just happen there not on your list.
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« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2020, 08:24:03 PM »

Hansen was actually released for opportunities in the German league as opposed to the NFL.  He will definitely try to return to the CFL in 2021, assuming there is a season. 

Lawler had a decent year for us, but 640 yards in the CFL is unlikely to get him his NFL shot.  Don't blame him for keeping his options open, but very good chance he will be back.

All of that is true. I wouldn't be surprised to see both back in the CFL in 2021. Could even be back in Winnipeg. Was looking forward to seeing them play this season. It wasn't meant to be.

On a side note: Kongbo was released by San Fran today. I'd sure like to see him back to help with the ratio on defense.
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« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2020, 08:34:27 PM »

Hansen was actually released for opportunities in the German league as opposed to the NFL.  He will definitely try to return to the CFL in 2021, assuming there is a season. 

Lawler had a decent year for us, but 640 yards in the CFL is unlikely to get him his NFL shot.  Don't blame him for keeping his options open, but very good chance he will be back.

It was to play in Poland.

HANSEN HOPES TO SHARPEN SKILLS IN POLAND
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« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2020, 08:42:23 PM »

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Defensive back Isaiah Johnson and wide receiver Travin Dural have been released from their @CFL contracts to pursue @NFL opportunities.


- of the 7 rookies released so far only Kenney was with the Bombers last season. He was signed to the practice roster on Sept 24th and was never added to the active roster.
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« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2020, 08:49:24 PM »

To bad, must have just happen there not on your list.

The Bombers announced the Hansen and Lawler releases on twitter last night. They should be listed on the CFL transactions page when the CFL updates it in the next hour or so.
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« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2020, 09:29:29 PM »

It's not unusual for players to go to the NFL if they can.  Who wants to be a career CFLer?
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« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2020, 10:15:51 PM »

It's not unusual for players to go to the NFL if they can.  Who wants to be a career CFLer?
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« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2020, 04:38:36 AM »

It was to play in Poland.

HANSEN HOPES TO SHARPEN SKILLS IN POLAND
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Well, that's embarrassing.  Peanut league Goldeyes can get their act together to play, NFL can get their act together to play, and now the football in Poland of all places can get their act together to play.  But the CFL?...

What's next, curling?  Are they going to play?

Sad sad
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« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2020, 05:26:46 AM »

Yes, curling is going to play. Not a full schedule but they are going to play 2 Grand Slams this year.
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« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2020, 02:09:26 PM »

Well, that's embarrassing.  Peanut league Goldeyes can get their act together to play, NFL can get their act together to play, and now the football in Poland of all places can get their act together to play.  But the CFL?...

What's next, curling?  Are they going to play?

Sad sad
SMH


Geez. Let it go already. The US has 25% of the world's Covid cases and deaths, large numbers of citizens that totally disregard any distancing / masks and believe Covid is a hoax.

In the NFL there are players that make more than the entire CFL spend overall on the 9 rosters of players.

It's unfortunate there will be no CFL this season but your comparisons and logic that's it's sad is sad in itself.
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« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2020, 04:15:45 PM »

Last one out of Regina please turn off the lights.

Rider fans better pray that Shepley comes back. He's a middle of the road OG but they were really thin on NAT OL depth and talent before he left. Now they are looking they will be fielding 2 scrubs and a has been down the middle of their OL.
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« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2020, 05:00:53 PM »

The draft will really be a crapshoot too. Tough to fill holes that way.
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« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2020, 05:16:21 PM »

Rider fans better pray that Shepley comes back. He's a middle of the road OG but they were really thin on NAT OL depth and talent before he left. Now they are looking they will be fielding 2 scrubs and a has been down the middle of their OL.

Sure but Bombers are not exactly set either: Hardrick, Bryant, Neufeld, Speller and Gray are all potential free agents.

While I'd expect to be able to re-sign all of them, that isn't written in stone anywhere.

Here's another question going into 2021 with potentially still about 35 players listed as potential free agents:

Normally every team uses up some excess SMS at the end of each season to re-sign their potential free agents.

What happens this off season where most of the SMS wasn't spent? We don't know if there will be renegotiated changes to the 2021 SMS. However, it's not like teams can " use " $3M give or take of the 2020 SMS they didn't payout as previous signing bonus's for 2020.

