AAF opener thread

[GOLDMEMBER]

Maybe just for this game we can please keep this thread for the first ever AAF game.

In a way can effect the Blue Bombers, especially long term if it?s a good product.

I?ll be tuning in. Can?t wait to see how sloppy and boring it will be.

Thanks Mods

[GOLDMEMBER]

Go Mike Rielly Go, lol. Ugh.

[theaardvark]

I didn't realize the season was starting this soon.  Now we know why we've seen a lot of Int signings for TC, they're probably falling off the rosters in the AAF...

[Leroy]

It will be seen as gimmicky as the AFL but worse because it is trying to be actual football.

[kkc60]

It will be seen as gimmicky as the AFL but worse because it is trying to be actual football.

Meh. Its football. Arena Football is completely different.

I'm giving it a shot. Then again, I'm a football fan. Not just a CFL fan

[Leroy]

Meh. Its football. Arena Football is completely different.

I'm giving it a shot. Then again, I'm a football fan. Not just a CFL fan

Enjoy it while you can.

Let me know who wins the AFL Stanley Cup

[Blue In BC]

With a little luck their entire league folds by half time.

[kkc60]

Enjoy it while you can.

Let me know who wins the AFL Stanley Cup

AFL or AAF? You gotta decide which league you're crapping on!

[kkc60]

With a little luck their entire league folds by half time.

Why? So a ton of people can lose their jobs?

I hope the league thrives. Maybe it'll be the kick in the pants the CFL needs to raise salaries and become more player friendly, especially for americans

[Fred C Dobbs]

Good interview with Mike Riley:

https://torontosun.com/sports/football/cfl/barnes-former-blue-bombers-head-coach-mike-riley-joins-yet-another-league

[Knocker42]

Why? So a ton of people can lose their jobs?

I hope the league thrives. Maybe it'll be the kick in the pants the CFL needs to raise salaries and become more player friendly, especially for americans

Any significant salary increases will lead to only one thing unless they can find new revenue sources.  No CFL.  First in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver then the rest.  Nobody wants that so let's hope salary sanity prevails. 

[GOLDMEMBER]

I didn't realize the season was starting this soon.  Now we know why we've seen a lot of Int signings for TC, they're probably falling off the rosters in the AAF...

its a ?spring league? kinda like the Mexicans in baseball😉

[GOLDMEMBER]

Meh. Its football. Arena Football is completely different.

I'm giving it a shot. Then again, I'm a football fan. Not just a CFL fan

me to man! Can?t get enough pro ball. I even liked the XFL....especially the cheerleaders...for a bite lol

[GOLDMEMBER]

Nice plays and couple major hits as well, ouch.

Looks like an Argo game for attendance.

[GOLDMEMBER]

Reminds me of the game scenes for the movie any given Sunday LOL

[lenny]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9N-dNPAGkI

[GOLDMEMBER]

Good showing so far for the CFL, yawn!

The blue Bombers got a tip of the hat in the 3rd quarter because of Reilly and Polian with the Club.

[kkc60]

Good showing so far for the CFL, yawn!

The blue Bombers got a tip of the hat in the 3rd quarter because of Reilly and Polian with the Club.

Yeah no the QB and OL play looks week. 2 of the toughest positions to deal with in the NFL and CFL too so not surprised. Still enjoying it though

[KINGCHARLES]

Good showing so far for the CFL, yawn!

The blue Bombers got a tip of the hat in the 3rd quarter because of Reilly and Polian with the Club.

Your confusing Reilly(QB) and Riley(last Head Coach of a Bomber Grey Cup winner).....its Mike Riley that you want

This football kinda looks like CFL pre-season when backups play

[GOLDMEMBER]

Your confusing Reilly(QB) and Riley(last Head Coach of a Bomber Grey Cup winner).....its Mike Riley that you want

This football kinda looks like CFL pre-season when backups play

right thanks tomato tomaato

Poor football.

[GOLDMEMBER]

Joes VS Joes

[TecnoGenius]

Argh, I missed it.

What was it even on?  I can't find it anywhere in my Shaw listings.  Is it stream-only?  Or am I just missing something?

Anywhere to see a repeat?  That youtube link is already taken down.

When's the next game?

[DM83]

While the initial thought was this was supposed to be a. Minor league for NFL, it may actually train guys who come to Canada, b/c they still won't have the skills needed for the NFL.

All CFL teams are affiliated with a team. Hmmmm., that could work in our favor

[The Zipp]

Argh, I missed it.

What was it even on?  I can't find it anywhere in my Shaw listings.  Is it stream-only?  Or am I just missing something?

Anywhere to see a repeat?  That youtube link is already taken down.

When's the next game?

