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« on: September 15, 2019, 10:55:34 PM »

What do you think is the biggest surprise this season in the CFL and what is the biggest surprise for the Bombers
I think the play of the BC Lions has to be the biggest surprise in the CFL.I thought with the addition of Reilley as well as a few others in free agency the Lions would be fighting for first instead of one of the worst teams in the league.
The Bombers biggest surprise is how ineffective Chris Matthews was.I thought he would be a huge impact player for the Bombers not released halfway through the season.I think another big surprise for the Bombers has been the play of the O line. Losing Goosen and Chungh has not been a problem at all.
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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2019, 11:15:24 PM »

Biggest surprise to me is the Riders being above .500
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2019, 11:21:15 PM »

- I went to some practices during training camp and I thought Chris Matthews was going to be huge for us

- Andrew Harris' suspension was shocking.

- Riders under Fajardo are an unexpected nuisance

- Ti-Cats without Masoli are unexpectedly strong
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2019, 11:31:47 PM »

Surprises in a good way

Many back up QBs showing awesome. Will make for. Very interesting off season FA.

In a bad way

Harris suspension
So many QB injuries
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2019, 12:01:44 AM »

My major disappointments so far are:  Matthews being cut after such a good looking training camp and the 2 game suspension of AH just before the LDC.   The loss to the Riders at the LDC after Streveler's last TD and the hopeless feeling after a walk off the field game winning FG.   I was also bitterly disappointed that the Riders were awarded a W in Montreal because of bad weather.   

My big surprises were the stellar play of Augustine and Streveler and the huge rebound game the Bombers played at the Banjo Bowl.   I too was surprised with BC's abysmal season after all the hype around their FA signings.   Another surprise was the Bomber overall depth after sustaining so many injuries to key players.  With a few breaks here and there we could be 11-1 yet we still lead the league with 6 games remaining.  Another surprise was BLM who now has a record of 69-15-2 and his last two wins against their Arch Rival Esks.  He is still by far THE best QB in the CFL and with two Cup rings....he's a winner and I still say the road to the Grey Cup is through BLM and the Stamps!

With 6 games remaining I'm hoping the pleasant surprises outweigh any disappointments!
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2019, 12:05:59 AM »

Biggest surprise is how well most of the back-up qb?s are playing

Biggest Bomber surprise would be AH suspension
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2019, 01:00:12 AM »

The biggest surprise for me is BCs record. Also the play of Montreal.

For the Bombers the biggest surprise has to be the play of the back-ups.
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2019, 01:04:39 AM »

Biggest surprise for me is the consistently outstanding play of Willie Jefferson.  No doubt he performed well with the Riders but it seems he has stepped up a notch or two with the Bombers.  Did not expect him to be MODP material but he is.

Andrew Harris performing at an all-star level at this stage of his career is mildly surprising and I did not expect we would come up with a Janarion Grant-type of returner with the success he is having.
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2019, 01:07:45 AM »

Khari being able to turn things around in Montreal is probably the biggest
BC being as bad as they are
The success of back up quarterbacks this year
Edmonton?s struggle to score TDs
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2019, 01:27:31 AM »

Biggest disappointment for me was blowing a 20 point lead in losing to Toronto. I still don't know how that happened.

Biggest positive for me has been our depth and how we keep winning in spite of our best players not playing.
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2019, 02:00:32 AM »

BC being as bad as they are is a surprise.  The number of #1 QBs getting injured is a surprise
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2019, 02:35:02 AM »

Hansen.  Guy is legit.
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2019, 03:32:26 AM »

Don't need to start a new thread on the following but nonetheless another surprise and impressive statistic belonging to Milt Stegall:

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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2019, 07:13:45 AM »

"BC as bad as they are" as a surprise seems popular.  But a huge chunk of people saw it coming...

http://forums.bluebombers.com/index.php?topic=51532.0

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Funny, when people picked BC as 2nd worst, the worst was always SSK.  I guess many (me included) got blinded by our green-filtering glasses.  Or maybe not, as Zach probably would have SSK in the dumpster right about now.  SSK did luck out with Fajardo not being as horrifically awful as he was as a BC & TOR backup.