Do they agree on an " average " under spend in previous years to use in that manner?

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« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2020, 08:14:45 PM »

Cameron Judge released in Regina. Didn't see that one coming. I guess players have nothing to lose to see if they can get an NFL opportunity. Chances are always slim but this late in NFL TC's doesn't bode well for chances.
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« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2020, 08:27:38 PM »

Cameron Judge released in Regina. Didn't see that one coming. I guess players have nothing to lose to see if they can get an NFL opportunity. Chances are always slim but this late in NFL TC's doesn't bode well for chances.
Even with training camp well underway, teams are bringing in new players every day.

The practice rosters expanded from 10 to 12 this season. Then, because of Covid they increased the practice rosters to 16.
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« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2020, 09:39:35 PM »

Bombers dlineman Christian Ringo opted-out today. He just signed with the team on June 26th.       
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« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2020, 11:18:18 PM »

This just sucks ***.
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« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2020, 11:23:46 PM »

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« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2020, 11:47:23 PM »

Monday is the last day that players can opt-out of their contracts.

Hansen, Lawler and Grant are due to be free agents in February.

The rookies that opted-out will still be under contract with the Bombers if they wish to play in the CFL next season.
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« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2020, 12:18:32 PM »

Grant was a great find.
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« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2020, 05:12:24 AM »

Well, that's embarrassing.  Peanut league Goldeyes can get their act together to play, NFL can get their act together to play, and now the football in Poland of all places can get their act together to play.  But the CFL?...

What's next, curling?  Are they going to play?

Sad sad
SMH


I have to agree with Gary Lawless in the following article, the team owners had an opportunity to step up into the sun and create new opportunities, instead they stepped back into the shadows and fell in a mud puddle.  They put the league's future in jeopardy over a lack of vision and a difference of 30 million dollars, which in the scope of a hundred million dollar enterprise isn't much.  They'll need to spend 30 million dollars just to restore the league to the point it was at in 2019, but I doubt they'll do that either.

https://3downnation.com/2020/08/25/former-tsn-reporter-gary-lawless-enormously-disappointed-in-the-leadership-of-the-cfl/
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« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2020, 06:35:28 AM »

Geez. Let it go already. The US has 25% of the world's Covid cases and deaths, large numbers of citizens that totally disregard any distancing / masks and believe Covid is a hoax.

In the NFL there are players that make more than the entire CFL spend overall on the 9 rosters of players.

It's unfortunate there will be no CFL this season but your comparisons and logic that's it's sad is sad in itself.

I have to agree with Gary Lawless in the following article, the team owners had an opportunity to step up into the sun and create new opportunities, instead they stepped back into the shadows and fell in a mud puddle.

https://3downnation.com/2020/08/25/former-tsn-reporter-gary-lawless-enormously-disappointed-in-the-leadership-of-the-cfl/

Apparently Lawless agrees with me.

First (Blue In BC) you point out that we shouldn't play CFL because there are Americans on our teams and you think America is a huge covid risk.  But the Jays, and the Canadian NHL teams have tons of Americans on their teams, just like the CFL, yet they managed to play.  Heck, I bet there are Americans on the Goldeyes team too!  So obviously having Americans in the mix doesn't preclude a league from playing.

Second, you point to the CFL's tiny salaries compared to the NFL as a reason we can't play.  But if tiny salaries were an impediment to playing, why are the Goldeyes playing?  What do they make each game, $5?  Or curling (for the non-star curlers)?  So clearly money, or lack thereof, doesn't dictate whether a league can play during covid.

Lawless says it's "thoroughly disappointing", as he has to be more delicate than I do.  "Pathetic" is probably what he's really thinking.  Because it is.

As for the virus, the revised conventional wisdom is that the IFR "infection fatality rate" of covid is 0.5-1.0%.  Some outlets peg it at much less.  And once you back out the 70+'ers it's way under 0.5%.  Take out the co-morbidity cases many estimate it's closer to 0.2%.  Add in the fact that asymptomatic people aren't a big public contagion vector.  Regardless of the actual numbers, it's not the boogeyman it was made out to be (and had me convinced, I admit) back in April, when flawed models estimated millions dead (of all ages) in every large country.  Clearly, the at risk groups need to be protected.  The rest of us should be watching CFL games at IGF right now.  And I stand by my prediction not a single (active) NFL player will die of covid this season, and neither would have any CFL player.
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« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2020, 01:29:56 PM »

Apparently Lawless agrees with me.