One of the games was on CBS. 

[VictorRomano]

Argh, I missed it.

What was it even on?  I can't find it anywhere in my Shaw listings.  Is it stream-only?  Or am I just missing something?

Anywhere to see a repeat?  That youtube link is already taken down.

When's the next game?

CBS, Saturday nights at 7:00ish

[Waffler]

Saw part of one game. It looked sloppy and low scoring to me. Did they even play a preseason?  I can't imagine enough Americans will watch to keep it in prime time. I'll give it time to gel though. Early days.

[GOLDMEMBER]

While the initial thought was this was supposed to be a. Minor league for NFL, it may actually train guys who come to Canada, b/c they still won't have the skills needed for the NFL.

All CFL teams are affiliated with a team. Hmmmm., that could work in our favor

I was thinking the same thing. I think it just might help the league was well developing QBs especially. 95% if not more don?t have the talent or whatever to make the NFL so when they are done there what next?

I really cannot see it lasting more than couple seasons max.

[theaardvark]

They played one preseason game (not televised)

Watched the game, m;eh.  First game, so they have a lot to work out.  Sounded like they were having a lot of technical difficulties, especially with sound.  Looks like they want to do a "mic'd up" broadcast like the CFL does, with coaches and QB with live mic's,  Didn't go so well...

Repeatedly pounded the "Backup QB's and Olinemen don't get enough reps in the NFL in practice and none in gametime, so they can come to the AAF and get those reps" or that the AAF is going to be a resource for QB's and Oline, as well as coaches...   I wonder how that makes the rest of the players feel... they are just scout team guys giving the "starters" some game reps...

So, yes, they are a feeder league for the NFL, nothing more.  This is the equivalent to AHL level football, without the commitment that NHL teams make to their "feeder teams" or the players.

As someone else mentioned, no pans of the crowd was reminiscent of an Argos game.  While there were pockets o rabid fans craving big league football, not sure what the crowd size was, did not hear it mentioned...

[theaardvark]

27k in San Antonio, 20k in Orlando

[Blue In BC]

I watched the 1st half and it was very boring. Looked like most pre season games in any league. No chemistry or communication among a bunch of players just getting together.

I kept hearing about this being a development league. I don't know the players contract details but this could suggest an " out " when an NFL opportunity comes up. Essentially 1 year deals?

This would seem to suggest there could be a revolving door on rosters season to season. Bad players will be released. Possibly some decent players will get NFL PR offers although it also seems some players have NFL experience and probably don't have PR time left.

While I don't expect to be a fan, I wouldn't like to see massive roster changes every season.

As far as football goes:

1. Didn't like the no kick off idea. Free catches on punts is bad enough.
2. I did like the eye in the sky being able to correct blatant errors. So why was it necessary for that 1st challenge on a clear drop out of bounds and probably not getting 2nd foot down as well?
3. I did like the shorter time clock between plays. Speeds up the game.

[Blue In BC]

Why? So a ton of people can lose their jobs?

I hope the league thrives. Maybe it'll be the kick in the pants the CFL needs to raise salaries and become more player friendly, especially for americans

The CFL can't raise salaries due to the economics of the business. The ratio means money is spent on the quality Canadians out of proportion to import players that could replace them. It's not a fair employment system, so don't give us this " poor american " player garbage.

[bigbuff33]

Just sayin...games being shown on CBS and the NFL Network...
This league knows what it's doing...

[Jesse]

Just sayin...games being shown on CBS and the NFL Network...
This league knows what it's doing...

They're only trying to exist long enough to be bought out by the NFL. If that doesn't happen, their funds will disappear.

[Blue In BC]

On last night's broadcast I kept hearing about the league as a development league for the NFL. I also heard them mention the roster of one team had nearly all of their players having some NFL experience.

One player had 3 games NFL in 2014. Not sure what he's done since, perhaps PR? In any case that hardly sounds like a guy the NFL will look at again.

A few other players had 3 or 4 seasons with a few games or PR time.

It's early but I foresee large roster changes going into next season as new NFL TC and non drafted players replace some of the older veterans per se.

What will be interesting to see how many actual get NFL TC offers and stick even on PR's. There are bound to be a couple that will get another look but I don't see this as being a large number.

Another interesting fact I saw on the 1st game. They showed current NFL players and which round they were drafted. The single largest group of 551 players were non drafted players.

Goes to show that drafting is not a perfect science even in the NFL.

[the paw]

It will be interesting to see how they play it, if the league lasts.

Fan appeal will dictate hanging on to recognizable players with regional college reputations, taking some experienced guys and looking to win games.

The league's business objective of becoming a developmental league for the NFL will mean more churn on the roster, if a guy hasn't cracked the NFL after a couple of AAF seasons, time to move on to the next youngster in need of development. 