Personally, my big surprise is that SSK's D post-Jones is pretty much the same as SSK D with Jones.  Some presser said that the DC stayed the same and was basically keeping everything the same as Jones had it.  So I guess that explains it.  I thought it would be a "complete rebuild" year in SSK, but they kept it pretty consistent.

The biggest WPG surprise for me is we got a great return game this year.  Lucky is super, and then Grant comes along, and we also have Nelson at depth.  We may have the most-feared return game in the league this year, which is truly shocking.  I'm a big proponent of the theory that KW+Mafia are methodically making our team better each year, but I think the return game has just been a big lucky surprise / bonus / gravy.  I'll take it!
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2019, 02:25:27 PM »

BC being as bad as they are.

Montreal being as good as they are.

Number of starting QB's who have been injured.

Number of backup QB's who have looked good.

Not missing a beat on OL after losing Chungh and Goosen.

Ottawa looking good early on.

Harris getting caught juicing.

Matthews poor play.

Being able to beat down the Riders without Harris, Nichols, Demski etc.
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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2019, 03:10:27 PM »

Biggest surprise for me is the consistently outstanding play of Willie Jefferson.  No doubt he performed well with the Riders but it seems he has stepped up a notch or two with the Bombers.  Did not expect him to be MODP material but he is.

He is as I was sure he was going to be.  He single-handedly won 2 games for the Riders last year.  His play is no surprise for me. 

Biggest surprise is how many good young QBs there are.  We have had years with tons of young QBs play and it was aweful.  Calgary, Winnipeg, Hamilton, Saskatchewan, and Montreal all look absolutely fine (and some cases better) with their backup QBs playing.

It is great for the league going forward....
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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2019, 03:51:03 PM »

He is as I was sure he was going to be.  He single-handedly won 2 games for the Riders last year.  His play is no surprise for me. 

Biggest surprise is how many good young QBs there are.  We have had years with tons of young QBs play and it was awful.  Calgary, Winnipeg, Hamilton, Saskatchewan, and Montreal all look absolutely fine (and some cases better) with their backup QBs playing.

It is great for the league going forward....


To me this is the biggest story in the entire league this year. Fans always know about their own team's backups, and have opinions about them, but to see this kind of exposure of these guys this year, and the level at which they've performed has been quite astounding.

For Winnipeg, it's certainly changed the Streveler market. As I have posted a number of times in a number of places, the only obvious QB vacancy heading to 2020 is in Ottawa. They will have a pick from many QBs who've acquitted themselves quite well this season.
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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2019, 05:00:54 PM »

To me this is the biggest story in the entire league this year. Fans always know about their own team's backups, and have opinions about them, but to see this kind of exposure of these guys this year, and the level at which they've performed has been quite astounding.

For Winnipeg, it's certainly changed the Streveler market. As I have posted a number of times in a number of places, the only obvious QB vacancy heading to 2020 is in Ottawa. They will have a pick from many QBs who've acquitted themselves quite well this season.

story/surprise of the season for sure...great to see these guys doing well in their opportunity.
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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2019, 06:46:21 PM »

Biggest surprise for me is the consistently outstanding play of Willie Jefferson.  No doubt he performed well with the Riders but it seems he has stepped up a notch or two with the Bombers.  Did not expect him to be MODP material but he is.

Andrew Harris performing at an all-star level at this stage of his career is mildly surprising and I did not expect we would come up with a Janarion Grant-type of returner with the success he is having.

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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2019, 08:37:37 PM »

Everybody already gave the best answers! So I really have nothing to add...

Except to agree with others.

Biggest CFL surprise of the season: Backup quarterbacks puttin' on a show (interestingly enough, in the same season with the massive Reilly paycheck/signing, all these young quarterbacks show their thing, which actually may bring the price of future starting quarterbacks' paychecks down slightly, because suddenly there are more options on the market and there's less a sense of "If a team doesn't get one of the two big free agents this year, they're hooped".  It really shows how a young quarterback developed properly and given a chance can prove a viable alternative to big bucks.  Unless you're Ottawa.  Ottawa really struck out.)