First (Blue In BC) you point out that we shouldn't play CFL because there are Americans on our teams and you think America is a huge covid risk.  But the Jays, and the Canadian NHL teams have tons of Americans on their teams, just like the CFL, yet they managed to play.  Heck, I bet there are Americans on the Goldeyes team too!  So obviously having Americans in the mix doesn't preclude a league from playing.

Second, you point to the CFL's tiny salaries compared to the NFL as a reason we can't play.  But if tiny salaries were an impediment to playing, why are the Goldeyes playing?  What do they make each game, $5?  Or curling (for the non-star curlers)?  So clearly money, or lack thereof, doesn't dictate whether a league can play during covid.

Lawless says it's "thoroughly disappointing", as he has to be more delicate than I do.  "Pathetic" is probably what he's really thinking.  Because it is.

As for the virus, the revised conventional wisdom is that the IFR "infection fatality rate" of covid is 0.5-1.0%.  Some outlets peg it at much less.  And once you back out the 70+'ers it's way under 0.5%.  Take out the co-morbidity cases many estimate it's closer to 0.2%.  Add in the fact that asymptomatic people aren't a big public contagion vector.  Regardless of the actual numbers, it's not the boogeyman it was made out to be (and had me convinced, I admit) back in April, when flawed models estimated millions dead (of all ages) in every large country.  Clearly, the at risk groups need to be protected.  The rest of us should be watching CFL games at IGF right now.  And I stand by my prediction not a single (active) NFL player will die of covid this season, and neither would have any CFL player.
https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/estimating-mortality-from-covid-19


Clearly you won't let it go. It was going to cost more to play than to not play. The last thing CFL teams needed was to lose even more money on a lost season. Yes it was a mitigating factor for why teams aren't playing. Not the only factor but a significant factor.

As far as the NFL it's not just about whether a player will die but whether they pass it on to others that might. Family, friends etc. There is no bubble for NFL players. There is a risk.

Lawless may agree with you but the CFL did not. Several players had already stated they would not play. They are they only ones that count. You're willingness to " bet " no NFL players will die, is beyond comprehension. Something like 65 NFL players opted out due to underlying medical conditions or family situations.

There is no 2020 season. Period. End of story. Full stop.
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« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2020, 02:42:32 PM »

Apparently Lawless agrees with me.

First (Blue In BC) you point out that we shouldn't play CFL because there are Americans on our teams and you think America is a huge covid risk.  But the Jays, and the Canadian NHL teams have tons of Americans on their teams, just like the CFL, yet they managed to play.  Heck, I bet there are Americans on the Goldeyes team too!  So obviously having Americans in the mix doesn't preclude a league from playing.

Second, you point to the CFL's tiny salaries compared to the NFL as a reason we can't play.  But if tiny salaries were an impediment to playing, why are the Goldeyes playing?  What do they make each game, $5?  Or curling (for the non-star curlers)?  So clearly money, or lack thereof, doesn't dictate whether a league can play during covid.

Lawless says it's "thoroughly disappointing", as he has to be more delicate than I do.  "Pathetic" is probably what he's really thinking.  Because it is.

As for the virus, the revised conventional wisdom is that the IFR "infection fatality rate" of covid is 0.5-1.0%.  Some outlets peg it at much less.  And once you back out the 70+'ers it's way under 0.5%.  Take out the co-morbidity cases many estimate it's closer to 0.2%.  Add in the fact that asymptomatic people aren't a big public contagion vector.  Regardless of the actual numbers, it's not the boogeyman it was made out to be (and had me convinced, I admit) back in April, when flawed models estimated millions dead (of all ages) in every large country.  Clearly, the at risk groups need to be protected.  The rest of us should be watching CFL games at IGF right now.  And I stand by my prediction not a single (active) NFL player will die of covid this season, and neither would have any CFL player.
https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/estimating-mortality-from-covid-19

The Jays have players from all over the world, but there also not playing games in Canada. The MLB has had many cases of Covid. Some games have been cancelled and other postponed. So this is not a good example.