How they balance this dynamic will be interesting to watch.

[Blue In BC]

It will be interesting to see how they play it, if the league lasts.

Fan appeal will dictate hanging on to recognizable players with regional college reputations, taking some experienced guys and looking to win games.

The league's business objective of becoming a developmental league for the NFL will mean more churn on the roster, if a guy hasn't cracked the NFL after a couple of AAF seasons, time to move on to the next youngster in need of development. 

How they balance this dynamic will be interesting to watch.

After the 1st season I'd expect a 30%+ turnover as 2019 NFL TC cuts become available.

[66 Chevelle]

it was said that 81% of current AAF players have 1 or more years experience in the NFL... many/some (many is a relative term) already have NFL futures contracts now... you can be under contract with both leagues without issue in the AAF... I thought the game play was good, especially given the fact that these teams have only had 30 days to practice as a team... I think it would be safe to say that the level of play will only get better...

weekend numbers were strong... Season opener had a 2.9 rating, which exceeded the 2.5 rating there were hoping to have, they beat the head to head comp in the time prime time slot, the NBA, and was second only to the #2 Duke vs. #3 Virginia NCAA hoops games, but not by much...

game attendance was good as well given what I believe was less than aggressive promotion... the league average a little over 20,000 per game with San Antonio having the highest at a little over 27,000

all in all a pretty start, the test will be in the weeks to come to see if they can build on the foundation they've created

[theaardvark]

One of the kickers (maybe both) in the televised game had kicked this year in the NFL, I think one in the playoffs...

8 teams of 56 players = 448 players  =  14 per NFL team.  Most NFL teams have double that number of players with potential on their PR's and prospects lists.

[66 Chevelle]

One of the kickers (maybe both) in the televised game had kicked this year in the NFL, I think one in the playoffs...

8 teams of 56 players = 448 players  =  14 per NFL team.  Most NFL teams have double that number of players with potential on their PR's and prospects lists.

8 teams of 52 players = 416 players or 13 per NFL team... NFL teams are allowed to carry 10 players on their practice roster, or 320 and like the CFL there contracts expire at the end of the season... I don't know the exact number, but I do know that there are several of those PR players currently playing in the AAF...

Moving forward, I can see a trend of quite a few of the previous season's PR players playing in the AAF because it allows them to build a resume and potentially improve their chances of making an NFL active roster... however, there is a finite number of positions available so there will be a limited amount of turn available each year... this, coupled with each new year's crop of NCAA players will assure the AAF they will have more roster stability after year one. The only other factor will be players hitting their PR eligibility limit... but I wouldn't be surprised if the AAF isn't currently playing with as much as 25% of this year's season ending NFL PR players... if nothing else it's $7,000 grant a week minimum in doing so as well as eliminates the need to pay for training for 4 months of the off season as they will work out with their AAF teams...

[buckzumhoff]

Looks like a good league. I like the teams, the coaches. The quarterbacks seem very mobile. Watched one game. But I think as the season goes on will get stronger .  A game people can afford to watch . probably half what it costs to go watch NFL or college.  NFL has left some good cities. I think it's a option vs the NFL.

[Blue In BC]

it was said that 81% of current AAF players have 1 or more years experience in the NFL... many/some (many is a relative term) already have NFL futures contracts now... you can be under contract with both leagues without issue in the AAF... I thought the game play was good, especially given the fact that these teams have only had 30 days to practice as a team... I think it would be safe to say that the level of play will only get better...

weekend numbers were strong... Season opener had a 2.9 rating, which exceeded the 2.5 rating there were hoping to have, they beat the head to head comp in the time prime time slot, the NBA, and was second only to the #2 Duke vs. #3 Virginia NCAA hoops games, but not by much...

game attendance was good as well given what I believe was less than aggressive promotion... the league average a little over 20,000 per game with San Antonio having the highest at a little over 27,000

all in all a pretty start, the test will be in the weeks to come to see if they can build on the foundation they've created

Any idea of how many have futures deals?

I'm expecting a large roster churn this off season. Many will be found wanting and have used their NFL PR time.  What I'd expect to see is more players that don't get drafted in 2019 or are released after go to the AAF to get playing time.

Might even be some that get deals with NFL teams to send PR players they sign to futures from the new batch  of 2019.

Some of the current AAF players have gone through the NFL and probably don't have much chance to return or sustain in the AAF IMO.

There will always be a few hidden gems that get legit shots to make an NFL team.

Season 2 would be more stable IMO than this 1st season. Season 1 was more a matter of finding some bodies and player recognition with fans.

