Bombers need a rebuild the team is going into the toilet.

[Shadow]

Complete overhaul required players and coaches. Over the hill Zac the  glass QB is paid too much and given too much say which is why we have the worst OC in Tommy Condel. Hired because  Zac wanted him. Defensive coordinators need to go as well when your defence gives up 400 yards on the ground shameful paperbag time for blue bomber fans who are the best in the league as this league would not exist without them paying the bills for the fanless teams.

[BlueInCgy]

We needed a rebuild two seasons ago, we just benefited from having the Elks and Stamps suck worse than us.  Now we're going to burn down.  If MOS doesn't make serious moves on the bye he will need to be shown the door.

[dd]

We needed a rebuild two seasons ago, we just benefited from having the Elks and Stamps suck worse than us.  Now we're going to burn down.  If MOS doesn't make serious moves on the bye he will need to be shown the door.

He ll put Jones back at MLB, but other than that, who's he going to put in on our dreadful offensive line!?! Who's going in for injured Kramdi ? We have no one waiting in the wings to start. I just hope brown or Collaros can start, as Elgersma is beyond bad. Not sure why Perkins didn't see the field, there's no way he could have done worse than elgersma, not possible.

[Tecno]

Can't blow it up mid-season unless you want to lose every single other game this season, and probably most of next season too.  That's what Chris Jones did everywhere he went and it was a total disaster for at least 1-2 seasons.

There are a ton of good players worth keeping.

The Dru situation is getting complicated, and I'll post thoughts on the Dru thread.  But when both your #1 and your #2 are glass QBs, then the odds of both being down (like right now) is non-zero, making the whole situation untenable.

I'm going to review footage to confirm, but it appears Stan is toast -- as in worse than Rand or Vant ever were at that position.  If Stan is nicked, Mafia needs to come out RIGHT NOW and admit he's nicked.  If he's healthy, and he's as bad as he appears, then he needs to be put on the 6G this instant and left there until FA when he can retire.  He still gets paid and he surely must realize he can't drag down the entire team & season.

Brady needs to take an instant pay cut to pay for the talent we need to airlift.  When ELC+$10k Horvath gets 200 & 2TDs and you get a crap 100 and 0 TDs and don't get us the yards when it really counts like in the red zone and 4th Q, then you don't deserve Kenny level money, sorry.

Zach needs to take an instant haircut too.  If he can never stay healthy, and the #2 is glass, then we can't ever keep him on the 6G -- because his injuries are transient and nebulous and every duration is discretionary -- so we never reap the 6G SMS savings, costing us dearly.  Maybe if Zach took a $200k haircut like he should he would have some freakin' OL to keep him from getting concussed!!

MOS & Willie are blaming in the post-games the D calls not coming in in time and not being communicated.  Uh, they don't know PAS is loud when D is on?  Newsflash?  So every Horvath run is just that?

No, what is happening is the D all gets very flat to the line on these edge runs and presents basically one layer the carrier needs to get through, and if they get through that and maybe a tiny DB they are home free.  And you're pitting tiny guys like Nichols and Holm and Kelly against raging bulls like Horvath!!  And no one adjusts even one bit after he rips them a new one?

What's most pathetic is our OL minus 1 starter was 10X worse than BC's down 3 starters (after Woodruff left).  Their 3rd & 4th string OL are better than at least half our top starters??  What in blazes is that?

Enough for now... more analysis later.  The sad part is, I'm not shocked we lost, I'm just shocked at how completely pathetically we lost.

[Blue In BC]

Can't blow it up mid-season unless you want to lose every single other game this season, and probably most of next season too.  That's what Chris Jones did everywhere he went and it was a total disaster for at least 1-2 seasons.

There are a ton of good players worth keeping.

The Dru situation is getting complicated, and I'll post thoughts on the Dru thread.  But when both your #1 and your #2 are glass QBs, then the odds of both being down (like right now) is non-zero, making the whole situation untenable.

I'm going to review footage to confirm, but it appears Stan is toast -- as in worse than Rand or Vant ever were at that position.  If Stan is nicked, Mafia needs to come out RIGHT NOW and admit he's nicked.  If he's healthy, and he's as bad as he appears, then he needs to be put on the 6G this instant and left there until FA when he can retire.  He still gets paid and he surely must realize he can't drag down the entire team & season.

Brady needs to take an instant pay cut to pay for the talent we need to airlift.  When ELC+$10k Horvath gets 200 & 2TDs and you get a crap 100 and 0 TDs and don't get us the yards when it really counts like in the red zone and 4th Q, then you don't deserve Kenny level money, sorry.

Zach needs to take an instant haircut too.  If he can never stay healthy, and the #2 is glass, then we can't ever keep him on the 6G -- because his injuries are transient and nebulous and every duration is discretionary -- so we never reap the 6G SMS savings, costing us dearly.  Maybe if Zach took a $200k haircut like he should he would have some freakin' OL to keep him from getting concussed!!

MOS & Willie are blaming in the post-games the D calls not coming in in time and not being communicated.  Uh, they don't know PAS is loud when D is on?  Newsflash?  So every Horvath run is just that?

No, what is happening is the D all gets very flat to the line on these edge runs and presents basically one layer the carrier needs to get through, and if they get through that and maybe a tiny DB they are home free.  And you're pitting tiny guys like Nichols and Holm and Kelly against raging bulls like Horvath!!  And no one adjusts even one bit after he rips them a new one?

What's most pathetic is our OL minus 1 starter was 10X worse than BC's down 3 starters (after Woodruff left).  Their 3rd & 4th string OL are better than at least half our top starters??  What in blazes is that?

Enough for now... more analysis later.  The sad part is, I'm not shocked we lost, I'm just shocked at how completely pathetically we lost.