The NBA and the NHL have both done an amazing job with there bubbles and keeping the player safe. However they do have 100's of millions to play with.

Curling hasn't even started yet. Probably won't start till the new year. Teams from other countries will have to isolate for 14 days if there allowed into the country. 

Now if there was CFL football and we were the hub city, I really don't know if anyone would be allowed at IGF to watch football.
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« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2020, 05:20:09 PM »

The Jays have players from all over the world, but there also not playing games in Canada. The MLB has had many cases of Covid. Some games have been cancelled and other postponed. So this is not a good example.

The NBA and the NHL have both done an amazing job with there bubbles and keeping the player safe. However they do have 100's of millions to play with.

Curling hasn't even started yet. Probably won't start till the new year. Teams from other countries will have to isolate for 14 days if there allowed into the country. 

Now if there was CFL football and we were the hub city, I really don't know if anyone would be at IGF watching football.

Do you mean if they were allowed to be there, you don't know?
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« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2020, 07:15:51 PM »

Yes, if anyone would be allowed.
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« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2020, 07:39:06 PM »

Yes, if anyone would be allowed.

Then I do know. Because I would be there.
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« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2020, 07:52:32 PM »

Rider fans better pray that Shepley comes back. He's a middle of the road OG but they were really thin on NAT OL depth and talent before he left. Now they are looking they will be fielding 2 scrubs and a has been down the middle of their OL.
Tough gig for him to make the 49ers but who knows.  Also hear that Vernon Adams has opted out of Montreal but plans to be back if nothing happens.
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« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2020, 08:30:45 PM »

The CFL didn't pursue playing because the costs in doing so were greater than the revenue streams they had, so nobody wanted to lose money, the government wasn't bailing them out, so they didn't play. It's not that hard to follow along.....
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« Reply #53 on: August 30, 2020, 10:45:35 PM »

Yes, if anyone would be allowed.

I believe the hub plan stipulated no fans in the stands.
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« Reply #54 on: August 30, 2020, 11:12:46 PM »

Toronto said no. Only team to come out and say they did not want to play. That's what killed the season. Ironically the team with fewest fans and privately owned
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« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2020, 05:06:31 AM »

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« Reply #56 on: August 31, 2020, 06:26:55 AM »

Maston was the final,piece needed to make our defence formidable. If he is lost, it would the old" hard to replace"

The CFL always seems to be financially unstable.
Lastly, I don't care about the TV contract angle.  Toronto is a cluster****, and is really a black mark on the league.
Kudos, to Wade and Pallister for showing leadership.

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« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2020, 03:42:28 AM »

Mercy Maston has been released to pursue NFL opportunities.

Pretty sure Maston was trying the NFL and that's why he was unavailable until we snapped him up?

Anyhow, none of these "CFL player X released for NFL opportunities" means what it did in prior years, as every guy that has any chance will go down and try to make NFL money or even XFL money until the CFL starts up again.  There's literally nothing to lose.

Yes, Maston was one of the final pieces in the puzzle.  Boy did he excel in a short period of time.  Much better than I remember him being in EDM.
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« Reply #58 on: September 01, 2020, 04:08:05 AM »

The CFL didn't pursue playing because the costs in doing so were greater than the revenue streams they had, so nobody wanted to lose money, the government wasn't bailing them out, so they didn't play. It's not that hard to follow along.....

Right, so leagues with deep pockets can make it work: even the sputtering MLB is putting games on the air.  But there are tons of smaller-than-CFL leagues that are also making it work.  Why does it seem that the only failure is the precise size of league that the CFL is?  Bigger: no problem.  Smaller: no problem.  But CFL size? nope, can't do it.  Serious question.

It reminds me of that scene from Oh Brother Where Art Thou: Well ain't this place a geographical oddity! Two weeks from everywhere!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ4z0QhD92Y

CFL is too small to play.  CFL is too big to play.  CFL is a league-o-graphical oddity.

Or is it that all those bigger and smaller leagues are more financially viable than the CFL?  Is the CFL really that pathetic that it's in worse financial condition than the Polish Football League and the Goldeyes league?  Serious question.  And you think other leagues aren't playing even though they are losing money too?  I'm sure many other leagues are playing at a loss, or their governments put a higher value on helping them play to boost public morale in a dark time.