Biggest Bomber surprise of the season:  Harris suspension.  Did not even remotely expect that to happen.

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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2019, 08:51:46 PM »

Would love to know TSNs viewing stats this year. I would be surprised if they have not improved.
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« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2019, 05:31:42 AM »

OK, so the QBs surprised everyone.  Here's the question:

Why were the backup QBs so good this year?

Think back to the last QB-injury-plague year, 2014 I think?  (or '15?)  Remember that year, and the years around it?  Basically every single #2, #3 (, #4) QB to hit the field was awful, or quickly became so.  Remember the MTL QB tribulations?  Or WPG in the years between Buck and Willy?  Or TOR whenever Ray got hurt?

Did the CFL just get super lucky this time?  It's quite shocking to think back to those dark, depressing QB years.

And to throw in some irony: I think the true #1's in '13-'15 were better than the #1's today.  The only true top-shelf QBs this year are BLM and MR.  So in the past the league had bad backups but great #1's, and now we have great backups and not-as-good #1's.  But it does make for a lot more parity this year.
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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2019, 08:16:24 PM »

OK, so the QBs surprised everyone.  Here's the question:

Why were the backup QBs so good this year?

Think back to the last QB-injury-plague year, 2014 I think?  (or '15?)  Remember that year, and the years around it?  Basically every single #2, #3 (, #4) QB to hit the field was awful, or quickly became so.  Remember the MTL QB tribulations?  Or WPG in the years between Buck and Willy?  Or TOR whenever Ray got hurt?

Did the CFL just get super lucky this time?  It's quite shocking to think back to those dark, depressing QB years.

And to throw in some irony: I think the true #1's in '13-'15 were better than the #1's today.  The only true top-shelf QBs this year are BLM and MR.  So in the past the league had bad backups but great #1's, and now we have great backups and not-as-good #1's.  But it does make for a lot more parity this year.


because it's a complete fallacy that a QB needs to carry a clipboard by 3+ years to be any good...you need to be smart, able to read a defense, be decisive, and have a strong arm...  oh, and one more thing... the starting QB to get hurt so you can actually get a chance to play... it's not as complicated as people would like to believe...
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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2019, 07:03:01 AM »

because it's a complete fallacy that a QB needs to carry a clipboard by 3+ years to be any good...you need to be smart, able to read a defense, be decisive, and have a strong arm...  oh, and one more thing... the starting QB to get hurt so you can actually get a chance to play... it's not as complicated as people would like to believe...

Still doesn't explain why the backups were (mostly) so bad league-wide from '12-'17.  The guys trotted out during those years were sometimes raw and green, and sometimes were clipboard holders for a while, but almost to a man they stunk.

It used to be you'd get about 1 backup QB a year who would show CFL-starting-material during their first few starts.  Maybe 1 every 2 years would have long-term staying power.  This year we have, what, 5-6 backup QBs who look like they can win games consistently?  This is completely unheard of.  The only real "backup" QB who has completely bombed has been Dom Davis, and maybe Franklin.
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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2019, 12:17:58 PM »

"BC as bad as they are" as a surprise seems popular.  But a huge chunk of people saw it coming...

http://forums.bluebombers.com/index.php?topic=51532.0

Pre Season Predictions... some pegged BC as worst in the West!
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Colton
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People who picked BC as 2nd worst in the West, only behind SSK:
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Goldmember
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Tecno
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heart of gold

Funny, when people picked BC as 2nd worst, the worst was always SSK.  I guess many (me included) got blinded by our green-filtering glasses.  Or maybe not, as Zach probably would have SSK in the dumpster right about now.  SSK did luck out with Fajardo not being as horrifically awful as he was as a BC & TOR backup.

Personally, my big surprise is that SSK's D post-Jones is pretty much the same as SSK D with Jones.  Some presser said that the DC stayed the same and was basically keeping everything the same as Jones had it.  So I guess that explains it.  I thought it would be a "complete rebuild" year in SSK, but they kept it pretty consistent.

