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« Reply #315 on: June 29, 2019, 08:22:03 PM »

IMO not re-signing Loffler had more to do with salary. They needed the money to sign a receiver.
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« Reply #316 on: June 30, 2019, 08:05:54 AM »

Sorry evidence does not support your argument regarding Walters frugality, he's bought into the high spending game hook, line and Catamaran.  He's made Jefferson the highest paid DE in the league, Bighill the highest paid MLB, and pursued both Walker and Ellingson two of the highest paid receivers in earnest trying to win the bid for their services.  I suspect he paid Matthews in the ball park of $225,000 in order to check off the costly receiver box on his list of wants.  This coming off-season he gets to deal with Nichols and Streveler contracts so we will see the implications on the team of having to pay one or both of them hefty raises if he wants to retain them.

Key word is "pursued".  He pursued lots of players, but didn't tunnelvision into a never-ending bidding war.  He made them fair offers, and I'd be shocked if he went back to the bidding table more than once more to bump up his bid (if at all).  Contrast with other GMs who got played like violins in a bidding frenzy like some rarity on ebay.

Even if our DE and MLB are highest paid in the CFL, they are highest paid by, what, $30k?  Reilly was highest-paid (at the time of his signing) by $250k!!  There's a difference between stretching by peanuts vs a country mile!

I'd be shocked if Matthews got $225k from KW.  Under $200 I'd say.  CM is not Rogers or Ellingson, and didn't prove too much in '18.  Besides, we had the cap room by saving that $250k on QB.

KW isn't so much "frugal" as he is masterful at spreading it around and optimizing.  Just look at the horrid D in BC and CGY.  Even EDM's is weaker.  The tunnelvision GMs overspent at the expense of other areas.  KW didn't.
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« Reply #317 on: June 30, 2019, 09:24:31 AM »


Even if our DE and MLB are highest paid in the CFL, they are highest paid by, what, $30k?  Reilly was highest-paid (at the time of his signing) by $250k!!  There's a difference between stretching by peanuts vs a country mile!

Bighill was MODP is being paid 230K. The Riders meanwhile signed Micah Johnson for 20K more than Bighill so the Bombers aren't the only team that spends on free agents.

Also Jefferson maybe the highest paid DE but he's not the highest paid DL as he's getting 40K less than Johnson.
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« Reply #318 on: June 30, 2019, 02:00:34 PM »

Well it would be nice if Jefferson showed up for a game.  Very underwhelming!
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« Reply #319 on: June 30, 2019, 02:25:44 PM »

Well it would be nice if Jefferson showed up for a game.  Very underwhelming!
It would be nice if we just played him at end instead of all this cute putting him on the center and using him like linebacker
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« Reply #320 on: June 30, 2019, 03:24:22 PM »

Jefferson is doing just fine in how they?re asking him to play. Understand that, and you?ll be less anxious.
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« Reply #321 on: June 30, 2019, 04:21:33 PM »

Well it would be nice if Jefferson showed up for a game.  Very underwhelming!

What kid of rig are you using?  Catching any pickerel?  Are you using an electric trolling motor?

Jefferson has had pressures, batted balls and draws double teams... he may not have posted fancy stats, but he is present every snap he takes, and opposing QB's are well aware of his presence...
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« Reply #322 on: June 30, 2019, 04:47:26 PM »

Jefferson has caused chaos in his two games to date. Sacks are nice but havoc resulting in bad / rushed throws is very effective as well. Taking away running lanes for RB's and preventing QB's from escaping pocket has impact.
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« Reply #323 on: June 30, 2019, 05:31:49 PM »

Jefferson has caused chaos in his two games to date. Sacks are nice but havoc resulting in bad / rushed throws is very effective as well. Taking away running lanes for RB's and preventing QB's from escaping pocket has impact.
Exactly. People forget that this is how Doug Brown was used. Sure he didn't appear on the stats sheet but by being double teamed he freed up other players to make plays.
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« Reply #324 on: June 30, 2019, 05:33:49 PM »

Bighill was MODP is being paid 230K. The Riders meanwhile signed Micah Johnson for 20K more than Bighill so the Bombers aren't the only team that spends on free agents.

Also Jefferson maybe the highest paid DE but he's not the highest paid DL as he's getting 40K less than Johnson.

"The Winnipeg Blue Bombers announced Tuesday they have signed the league's Most Outstanding Defensive Player Adam Bighill to a three-year contract extension.