I'm not opposed to some players taking a pay cut to match their performance levels. That said, where would we spend more SMS room?

[Waffler]

I am going to say no to a blow up for now. We are where Calgary was a couple years ago. They kept Dickenson and turned it around. I would like to see Miller asking both Walters and MOS what they are doing to make this better going forward. Stay the course is not an answer I would want to hear.

Scouting/recruitment needs to be over hauled entirely. Younger needs to be gone. Not all his fault but you have to start somewhere.

[3rdand1.5]

My 2 cents, you could swap player in and out, you could try tweeks or overhauls positionally....you could but on offence Condell is not setting the guys we have up to be successful. On defence it is even worse, we stack the roster defence heavy, import heavy and no one can play consistently. It's not the players it is 100% the scheme....No team that gives up 400 yards rushing against has few bad players, they have incompetent schemes. Full stop

Buck owned JY, he showed up at his school, took his lunch money, his money, his shirt, his pants and his girlfriend and JY couldn't stop him from doing any of it.....it was that bad...

There is no easy fix, but to the public let Hall "help" more, behind the scenes let Hall take over completely.....Save the optics but JY should be done as D coordinator.....Virtually every otherteams OC has schooled him this season....and buck just did it with half a roster and a QB who can't throw.....

[Jesse]

Yeah, kinda.

We spent the money in free agency to bring in all these pieces that were supposed to fix our areas of weakness over the last couple of years, but now we're worse than ever. I never want to over-react or not give respect to the success that this franchise has enjoyed over the past few years, but the downward spiral is evident and getting faster.

The home games have not been enjoyable to watch. The sell out streak is over - and that's during the July games with beautiful weather.

They need to attempt something. Because the status quo is going to get real old, real fast.

[DM83]

We have two great receivers, and three useless sixth option guys.  Kelsey, #83, Cobb, and some other guy, can not play CFL football.
Defensively, Nicolas is scared and never puts his body in an attempt at tackling.

We need an American Slot or wide. We have no speed to threaten anything. Three slow compared to Americans, Canadians, with one reception a game. Our QBs have no one to throw to. Give Denmark a call. Hold an open try out for A,Erica's.

O'Shea?? You looked the most Dow ever. Your defensive coordinator, really he looks really clued out, get Hall back.

Trestman isn't working for anyone? Get him up. Pay him. Get Lapo back. Pay him. O linemen? Stan is done.  If you want to pretend you have a QB that can have success, without escapeability, you are nuts.

When BCs starter comes back, grab this BC 3rd stringer. Or get Ford.

Do something, or get off the field and go back to Ontario.
Get Lamcasters kid. Quit making excuses. Wade what are you paying these guys for. Walter's has been wonderful.

[DM83]

What's the news? Have they cut Younger and Cordell and Stanley and hired Trestman  back and moved Hall back and out of the Old Folls home?  And they honored him last night...get him working again. Adam Bighill, vs.,Younger?,not even a contest.

Please get rid of the 400 yards against man.  Did Younger actually play CFL football? Was he ever concussed?  377 yards rushing against his pop warmer defence. Linebackers and HBs who can't set the edge, would not play high school football in Winnioeg. Set the fricken edge and turn the RB.,  back inside,  where was the contain on that QB., then later on any record setting back.

Wouldn't Brady like to play a Winnipeg defence?

Here's step one. Line up on press coverage take away a pre-snap read, then drop to wherever you want. . Play a "cut" coverage with the corners in the flat. That all Sask, Edm, amd NC had any success doing. We have our corners pre snap aligned at 15! Then they vacant even deeper. Essentially , you and I can throw,successfully to the flat. Guarantee Nichols will be 40 yards down field. He should be moved to safety, or the PITTouch football league.....who am I kidding you have to cover guys, in a passing league.

What gets me, is this is a passing league, where if you cover the flats, Fajardo, and the back up in Toronto don't win.  It's killing me. The kid from Deons. Coaching place, isn't successful. Secondly, if the corner is in the flat, and the scrambler from BC now has that corner from the flat sitting. In ancient times,one of either the Outside LB had the back out of the backfield and the middle came over to the vacated  spot.  It's 2026. Backs or rolling out QBs will kill A linebacker when they get outside.  So we are seeing a defensive conscept that is so old it's literally ********. It didn't work then, amd watching this 50 year old. Idea is again so old and inappropriate in 2000, it's unbelievable.  Younger, where and when are you coming from?

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I am going to say no to a blow up for now. We are where Calgary was a couple years ago. They kept Dickenson and turned it around. I would like to see Miller asking both Walters and MOS what they are doing to make this better going forward. Stay the course is not an answer I would want to hear.

Scouting/recruitment needs to be over hauled entirely. Younger needs to be gone. Not all his fault but you have to start somewhere.

Agree it's not a lack of talent, they've brought in a lot of very good players in the last 3 years and have almost completely overhauled the old team.  The 2 co-ords are not doing their job and require immediate direction/correction from above.  Hopefully the coaching staff takes the time to resolve these matters over the bye week and comes back with a new apporach.

On Bonfire After Dark, Zach proposed that Condell set Brady up for failure last night for badmouthing his offence last week.  I had the same suspicion based on the interview Condell did last week, after all Brady is threatening his job so he has the right to be combative and defensive when attacked, but all in all it's very bad for the team dynamic.  Brady thinks he can get yards in any situation, but we all know if the opponent suspects he's getting the ball on every play they can easily shut him down.  Condell did this at least 3 times in the redzone last night, putting the burden on Brady to get the ball in the endzone when that was the obvious play and settling for 3 pts. instead of 6.

O'Shea needs to quash this feud if real and Brady needs to keep his pie hole shut from now on, no one player is above the team.