The biggest WPG surprise for me is we got a great return game this year.  Lucky is super, and then Grant comes along, and we also have Nelson at depth.  We may have the most-feared return game in the league this year, which is truly shocking.  I'm a big proponent of the theory that KW+Mafia are methodically making our team better each year, but I think the return game has just been a big lucky surprise / bonus / gravy.  I'll take it!


I think SSKs D took a huge step back, but their O took a huge step forward.
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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2019, 12:22:01 PM »

OK, so the QBs surprised everyone.  Here's the question:

Why were the backup QBs so good this year?

Think back to the last QB-injury-plague year, 2014 I think?  (or '15?)  Remember that year, and the years around it?  Basically every single #2, #3 (, #4) QB to hit the field was awful, or quickly became so.  Remember the MTL QB tribulations?  Or WPG in the years between Buck and Willy?  Or TOR whenever Ray got hurt?

Did the CFL just get super lucky this time?  It's quite shocking to think back to those dark, depressing QB years.

And to throw in some irony: I think the true #1's in '13-'15 were better than the #1's today.  The only true top-shelf QBs this year are BLM and MR.  So in the past the league had bad backups but great #1's, and now we have great backups and not-as-good #1's.  But it does make for a lot more parity this year.


I don't think luck has much to do with our improvement in QB in the CFL. Some competing leagues folded and the CFL became the only viable option for those just outside the NFL bubble. It took a couple years after that to get them to come up here but is now bearing fruit.
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« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2019, 04:20:44 PM »

BC being as bad as they are is a surprise.  The number of #1 QBs getting injured is a surprise

And BC having a healthy Riley for the entire season so far is the big Whaaat? so far...
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« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2019, 07:51:15 PM »

BC stinking out the joint I am "not" completely surprised about to be honest. They laid all their eggs in a few baskets (Reilly, Chungh) and had nothing left to fill out the rest of the team. Certainly no depth at all. I felt they just might lay an egg and were way over-hyped to be sure. They lost almost all of their free agents and replaced them with no names or rookies. Their o-line was atrocious last season and improving one guard position was not going to improve that overnight.
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« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2019, 02:42:18 PM »

Better culture, better supporting cast.
To me, this brings up the fact that Walters has done a magnificent job of managing the Bombers since his inception of getting the GM portfolio.  We are very fortunate to have him.  Keep up the good work Mr. Walters.
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« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2019, 04:12:40 PM »

because it's a complete fallacy that a QB needs to carry a clipboard by 3+ years to be any good...you need to be smart, able to read a defense, be decisive, and have a strong arm...  oh, and one more thing... the starting QB to get hurt so you can actually get a chance to play... it's not as complicated as people would like to believe...

You obviously didn't see how many bad QB's Montreal had post AC. Or for that matter the number of QB's Winnipeg has had in the last 20 years that were horrible,
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« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2019, 04:21:57 PM »

To me, this brings up the fact that Walters has done a magnificent job of managing the Bombers since his inception of getting the GM portfolio.  We are very fortunate to have him.  Keep up the good work Mr. Walters.

KW has had quite a few years to do so. We had some stinker years early in his tenure as he started the rebuild and to date have exactly zero GCs in his tenure. Soooo...magnificent may be overstating it a bit.
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« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2019, 04:57:08 PM »

because it's a complete fallacy that a QB needs to carry a clipboard by 3+ years to be any good...you need to be smart, able to read a defense, be decisive, and have a strong arm...  oh, and one more thing... the starting QB to get hurt so you can actually get a chance to play... it's not as complicated as people would like to believe...

Wasn't that way in the past, for the most part QB's put in their time as backups and rarely got a fair shot at the starting job in their first two years. BLM made one of the quickest transitions to starting QB that I can remember and it took him 1-1/2 years, signed with the Stamps in 2012 and became the starter midway through 2013.  QB's like Darian Durant took 4 years to earn the position, which was not unusual at the time.
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« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2019, 05:39:33 PM »

KW has had quite a few years to do so. We had some stinker years early in his tenure as he started the rebuild and to date have exactly zero GCs in his tenure. Soooo...magnificent may be overstating it a bit.

