Bombers short passing game

[TecnoGenius]

Another issue is we don't have recievers/ backs that make that first guy miss, ie Philpot, our rbd tend to be north south

Ya, but as OP noted, when the ball arrives the D is usually already at the REC to tackle him before he takes even 2 steps.  That's timing, scheme and blocking issues.

We also don't seem to catch D's off-kilter.  They always sniff the screens out.  At least a couple should catch them off guard!

[Jesse]

Clercius is usually the outside receiver so he isn't as effective  positioned to help out blocking, I don't really want to see Schoen doing any of that heavy inside blocking either, although he probably would try. 

I lot of these short passes we're talking about are screens. Demski (for example) running along the line of scrimmage towards the outside and Clercius running back trying to block the DB so Demski can run free, but we've had trouble breaking through that first later of the D leading to many 1-2 yard gains.

And people are saying we're using the short passes as a running gaem, but we wouldn't be happy if our back was averaging 1-2 yards a carry either ( which was incidentally what Patterson was averaging through 3 quarters. He only had 7 yards at the start of the 4th).

[The Zipp]

Hogan and team have some improvement to do...the trend(ish) - 2 games in a row is the start of a trend of really no offensive production in the 3rd is not good.  It is still only game 3 for the team so they get the opportunity to improve but it has to get better.

You can't take an entire quarter of pro football off offensively and expect to win against good teams.  Zach says it was execution - its always a combo of plays called and what is done on the field.

we are in a full on trend now - 3 games in a row when the offense just disappears for a quarter.  it couldn't be hidden this past game.  Hogan is on the hook - this is what you get hiring a rookie to coordinate a pro level game. 

the wins and explosion plays have masked the problem in the past 2 games. 

[Blue In BC]

We need the run game to be effective. Getting behind early took away that option early. When that happens there is less defensive focus on the LOS and more players in coverage.

[blue_or_die]

We need the run game to be effective. Getting behind early took away that option early. When that happens there is less defensive focus on the LOS and more players in coverage.

It is perplexing then that we couldn't make short yardage plays work (run or pass) very well either. Or medium. Offense was a failure all around last night.

If their secondary blanketed our long game, I expect our RBs and slots to be able to pound it for first downs. None of that happened.

[Waffler]

Ya, but as OP noted, when the ball arrives the D is usually already at the REC to tackle him before he takes even 2 steps.  That's timing, scheme and blocking issues.

We also don't seem to catch D's off-kilter.  They always sniff the screens out.  At least a couple should catch them off guard!

Or because the ball sails allowing the D to play off and react once it is thrown? Sometimes it just feels it's in the air forever.

[Jesse]

It is perplexing then that we couldn't make short yardage plays work (run or pass) very well either. Or medium. Offense was a failure all around last night.

If their secondary blanketed our long game, I expect our RBs and slots to be able to pound it for first downs. None of that happened.

It did work in that first drive, but then a bunch of stuff happened and they keyed in on Brady and we obviously started throwing the ball more (I think Zach had 48 attempts before getting pulled) but were still just trying to dink and dunk.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Or because the ball sails allowing the D to play off and react once it is thrown? Sometimes it just feels it's in the air forever.

Especially on those long sideline passes, Clercius caught 10 balls but he only gained 17 in YAC because he was pushed out as soon as the ball arrived.  It was only a matter of time till they picked that pass off.

[Blue In BC]

I think the 2 pic 6's were into the wind and took just a second too long to let go. The Stamps defence read it well and we paid the price. As I've mentioned, getting behind and away from the run game, didn't help. Collaros has to take some of the heat for the throws but there was blame to go around IMO.

We did end up with 400 yards of offence but those two players were difference makers in score and momentum.

I might add we don't know what the play calls were on either. Obviously we didn't go deep very often. Whether that was progressions against the Stamp defence or actual play calling which seemed conservative, make your own opinion.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I think the 2 pic 6's were into the wind and took just a second too long to let go. The Stamps defence read it well and we paid the price. As I've mentioned, getting behind and away from the run game, didn't help. Collaros has to take some of the heat for the throws but there was blame to go around IMO.

We did end up with 400 yards of offence but those two players were difference makers in score and momentum.

I might add we don't know what the play calls were on either. Obviously we didn't go deep very often. Whether that was progressions against the Stamp defence or actual play calling which seemed conservative, make your own opinion.

Super meaningless stat when they couldn't get the ball into the endzone until garbage time, everything they took, the Stamps gave to them.

[Blue In BC]

Super meaningless stat when they couldn't get the ball into the endzone until garbage time, everything they took, the Stamps gave to them.

The point being that our play calling would have been different if we were not fighting from behind so early. We would have used the run game more which opens up the passing game and vice versa. We became one dimensional early on.

We were down 29 - 6 at half time. That changes everything on our offensive game calling and for the Stamps defensive strategy.

[TecnoGenius]

The point being that our play calling would have been different if we were not fighting from behind so early. We would have used the run game more which opens up the passing game and vice versa. We became one dimensional early on.

We were down 29 - 6 at half time. That changes everything on our offensive game calling and for the Stamps defensive strategy.

We had 2 legit non-garbage time chances to get 2 more TDs probably.  The obvious one at halftime is kinda inexcusable since we had 2 chances and guys were open.  Then the Schoen drop in the middle on the mid-pass was looking to be a decent drive, I like to think a likely score too.

We get the 1 before the half, and then one in the 3rd, and the whole complexion changes.  Down 2 scores at halftime we can still run our game.  Down 3+ scores and it's harder.

The problem is they were shutting down everything until garbage time (which was basically most of the 3rd and all the 4th).  And our D shut down nothing (until 3+ scores and "conservative O").

[TecnoGenius]

we are in a full on trend now - 3 games in a row when the offense just disappears for a quarter.  it couldn't be hidden this past game.  Hogan is on the hook - this is what you get hiring a rookie to coordinate a pro level game. 

the wins and explosion plays have masked the problem in the past 2 games.

A quarter?  The last game the O was missing for 90% of the game.  The other games were more balanced.

I wouldn't say the explosions masked anything in games 1-3.  We were also pretty good on the run/short/mid game at times.  I'm pretty happy with the balance in the wins.

[DM83]

Wr screen, wide receiver screen, repeat.

That was pretty weak.
We seemed to have a few unready players. Zac was horrible. Has he lost the zip in his Ball?
What happened to the O line? Who were those guys?

If Biggie doesn't dress for Calgary, maybe we should bring him in.  Even if he can't get to sideline to sideline, he can **** sure stuff it between the tackles.  Man that was embarrassing watching that long run STRAIT UP THE MIDDLE.

And a note to that great defensive coordinator.....maybe get out of "man" on the occasional play, and I don't mean third down.

Did Willie play?  Again for what seems like every game, did he register never mind a sack, how about a tackle?  We need players who want it?  I did not think our D-line, or LBs had much of an impact on stopping Calgary. Other than that we played really good! Lol!

Sorry, just concerned!  When our coaches don't understand that Vernon isn't a patient man reading zone coverages, we play to his strength and play man defense.

He killed us didn't he.