If a 0.2%-0.5% virus (per the WHO and CDC) causes this much disruption to the world (and football), I shudder to think what the people will allow their governments to do when a virus that is more deadly vis a vis history (5-30% CFR) shows up and takes 3 years to clear.

And still no one has answered my question: what do we do if April 2021 rolls around and there's no useful vaccine and the virus is still smouldering like it is now?  The chance that comes to pass is non-zero.  I'd guess 25%.  Every argument provided as to why we can't play now will apply just the same then.  Do we shut down football in 2021 too?  Kiss the CFL goodbye then.

Then I do know. Because I would be there.

Me and you both, fellow fan!
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It did, but there is still a few people that think some how they would have been at IGF watching games.
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« Reply #60 on: September 01, 2020, 11:10:56 AM »

Right, so leagues with deep pockets can make it work: even the sputtering MLB is putting games on the air.  But there are tons of smaller-than-CFL leagues that are also making it work.  Why does it seem that the only failure is the precise size of league that the CFL is?  Bigger: no problem.  Smaller: no problem.  But CFL size? nope, can't do it.  Serious question.

It reminds me of that scene from Oh Brother Where Art Thou: Well ain't this place a geographical oddity! Two weeks from everywhere!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ4z0QhD92Y

CFL is too small to play.  CFL is too big to play.  CFL is a league-o-graphical oddity.

Or is it that all those bigger and smaller leagues are more financially viable than the CFL?  Is the CFL really that pathetic that it's in worse financial condition than the Polish Football League and the Goldeyes league?  Serious question.  And you think other leagues aren't playing even though they are losing money too?  I'm sure many other leagues are playing at a loss, or their governments put a higher value on helping them play to boost public morale in a dark time.

If a 0.2%-0.5% virus (per the WHO and CDC) causes this much disruption to the world (and football), I shudder to think what the people will allow their governments to do when a virus that is more deadly vis a vis history (5-30% CFR) shows up and takes 3 years to clear.

And still no one has answered my question: what do we do if April 2021 rolls around and there's no useful vaccine and the virus is still smouldering like it is now?  The chance that comes to pass is non-zero.  I'd guess 25%.  Every argument provided as to why we can't play now will apply just the same then.  Do we shut down football in 2021 too?  Kiss the CFL goodbye then.

Me and you both, fellow fan!


You keep mentioning the Goldeyes. The Goldeyes are playing out of Fargo, in the US, where they're allowing attendance because 'Merica. That means revenue. That's the difference.

You are right that the CFL is in a weird financial zone compared to other leagues. Too small for big TV contracts like the big 4 in North America, and too big to not need a significant revenue source like e.g. a Polish gridiron football league where I bet Hansen is playing for kubasa lunches. Not sure what the attendance policy is in former Soviet bloc countries.
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« Reply #61 on: September 01, 2020, 01:15:30 PM »

Bombers have lost about 10 players in total. That includes 4 very good players and 6 that were brought in for their 1st TC.

About 90 players across the CFL opted out in total. The posted list may not be entirely complete yet. Some were very good players but most were rookies.  Good luck to them in trying to find NFL spots. They want to play and continue their careers.

I wonder how many return in 2021 and to which teams ( several were potential free agents going into 2021 ).

Riders lost 22 players. Please turn off the lights. Smiley
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« Reply #62 on: September 01, 2020, 02:23:48 PM »

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WINNIPEG, MB., September 1, 2020 - The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have announced the following players have opted out of their contracts to pursue NFL opportunities per the agreement between the CFL and the CFLPA after the cancellation of the 2020 season:

 * American linebacker Jontrell Rocquemore
 * American defensive tackle Christian Ringo
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« Reply #63 on: September 01, 2020, 05:35:40 PM »

All in all we did pretty good. Two starters on the D, and two starting teams players. I can see them all back next year along with JK2 and MS14.
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« Reply #64 on: September 02, 2020, 12:22:17 AM »

Bombers have lost about 10 players in total. That includes 4 very good players and 6 that were brought in for their 1st TC.

About 90 players across the CFL opted out in total. The posted list may not be entirely complete yet. Some were very good players but most were rookies.  Good luck to them in trying to find NFL spots. They want to play and continue their careers.

I wonder how many return in 2021 and to which teams ( several were potential free agents going into 2021 ).