That's how I see it also. Would give KW passing marks but until he gets the Bombers to the Grey Cup only giving him passing grades. Maybe C+ Maybe!
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« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2019, 05:50:23 PM »

That's how I see it also. Would give KW passing marks but until he gets the Bombers to the Grey Cup only giving him passing grades. Maybe C+ Maybe!

I like the team he's built and feel he can significantly upgrade his mark this season if all continues to go well. However, GCs are the measurement of success in the CFL.
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« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2019, 06:02:49 PM »

Add to the list of surprises that in the year of the backup QB, Mike Reilly is the last QB standing. Edmonton has announced that Logan Kilgore will start for them this week.
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« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2019, 07:56:02 PM »

You obviously didn't see how many bad QB's Montreal had post AC. Or for that matter the number of QB's Winnipeg has had in the last 20 years that were horrible,

The "legend" TJ Rubley! ..... the forgettable Jeff Reinbold era.

Michael Bishop had an arm where he could throw a ball through a closed barn door but had no accuracy and was an interception machine.......the forgettable Mike Kelly era! Wink

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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2019, 09:54:36 PM »

The "legend" TJ Rubley! ..... the forgettable Jeff Reinbold era.

Michael Bishop had an arm where he could throw a ball through a closed barn door but had no accuracy and was an interception machine.......the forgettable Mike Kelly era! Wink


Also Mike Kelly's original answer at QB Stefan LeFors.
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« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2019, 06:20:46 AM »

Add to the list of surprises that in the year of the backup QB, Mike Reilly is the last QB standing. Edmonton has announced that Logan Kilgore will start for them this week.

Yup, it's official now!  So when do we start laying bets on when Reilly gets injured enough to go on the IR?  Surely in a year like this it's got to be all or nothing.
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« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2019, 11:01:26 AM »

The "legend" TJ Rubley! ..... the forgettable Jeff Reinbold era.

Michael Bishop had an arm where he could throw a ball through a closed barn door but had no accuracy and was an interception machine.......the forgettable Mike Kelly era! Wink



Reinbold did bring in one really good looking QB recruit, Jay Walker. The guy started one or two games at the end of one season and did incredibly well and we were unable to re-sign him the next year because he wanted Dunigan money.
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« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2019, 02:04:35 PM »

Reinbold did bring in one really good looking QB recruit, Jay Walker. The guy started one or two games at the end of one season and did incredibly well and we were unable to re-sign him the next year because he wanted Dunigan money.

Yes I remember Walker and he did look good for those few games. That being said Dinwiddie and Elliott looked good for a brief time as well.

It's not uncommon for a rookie to appear to be a good prospect. The reality is that it's very unusual for it to not take a few seasons to learn the pro game. That's true in both the CFL and NFL at most positions.

The jump from college to pro game is a learning curve for most.

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« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2019, 03:02:32 PM »

KW has had quite a few years to do so. We had some stinker years early in his tenure as he started the rebuild and to date have exactly zero GCs in his tenure. Soooo...magnificent may be overstating it a bit.
You are probably right that I did get carried away but you have to remember that as an assistant GM, Walters did not have the authority to mold the Bombers.  He did not have the final word.  Also, when he finally did get the GM position, he inherited a train wreck. Slowly and patiently he build what we have today. No GC yet but one hell'va team.  I can see this team being the Calgary Stamps of the future...but that's me I guess.
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« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2019, 04:18:19 PM »

You are probably right that I did get carried away but you have to remember that as an assistant GM, Walters did not have the authority to mold the Bombers.  He did not have the final word.  Also, when he finally did get the GM position, he inherited a train wreck. Slowly and patiently he build what we have today. No GC yet but one hell'va team.  I can see this team being the Calgary Stamps of the future...but that's me I guess.

Hard to know. Calgary has been a team that has found and developed their own rookies. OTOH Winnipeg has been a team that has signed new talent more in free agency. Either process can work or fail.

In the new CBA ( 1 year deals as options for vets ) there seems to be more changes to every teams roster each season. I think we have nearly half of our starters as new starters in 2019. Several were with the team last year but not starters that have moved up as others moved out.

Others are veteran free agents or a few rookies either drafted or scouted. We'll go into 2020 with another long list of potential free agents. I think we'll be able to retain most but who really knows.