[Jesse]

Well, I'm sitting in a bar (wife playing the VLTs) and watching the Atlanta Legends play the SAN Diego Fleet. Colour me unimpressed if this is the caliber of football being played league wide.

Some of the issues seem obvious. The OL for both teams are awful. The draws and pitches that seem to make up most of the offence are blown up immediately. Guards seems to be pulling g on every play but don't seem to have the athleticism to get ahead of the play. The RBs are unable to showcase any ability (either by blocking or failure of offensive design). The QB play is not there. Matt Simms for Atlanta is doing fairly well, but Phillip Nelson is simply awful.

The TVs are muted, so I can't speak too much to the production value. It looks like any other football game to me - can't hear the announcers (Marvin lewis and MJD were pictured earlier). Though I can't imagine Lewis being an engaging announcer.

Edit:  Can barely tell their uniforms apart! Teams wear white jerseys for a reason.

[TecnoGenius]

I finally got to see some AAF: both TV games on Shaw this weekend.  A few thoughts.

It's ok.  In some ways better than I expected, in some ways worse.  First, it's not completely awful and hopeless as I had guessed.  It feels like college ball.  Many of the players are very young.  Tons of rookie mistakes.  Tons of cheap shots taken by D's.  Tons of dropped balls.  Tons of running, as passing is fruitless.  Fumble/INT city!

I agree that it'll likely improve as the season goes on.  Well, it better!

For anyone who is worrying this league will compete with the CFL for viewers/players, I'd say stop worrying.  The talent level is obviously far lower than CFL.  The coaching talent is lower.  And it all feels very budget.  If I was a player I'd do all I could to stay in the CFL, unless I was an INT on the lowest of low $ tier with no hope of advancement.

Funny, but I can actually see AAF being good for the CFL!  It keeps interest for football going right after the NFL stops, and will keep the interest up going into the CFL start.  I could see more US viewers now looking for football action after AAF and finding the CFL for the first time!  Especially with mentions of CFL teams on occasion.  I hope they do more to mention CFL origins of some players.

The production is very budget.  I've been watching a lot of '80s and '90s CFL games on ESPN Classic lately and the announcing, panel, sideline commentary, and camera work all feels a lot like CFL of yesteryear.  Replays are non-existent, or suck.  I never thought I'd say this, but CFL production is very good and pro in comparison!  To be fair, this may improve too.  It's not horrid, but feels very ad hoc and budget.

The crowds in week 2 that I saw were definitely not 25k.  They looked like BMO in '17 on the non-bench side!  Worse!  Yikes, no one there at all.  Gotta be under 13k.  Maybe in week 1 the crowds were given lots of free tickets or promos or whatever.  Maybe that'll improve too; they'll sure need it to.

I was surprised how few CFL players I saw/heard mentioned.  In both games I only noticed Pittman, and K.Bass.  Nice to see Bass getting work.

Last, the rules are funky.  No kickoff, ok fine.  But I really don't like the forced 2pt convert.  What this means in essence is all TDs are worth 6 (because the O's suck so much at the moment).  This makes for scores that are too similar, and almost always a multiple of 3.  This takes away some of the fun of the math of football.  It makes it so FG pairs are basically as good as TDs.  That extra "free" point (convert) in CFL/NFL makes all the difference in the calculus of football, and AAF doesn't have it.  If it was me, I'd make all TDs worth 7 and force a 1 point pass/run convert from the 3.  I know that's crazy, but it would leave the point calculus sane.

Bottom line, doubt it'll compete with the CFL product (in Canada), but I'll keep PVRing it probably as it's mildly entertaining and I might see more ex-CFLers.  And I like to support the underdog, and this league sure is an underdog.  But scared of losing our decent players to AAF?  Not remotely scared anymore.

Oh ya, the guy is right, shaved ice is the bomb. 

[Fire101]

I saw the highlights from this weekend and attendance looked bad. I don't think Americans are going to pay to attend non-NFL talent, they may watch it on T.V once in a while but that's it. And history is not good for this league, from the XFL, USFL Americans don't support it. They have college football and the NFL, and I think that's a saturated market.

[theaardvark]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2019/02/19/aaf-football-tom-dundon-chairman-investment/2913018002/

Now we know what the 'canes were practicing their celly's for....

NHL owner sweeps in to save football league...

[Fire101]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2019/02/19/aaf-football-tom-dundon-chairman-investment/2913018002/

Now we know what the 'canes were practicing their celly's for....

NHL owner sweeps in to save football league...

Unbelievable, and this only after two weeks in operation.

[ichabod_crane]

They're only trying to exist long enough to be bought out by the NFL. If that doesn't happen, their funds will disappear.

My thoughts exactly. Late winter/spring football will never fly in the USA as proven so many times already.