Riders lost 22 players. Please turn off the lights. Smiley

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« Reply #65 on: September 02, 2020, 05:10:40 AM »

All in all we did pretty good. Two starters on the D, and two starting teams players. I can see them all back next year along with JK2 and MS14.

Yup, if CFL is back in 2021 I would expect 80%+ of the non-retirement-age players to be back, CFL-wide.  I'm not concerned.  Their chances in NFL and their salary ceiling in the XFL haven't magically changed since 2019.
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« Reply #66 on: September 02, 2020, 01:10:21 PM »

Yup, if CFL is back in 2021 I would expect 80%+ of the non-retirement-age players to be back, CFL-wide.  I'm not concerned.  Their chances in NFL and their salary ceiling in the XFL haven't magically changed since 2019.


That's probably mostly true.  We lost a year of development of players that might have been part of the team in 2020. That might have even included some older starters being pushed off the roster as well.

I was only expecting Harris to play for another 2 seasons. Now the question is whether missing this season pushes him to a retirement decision.  He'll be 34 years old by April. Medlock will be 36 and Remple will turn 40 IIRC?

Even if the SMS remains the same we have 30 potential free agents and that includes so many starters and ace ST players. Whether we'll be allowed any 2020 SMS carry over is another question. Normally teams end up with some SMS room to re-sign players before free agency.

It didn't appear we'd see many new faces to our roster going into 2020. The roster was solid.

What happens with the roster for 2021 is unknown at the moment.

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« Reply #67 on: September 02, 2020, 01:50:26 PM »

AH33 will be back in 2021 if there is CFL football. Remple, Medlock, and Bryant could also be a Huh?
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« Reply #68 on: September 02, 2020, 02:27:27 PM »

That's probably mostly true.  We lost a year of development of players that might have been part of the team in 2020. That might have even included some older starters being pushed off the roster as well.

I was only expecting Harris to play for another 2 seasons. Now the question is whether missing this season pushes him to a retirement decision.  He'll be 34 years old by April. Medlock will be 36 and Remple will turn 40 IIRC?

Even if the SMS remains the same we have 30 potential free agents and that includes so many starters and ace ST players. Whether we'll be allowed any 2020 SMS carry over is another question. Normally teams end up with some SMS room to re-sign players before free agency.

It didn't appear we'd see many new faces to our roster going into 2020. The roster was solid.

What happens with the roster for 2021 is unknown at the moment.



What a cruel twist of fate, the Bombers spend so many years struggling to build the roster back to the level of champions only to have all momentum stopped dead by bloody COVID-19.  Considering the personnel Walters gathered I was expecting an excellent chance of repeating, now everything is up in the air, the slate has been wiped clean and the next season begins with many teams on semi-equal footing, each with a half-million questions marks in terms of new personnel. Two or three weaker replacements in key positions could be the difference between winning the G.C. and missing the playoffs
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« Reply #69 on: September 02, 2020, 02:46:35 PM »

Every team will be dealing with the same issue's.
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« Reply #70 on: September 02, 2020, 04:02:15 PM »

What a cruel twist of fate, the Bombers spend so many years struggling to build the roster back to the level of champions only to have all momentum stopped dead by bloody COVID-19.  Considering the personnel Walters gathered I was expecting an excellent chance of repeating, now everything is up in the air, the slate has been wiped clean and the next season begins with many teams on semi-equal footing, each with a half-million questions marks in terms of new personnel. Two or three weaker replacements in key positions could be the difference between winning the G.C. and missing the playoffs

Exactly. Our roster was looking very good going into TC. We had to replace 2 starters in the secondary but had signed Lyles and Johnson.  Essentially perhaps a few ST players and PR players would be new to the team. Even then we had added Awe and Antigua that were almost penciled in to make the roster as DI's.

Yes every team will be dealing with the same issues. Interestingly the longer gap between the next season might actually allow those that departed to return.

Overall I think the culture in Winnipeg will bring back most of our potential free agents. No need to panic at all but it's a different kind of off season.

I suppose the 2021 draft will be the same order as 2020 or perhaps they do a lottery to determine draft order? Tough to not have those players play college this season so it's going to be even more of a crap shoot. Some of the 2020 draft choices might get passed by new choices.
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