As good as this team is, the team in 2020 could be the same, better or worse. I wouldn't bet against an even better team. In particular due to the development of 2019 draft choices. It all starts with the Canadians and we've got some good ones.

If we lose some talented imports during the off season we'll make the necessary changes. Winnipeg is going to be a destination choice for some top talent IMO.

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« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2019, 05:45:29 PM »

Hard to know. Calgary has been a team that has found and developed their own rookies. OTOH Winnipeg has been a team that has signed new talent more in free agency. Either process can work or fail.

In the new CBA ( 1 year deals as options for vets ) there seems to be more changes to every teams roster each season. I think we have nearly half of our starters as new starters in 2019. Several were with the team last year but not starters that have moved up as others moved out.

Others are veteran free agents or a few rookies either drafted or scouted. We'll go into 2020 with another long list of potential free agents. I think we'll be able to retain most but who really knows.

As good as this team is, the team in 2020 could be the same, better or worse. I wouldn't bet against an even better team. In particular due to the development of 2019 draft choices. It all starts with the Canadians and we've got some good ones.

If we lose some talented imports during the off season we'll make the necessary changes. Winnipeg is going to be a destination choice for some top talent IMO.



For sure.

You are probably right that I did get carried away but you have to remember that as an assistant GM, Walters did not have the authority to mold the Bombers.  He did not have the final word.  Also, when he finally did get the GM position, he inherited a train wreck. Slowly and patiently he build what we have today. No GC yet but one hell'va team.  I can see this team being the Calgary Stamps of the future...but that's me I guess.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not suggesting that Walters has done a poor job either. If I were to give a grade right now though, I wouldn't rate him A-F, just simply IC (incomplete) with the possibility he can earn an A.
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« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2019, 06:18:15 PM »

You obviously didn't see how many bad QB's Montreal had post AC. Or for that matter the number of QB's Winnipeg has had in the last 20 years that were horrible,

you are correct, only season 3 for me... but, I'd be willing to bet that those you are referring to... it wouldn't have matter how many years they carried that clipboard, they were never going to make the grade in the first place...

I wouldn't go as far as to say that there isn't any value in a rookie QB having the luxury of carrying that clipboard for a year to get acclimated to the game... but I be willing to bet that until they find out they can't, they'll believe they can make every throw... it's the nature of the beast...

but, beyond a year, you're just waiting for a good QB in front of you to get hurt, move on, or retire... after a year, they will only get better by playing the game...
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« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2019, 06:43:31 PM »

you are correct, only season 3 for me... but, I'd be willing to bet that those you are referring to... it wouldn't have matter how many years they carried that clipboard, they were never going to make the grade in the first place...

I wouldn't go as far as to say that there isn't any value in a rookie QB having the luxury of carrying that clipboard for a year to get acclimated to the game... but I be willing to bet that until they find out they can't, they'll believe they can make every throw... it's the nature of the beast...

but, beyond a year, you're just waiting for a good QB in front of you to get hurt, move on, or retire... after a year, they will only get better by playing the game...

I've been watching for nearly 60 years so I've seen what's happened over a long period. Some QB's have gotten playing time early due to injuries to starters. In some cases I've seen starting QB's go down in TC and lost for the season.

Backs got to play. In some cases it was year 1 and for others it may have been year 2, 3 or 4.

The point is that there is no guaranteed time for how long it takes to develop of if they develop.

History shows very few QB's are ready year 1. Many survive for many seasons as back ups with limited playing time and never develop into starting QB's.

Ex Winnipeg QB's Dom Davis is a perfect  example. Brian Bennett is another. Both have struggled and / or been passed on the depth charts of their respective teams.


Even A. Calvillo who started in his 1st season in the Las Vegas expansion team wasn't that good. He went to Hamilton for a couple more seasons and they didn't re-sign him. It wasn't until he went to Montreal where he became a good QB probably around his 5th CFL season. Then he progressed to possibly the best CFL QB of all time.

We can even look at Streveler who's shown some talent but also struggles in the passing game. He's still a work in progress that may turn out to have a long career. He's had more real game time than most 2nd season QB's.

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