TSN's Farhan Lalji reported Bighill will now be the highest paid defensive player in the league on a deal that will average more than $250K per year."

https://www.tsn.ca/blue-bombers-sign-bighill-to-three-year-extension-1.1241697

Sask. may have made Micah Johnson the highest paid D player as his contract was signed after Bighill's.  The point is Walters has bought into the idea of paying players he considers "stars" beyond the normal salary range for the position while holding others to a line he draws in the sand.  With Bighill he didn't really have a choice as he certainly deserves to be the highest paid MLB in the league and he is that important to the success of the team.  With Jefferson and Matthews it isn't so clear that he had to pay a premium to fill their roles, as recent recruiting shows they uncovered a few good prospects at both positions. If Walters had supreme confidence in his scouting and recruitment he would probably continue following Huff's road-map and not overpay for other teams proven talent.

A few problems with pursuing this strategy
1. Where to draw the line?  How much beyond base line do you venture?
2.  How to pick favourites?  Who gets rewarded and who is denied?
3.  How to avoid being burned by a player that does not live up to his top tier contract?   Both Mtl. and Sask. have famously signed vet. F.A.'s to lucrative contracts in the past only to reneg. on their deals in the second year of the contract and cut the player loose, which is bad for the player but also looks bad on the organization.

It may become more difficult to keep harmony in the locker room especially if this team manages to win a G.C. this year, certain players will expect to be compensated for excellent performance to the same extent as Walter's "star list" players. The end-result could be losing a 3rd of their players to F.A. and having a total rebuild on their hands.  Who wants to see that?   First example, Darvin Adams, if he puts up better numbers than Matthews at the end of the season is he likely to accept less pay or demand more?  In this scenario they probably decide to draw the line on Adams and let him walk away because of his age, which would be a sad end for a great Bomber. 

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« Reply #325 on: June 30, 2019, 07:24:35 PM »

"The Winnipeg Blue Bombers announced Tuesday they have signed the league's Most Outstanding Defensive Player Adam Bighill to a three-year contract extension.

TSN's Farhan Lalji reported Bighill will now be the highest paid defensive player in the league on a deal that will average more than $250K per year."

https://www.tsn.ca/blue-bombers-sign-bighill-to-three-year-extension-1.1241697

Sask. may have made Micah Johnson the highest paid D player as his contract was signed after Bighill's.  The point is Walters has bought into the idea of paying players he considers "stars" beyond the normal salary range for the position while holding others to a line he draws in the sand.  With Bighill he didn't really have a choice as he certainly deserves to be the highest paid MLB in the league and he is that important to the success of the team.  With Jefferson and Matthews it isn't so clear that he had to pay a premium to fill their roles, as recent recruiting shows they uncovered a few good prospects at both positions. If Walters had supreme confidence in his scouting and recruitment he would probably continue following Huff's road-map and not overpay for other teams proven talent.

A few problems with pursuing this strategy
1. Where to draw the line?  How much beyond base line do you venture?
2.  How to pick favourites?  Who gets rewarded and who is denied?
3.  How to avoid being burned by a player that does not live up to his top tier contract?   Both Mtl. and Sask. have famously signed vet. F.A.'s to lucrative contracts in the past only to reneg. on their deals in the second year of the contract and cut the player loose, which is bad for the player but also looks bad on the organization.

It may become more difficult to keep harmony in the locker room especially if this team manages to win a G.C. this year, certain players will expect to be compensated for excellent performance to the same extent as Walter's "star list" players. The end-result could be losing a 3rd of their players to F.A. and having a total rebuild on their hands.  Who wants to see that?   First example, Darvin Adams, if he puts up better numbers than Matthews at the end of the season is he likely to accept less pay or demand more?  In this scenario they probably decide to draw the line on Adams and let him walk away because of his age, which is a sad end for a great Bomber. 



250k average over 3 years but 230k for 2019 which is less than Johnson is making.

Bombers make Adam Bighill the highest paid defensive player in the CFL
By Justin Dunk  January 15, 2019

Adam Bighill's new contract with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers makes him the highest paid defensive player in the CFL, per sources.

Bighill's three-year contract extension will pay him a signing bonus of $105,000 included in $230,000 of hard money in the first season. There is a massive $750,000-plus in hard money over the length of the agreement.

https://3downnation.com/2019/01/15/bombers-make-adam-bighill-the-highest-paid-defensive-player-in-the-cfl/
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« Reply #326 on: July 01, 2019, 02:03:25 PM »

Als sign Tyler Crapigna.
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« Reply #327 on: July 01, 2019, 03:32:41 PM »

Als sign Tyler Crapigna.

Well he has the right surname for the organization. Smiley
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« Reply #328 on: July 01, 2019, 04:07:33 PM »

Als sign Tyler Crapigna.
Good signing if his hip is OK.
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