Veterans who face a tough training camp challenge

Started by bwiser, May 09, 2023, 11:38:51 PM

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Horseman

I think Agudosi will end up on the 6 game too start the season, his injury isn't fully healed (wink, wink). I cannot see the Bombers placing him on the PR after the game he had last year, someone would just pick him off our PR (cough, Chris Jones, cough). As far a Neufeld is concerned, he is safe, as he can play all OL positions, including Center.

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Quote from: Horseman on May 10, 2023, 09:36:34 PM
I think Agudosi will end up on the 6 game too start the season, his injury isn't fully healed (wink, wink). I cannot see the Bombers placing him on the PR after the game he had last year, someone would just pick him off our PR (cough, Chris Jones, cough). As far a Neufeld is concerned, he is safe, as he can play all OL positions, including Center.

The catch with the 6 game IR is that he can't practice. He's on an ELC so he could just go on 1 game IR. That's if he looks good in TC and doesn't re-injure.
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Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on May 10, 2023, 01:18:00 PM
Veterans (or at least players who played last year) who need to have good camps or could be in trouble of outright release (might be bubble players depending how they show up to camp):
Kyrie Wilson
Marc Legghio
Winston Rose
Carlton Agudosi
Evan Holm

Veterans (or at least players who played last year) who have serious competition for their starting spot:
Chris Kolankowski
Pat Neufeld
Rasheed Bailey
Jackson Jeffcoat


All those vets make it (last three as starters) imo but a week or so into camp see what new studs can do.

Rose will rebound if healthy, same with Wilson.  Leggs will make it (few bumps along the way).  I think Holm.could develop into at least a good backup.

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Quote from: Horseman on May 10, 2023, 09:36:34 PM
I think Agudosi will end up on the 6 game too start the season, his injury isn't fully healed (wink, wink). I cannot see the Bombers placing him on the PR after the game he had last year, someone would just pick him off our PR (cough, Chris Jones, cough). As far a Neufeld is concerned, he is safe, as he can play all OL positions, including Center.

Yep, the Lawler signing threw a spanner in the works, it knocks Agudosi and Bolo down a notch and I don't think either  would accept a PR assignment at this point in their career, nor should they when they could start for almost any other team in the league.  It could also put them in a jam to retain Schoen next season, I don't think they'll have the funds to pay two top-end receivers at the going rate.  An early season injury to a receiver may be a blessing in disguise, as long as it's not too serious.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on May 10, 2023, 01:18:00 PM
Veterans (or at least players who played last year) who have serious competition for their starting spot:
Chris Kolankowski
Pat Neufeld
Rasheed Bailey
Jackson Jeffcoat

I think Ko-man is part of our long-term future.  I'm not sure we let him walk unless he becomes too expensive a la Couture / Desjar.  I don't see who can displace him.

Dobson is still the dev/#6 guy.  And don't sleep on Eli, but he's not a starting G at the moment: he's the insurance and could have a bright future.

Jeffcoat is as good as Willie.  There, I said it.  It wasn't true in '19, but it's true now.  He's as much a disruptor as Willie.  The only way Jeffcoat gets cut is if he keeps having his injury problems.  If I'm a QB, I'm fearing Jeffcoat.  Willie will sneak around and force a fumble but Jeffcoat will maim you.  All Jeffcoat needs is to go to the Willie how-to-not-get-hurt clinic.  Willie is like a cat, he always falls gracefully and never gets injured.

If we were ever dumb enough to cut a healthy Jeffcoat I can guarantee you Pinball and TOR would hire him the next day.
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NewBlue

Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 11, 2023, 06:03:59 AM
I think Ko-man is part of our long-term future.  I'm not sure we let him walk unless he becomes too expensive a la Couture / Desjar.  I don't see who can displace him.

Dobson is still the dev/#6 guy.  And don't sleep on Eli, but he's not a starting G at the moment: he's the insurance and could have a bright future.

Jeffcoat is as good as Willie.  There, I said it.  It wasn't true in '19, but it's true now.  He's as much a disruptor as Willie.  The only way Jeffcoat gets cut is if he keeps having his injury problems.  If I'm a QB, I'm fearing Jeffcoat.  Willie will sneak around and force a fumble but Jeffcoat will maim you.  All Jeffcoat needs is to go to the Willie how-to-not-get-hurt clinic.  Willie is like a cat, he always falls gracefully and never gets injured.

If we were ever dumb enough to cut a healthy Jeffcoat I can guarantee you Pinball and TOR would hire him the next day.


I think Eli is more the insurance at C than he is at G.  He was touted as one of the best C's in College. It'll likely take him some time to get back into game shape, so he could likely start on PR

Sir Blue and Gold

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Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 11, 2023, 06:03:59 AM
I think Ko-man is part of our long-term future.  I'm not sure we let him walk unless he becomes too expensive a la Couture / Desjar.  I don't see who can displace him.

Dobson is still the dev/#6 guy.  And don't sleep on Eli, but he's not a starting G at the moment: he's the insurance and could have a bright future.

Jeffcoat is as good as Willie.  There, I said it.  It wasn't true in '19, but it's true now.  He's as much a disruptor as Willie.  The only way Jeffcoat gets cut is if he keeps having his injury problems.  If I'm a QB, I'm fearing Jeffcoat.  Willie will sneak around and force a fumble but Jeffcoat will maim you.  All Jeffcoat needs is to go to the Willie how-to-not-get-hurt clinic.  Willie is like a cat, he always falls gracefully and never gets injured.

If we were ever dumb enough to cut a healthy Jeffcoat I can guarantee you Pinball and TOR would hire him the next day.


Asotui Eli is a natural centre and is why I put Chris Kolankowski on the serious competition list -- he's not a guard. Eli has the better pedigree, is way more naturally talented but has also been out of the game a full season. If he's in shape and ready it could be an easy decision, if not, he may need more time but if healthy he's going to win the starting spot eventually, in my opinion.

You may say Jeffcoat is a good as Jefferson but that is incorrect. By any measure, Jefferson is the better player. That doesn't mean Jeffcoat is bad, he's a great player - when healthy - but he hasn't been healthy since 2021 and contemplated retirement this off-season. He gets hurt again in TC or early in the season and it's hard to see him surviving especially if his replacement can perform half decently. You could make the argument that had we found a decent import DE last year he wouldn't even be at camp this year.

Dobson is a development guy until he's not. I think fairly highly of him and he's had enough seasoning to play. Whether he outright beats someone in camp (Neufeld probably, if that scenario plays out, probably somewhat unlikely) or he takes over after an injury is anyone's guess but I think he's a starter one way or another very soon.


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Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 11, 2023, 06:03:59 AM
If I'm a QB, I'm fearing Jeffcoat.  Willie will sneak around and force a fumble but Jeffcoat will maim you.

As I see it too. Jefferson makes plays but doesn't put you out of the game. Jeffcoat will.
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